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Arm a splotchy after delt injection...

THeMaCHinE

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Hey,

Did my first delt injection on Tuesday night. Was a little shakey, but all was sterile. Put 1 cc of a combo deca/test product (400/375) in. Shot went smoothly. Pain afterwards is mild.

Late last night/early this morning, I noticed that a large pink area (2" x 3") had appeared about 2"-3" below the injection site (just above bi/tris) on outside of arm. The area is sore, but not overly painful, there are not any lumps. I'd compare it to less than primo pain.

It is mildly warm to the touch, but doesn't hurt to touch. I am not running a fever.

I've been told that this is normal with a delt injection with test and to just wait it out. Question is: does anybody else get this with delts and how long does it last? Does it sound like anything to worry about?

I have searched the archives, and it seems it might be OK, but I don't want to overlook it if I should be getting on antibiotics (which I don't want to do, but will if I have to).

If it's just a delt thing, I'm hitting glutes next time around... lol...
 
well, is the outer part of the pink area darker, like outlined??? sorry your having problems bro!!! there's a chance it could be ring worm, but who knows...maybe you had a reaction to what your using...
 
Sounds like an infection to me. Classic signs. Go see a doctor. Tell him some bullshit story about accidentally sticking yourself with a sewing needle while sewing up a hole in your sleeve and have him look at it. If you catch it early enough, a little amoxicilin will knock it right out. If you wait and it turns out to be a staph infection, you're in deep shit.

BTW, staph is a coccis bacteria that is small enough to make it through a 0.45 micron filter. If you are using a home brew and filtered it in your kitchen, odds are you have a staph infection. You will also need a 0.2 micron filter to sterilize your injection solution. Baking it may not do the trick as staph forms spores that can withstand 200 deg.

A friend of mine is going through this exact same thing with his test prop. His infection was confirmed as staph.

-Spidey
 
troybday said:
well, is the outer part of the pink area darker, like outlined??? sorry your having problems bro!!! there's a chance it could be ring worm, but who knows...maybe you had a reaction to what your using...

I don't think ring worm -- I'm thinking reaction, 400 mg deca + 375 mg test in 1 ml is a lot of substance... The whole area is light pink, no outline...
 
Spidey said:
Sounds like an infection to me. Classic signs. Go see a doctor. Tell him some bullshit story about accidentally sticking yourself with a sewing needle while sewing up a hole in your sleeve and have him look at it. If you catch it early enough, a little amoxicilin will knock it right out. If you wait and it turns out to be a staph infection, you're in deep shit.

BTW, staph is a coccis bacteria that is small enough to make it through a 0.45 micron filter. If you are using a home brew and filtered it in your kitchen, odds are you have a staph infection. You will also need a 0.2 micron filter to sterilize your injection solution. Baking it may not do the trick as staph forms spores that can withstand 200 deg.

A friend of mine is going through this exact same thing with his test prop. His infection was confirmed as staph.

-Spidey

Not taking in home brew, taking in BL supps -- which generally have a pretty good reputation for sterility... Like I said though, my hand was a little shakey (would that matter if all was sterile?)

I don't think I'll need to go to a doctor, I can probably get hold of a Z-pack if I need it...

It's not hot to the touch (only slightly warm), it's not dark in color (pinkish), it's not at the injection site, I'm not running a ferver or feeling unwell -- you really think it could be an infection? Not a reaction to the deca and test (400/375)... Maybe I should go on an antibiotic just in case... If I decide to watch it, what should I look for?
 
THeMaCHinE said:


I don't think ring worm -- I'm thinking reaction, 400 mg deca + 375 mg test in 1 ml is a lot of substance... The whole area is light pink, no outline...

I dont get it.
How did you get 400mg deca+375 test in 1 ml?:confused:
 
gilly6993 said:
Wait a day or two and see if it resolves......

That's kind of where I'm at... It doesn't hurt or anything, I don't want to be paranoid and overreacting about it -- but I don't want to be stupid about it either...

I've heard a lot of guys say they won't put test in their delts... is this why?
 
Don't put yourself on an antibiotic....you don't have any systemic symptoms.....I would look for swelling, increased reddening, and a fever......those are signs of an infection.
 
Canuck4 said:


I dont get it.
How did you get 400mg deca+375 test in 1 ml?:confused:

If I talk too much about it, this thread will vanish -- as have all my other threads on the company that makes the products.

Kehoe, SofaGeorge and a few others might be able to elucidate as to the science of how it's done. Honestly, I don't remember off the top of my head. I had it in a post awhile back from the chemist responsible, but that thread has vanished...
 
gilly6993 said:
Don't put yourself on an antibiotic....you don't have any systemic symptoms.....I would look for swelling, increased reddening, and a fever......those are signs of an infection.

That's what I'll look for -- just afraid that if I get a fever I won't be able to discern whether the fever is caused by an infection or if it's test-flu. No swelling at this point...
 
THeMaCHinE said:


If I talk too much about it, this thread will vanish -- as have all my other threads on the company that makes the products.

Kehoe, SofaGeorge and a few others might be able to elucidate as to the science of how it's done. Honestly, I don't remember off the top of my head. I had it in a post awhile back from the chemist responsible, but that thread has vanished...

So in other words from an underground lab or home brew stuff?
I know it cant be human grade.
 
THeMaCHinE said:


Not taking in home brew, taking in BL supps -- which generally have a pretty good reputation for sterility... Like I said though, my hand was a little shakey (would that matter if all was sterile?)

I don't think I'll need to go to a doctor, I can probably get hold of a Z-pack if I need it...

It's not hot to the touch (only slightly warm), it's not dark in color (pinkish), it's not at the injection site, I'm not running a ferver or feeling unwell -- you really think it could be an infection? Not a reaction to the deca and test (400/375)... Maybe I should go on an antibiotic just in case... If I decide to watch it, what should I look for?
My friend wasn't running a fever either. Just a red splotch at the injection site that was warm to the touch. He developed a fever a few days later.

I wouldn't start using antibiotics before you know for sure. Just keep an eye on it. If you get even a low grade fever, GO TO THE DOCTOR. Again, just tell him some made up story about how you poked yourself and have him look at it. Better safe than sorry and you don't have to admit to using gear or otherwise incriminate yourself to do it.

Maybe I'm a little paranoid now. My friend was using gear that he and I made up. I am supposed to start using it on Tuesday. I re-sterilized it but I'm still a little worried. Staph can be serious.

-Spidey
 
Canuck4 said:


So in other words from an underground lab or home brew stuff?
I know it cant be human grade.

It is from an underground lab, but as I understand it, they have top-notch folks and produce very good human-grade gear... I've heard this from more than a few vets...
 
THeMaCHinE said:


It is from an underground lab, but as I understand it, they have top-notch folks and produce very good human-grade gear... I've heard this from more than a few vets...

Thats cool.
But how do you know if their products are sterile?
If it ends up beeing an infection then you'll know for sure.
 
Spidey said:
My friend wasn't running a fever either. Just a red splotch at the injection site that was warm to the touch. He developed a fever a few days later.

I wouldn't start using antibiotics before you know for sure. Just keep an eye on it. If you get even a low grade fever, GO TO THE DOCTOR. Again, just tell him some made up story about how you poked yourself and have him look at it. Better safe than sorry and you don't have to admit to using gear or otherwise incriminate yourself to do it.

Maybe I'm a little paranoid now. My friend was using gear that he and I made up. I am supposed to start using it on Tuesday. I re-sterilized it but I'm still a little worried. Staph can be serious.

-Spidey

I'm with you man, way better safe than sorry! One point, the splotch isn't at the injection side, it's about 3" below the injection site... Yeah, I've heard horror stories about staph... not to be taken lightly. I already figured I'd tell the doc (if I have to see one) that I did a B-12 injection. I should be able to get some antibiotics without a visit though.
 
THeMaCHinE said:


I'm with you man, way better safe than sorry! One point, the splotch isn't at the injection side, it's about 3" below the injection site... Yeah, I've heard horror stories about staph... not to be taken lightly. I already figured I'd tell the doc (if I have to see one) that I did a B-12 injection. I should be able to get some antibiotics without a visit though.
Below the injection site, huh...That's odd. I would take that as a good sign. If the injection caused an infection, I would think the injection site itself would be inflamed. I'm not sure what would cause an offset reaction like that. maybe the gear leaked along the muscle facia and caused a minor inflammation that way. Anyway, just keep an eye out for increased redness, swelling, or a fever. If it is an infection, one or more of those symptoms are sure to follow. Don't let it worry you too much. In the worst case scenario you'll have to take some IV antibiotics and continue oral antibiotics for 10 days. Maybe it's nothing but a little local inflammation. A couple of days will tell the story. Keep us up to date. Good Luck.

-Spidey
 
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Canuck4 said:



If it ends up beeing an infection then you'll know for sure.

Very true. I sure hope not though. My gut tells me that it's a reaction to the high-dosage gear in that particular location. Not ever having shot anything in that location clouds the waters too...

Question though, if it is an infection, would a less than stable hand somehow contribute to an infection, even if the site and pin were sterile? (was my first delt shot, I didn't murder it, but aspirating was a bitch and I moved around a little).
 
Spidey said:
Below the injection site, huh...That's odd. I would take that as a good sign. Maybe it's nothing but a little local inflammation. A couple of days will tell the story. Keep us up to date. Good Luck.

-Spidey

I hear about this happening, but mostly with quad shots. I will keep a running commentary. I still think the gear is good at this point...

P.S. I enjoyed a separate post you had about aromatase inhibitors, caused me to take a second look at how I wanted to use Ldex in this cycle...
 
THeMaCHinE said:


Very true. I sure hope not though. My gut tells me that it's a reaction to the high-dosage gear in that particular location. Not ever having shot anything in that location clouds the waters too...

Question though, if it is an infection, would a less than stable hand somehow contribute to an infection, even if the site and pin were sterile? (was my first delt shot, I didn't murder it, but aspirating was a bitch and I moved around a little).
No, that shouldn't matter. I move around in my delts a lot too. Aspirating with one hand is difficult. I've never had an infection yet.

-Spidey
 
Spidey said:
No, that shouldn't matter. I move around in my delts a lot too. Aspirating with one hand is difficult. I've never had an infection yet.

-Spidey

Good to know, I can rule that option out then if it does come out to be an infection.
 
I am no expert on these matters, however, I am fairly certain that it is not possible to suspend 775mg of stuff in only 1 cc using currently practiced methods. The only way I can think this is possible is using the new solvents discussed in another new thread I just read. Even so, 775 mg/ml sounds very fishy to me. Are you sure you really know whats in your gear?
 
ccorah said:
I am no expert on these matters, however, I am fairly certain that it is not possible to suspend 775mg of stuff in only 1 cc using currently practiced methods. The only way I can think this is possible is using the new solvents discussed in another new thread I just read. Even so, 775 mg/ml sounds very fishy to me. Are you sure you really know whats in your gear?

From the lab:

THE EVOLUTION OF THE HIGHER DOSAGE GEAR

Contrary to the popular belief and the majority opinion surrounding the idea that only a certain mg dosage of gear can be dissolved within a specific ml of carrier oil is, in fact, a fallacy. A fallacy due to the absence of products and support from our major steroid manufacturers which then in turn laid the path for foundationless opinions and theories stemming from this lack of presence. The reason for this absence can certainly be accredited to the typical stationary position of most corporations to stay within the norm of their specific business community. In this case the steroid community, the veterinary community, and the chemical community are the entities that put forth the opinions and products from which they derive their guidelines from. Realistically, how many veterinarian's do you think would request Nandrolone Decanoate at 400mg/ml? Not too many, I hope. Maybe if you wanted a 300lb Rottweiller. Hmmm. I think not.

Adding to this idea, where does it say how much gear can be placed in carrier oil? Where do these people construe such false ideas from? Just because no one was or is attempting these miraculous feats, does not mean that it cannot be done. Unfortunately, many people like to make up there own idea's as to what can and cannot be done when there is no explanation within the majority opinion. Maybe for their own self-indulgence, maybe to sound like they know what they are talking about, I am unsure. However, I am here to tell you different.

It is very simple really. Placing 400mg of Nandrolone Decanoate into 1ml of carrier oil requires the same work as 200mg/ml. Gear with low melting points have a terrific chance of dissolving and staying dissolved within a specific oil BECAUSE of their melting low_points and the fact that they are oil based and not solely because of their dissolvability. Yes dissolvability has a tiny bit to do with it, but not as much as one might think. The gear we are talking about is OIL based which that means when it melts and is in liquid form, it is considered an oil. So, in most cases, anyway, an oil will dissolve in another oil. Let me ask you this, if you mixed soy bean oil and motor oil together, how much soy bean oil do you think would dissolve in the motor oil? Ha, it is a trick question and the answer is, as much as you want. Both, oil based gear and carrier oil, are both considered to have like similarities as far as their liquid consistency is concerned, which is oily. Just as gear crashes or solidifies out of the carrier oil, either the motor oil or the soy bean oil would crash out if the temperatures were brought low enough. Furthermore, let's say you did get the temperature down low enough to freeze soy bean oil; the result would look very similar to crashed gear.

The problem then, occurs when a materials melting point is high; hence, the solidifying point is high. Or, simply, it will solidify at higher temperatures. Therefore, at your typical room temperature a specific gear with a higher solidifying point will crash easier than a lower solidifying gear. Specifically, the higher the mg dosage per ml of higher solidifying gear the better chance of crashing. Some examples of gear that fit this profile are: Nandrolone Phenylpropionate, Testosterone Phenylpropionate and Testosterone Propionate.

And just the opposite with such materials as nandrolone decanote, testosterone decanoate, testosterone enanthate, whose solidifying point is very low. These materials therefore have a much better chance of staying in liquid form at room temperature.

You may visit: XXXXXXXX for details on certain chemicals, however, the site does not provide info on solidifying points, only melting points. As a general rule of thumb, however, a high melting point, defines a high solidifying point.

So, you see, it is not so much about dissolvability as it is about solidifying points. However, dissolvability does come into play when higher dosages come into play. Again, depending on the material, higher dosage could mean 100mg for Testosterone Propionate, however, may mean 400mg for Nandrolone Decanoate. The higher the dosage or the more active material you use, the less amount of carrier oil you have to use. Therefore, the less amount of material in its solid form will stay dissolved. Yes, the material may be oil-based; however, with no oil to insulate it from the cooling temperatures, it will crash at VERY high dosages.

Example: Using Nandrolone Decanoate and placing four grams of this material per 10ml vial approximately 4ml of that vial is carrier oil. The rest is the active material in its liquid/oil form, in this case Nandrolone Decanoate. However, if we go further, and use 6 grams of active per 10ml vial, we would probably use no more than 1ml of carrier oil, and this is where the dissolvability issue comes into play. Where there is not enough carrier oil to support the solidifying active material, hence, you get the 'crashing' effect.

This explanation wasn't even needed. I would simply like to say, and it is as easy as this: making high dosages is SIMPLY a matter of doing it, nothing more. The job consists of easily placing the active material into a carrier oil, heating gently until all the material melts, and then to wait and see if it crashes.
 
Update: The area has lightened up somewhat, and is not as warm to the touch; arm is still sore, but less so. I'm going to hit a lunch workout today and see how it goes. At this point, I'm inclined to think it was a reaction to putting that high amount of test and deca in the delt -- not a problem with the gear itself. May be to early to completely rule out an infection, but I think it's going in a positive direction.

Assuming this clears up, I'll do the next shot in the glutes on Tuesday and see how that goes.
 
THeMaCHinE said:
Update: The area has lightened up somewhat, and is not as warm to the touch; arm is still sore, but less so. I'm going to hit a lunch workout today and see how it goes. At this point, I'm inclined to think it was a reaction to putting that high amount of test and deca in the delt -- not a problem with the gear itself. May be to early to completely rule out an infection, but I think it's going in a positive direction.

Assuming this clears up, I'll do the next shot in the glutes on Tuesday and see how that goes.

why were you hesitant to see the doc? I tell my doc everything and it costs only $15 a visit, although I did ask him straight up before we discussed roids not to put on file for insurance purposes, and he agreed.
 
PatBateman said:


why were you hesitant to see the doc? I tell my doc everything and it costs only $15 a visit, although I did ask him straight up before we discussed roids not to put on file for insurance purposes, and he agreed.

Well, it had only been a day, I had heard of similar injections in which it had just been a reaction to the gear (not an infection), there was no lump, the redness wasn't at the injection site, I wasn't carrying a fever and I had talked to a vet that had a similar experience with delt injections which turned out to be just a reaction that faded.

I would be the first to go see a doctor if it was getting bad, but I just didn't want to jump the gun. Partially because my family is known in the medical community around here, so my visit would likely get back to people I don't want it to get back to. Also, I have ready access to antibiotics, dosage instructions on how to use them from a doctor, so I could start them very quickly if any bad symptoms surfaced...which is all a doctor would do (unless I let it get to a bad point where it needed to be drained/etc. -- which I never would).
 
ok, that sounds better, glad to hear you're doing better. Also, you might consider finding a doc that doesn't have any assoc. with your family. He cannot legally say anything to anyone, but I can see how you might be concerned about seeing nurses, other patients who might say something even though they are not supposed to. Looks like a sticky situation for you.
 
PatBateman said:
ok, that sounds better, glad to hear you're doing better. Also, you might consider finding a doc that doesn't have any assoc. with your family. He cannot legally say anything to anyone, but I can see how you might be concerned about seeing nurses, other patients who might say something even though they are not supposed to. Looks like a sticky situation for you.

Well if it came down to it, I would definitely go (my health is important to me) -- just don't want to jump the gun. I'm not out of the woods yet, but I think I'll be OK. Another day or two will tell...

I've got Lorabid on hand and can get a Z-pack if I need it...
 
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