Are Gains from Steroids only Temporary?

[bigbassturd]

i love the guys who make vlogs on youtube giving steroid advice and they 1. look like average weekend warriors and 2. have run 1 cycle in their life but now are experts. and then you have teens watch it and think that advice is correct so they follow it. sheesh.

looks like criminal took down all his vids, maybe he read this thread? oh well.

Good. Might save some highschool kid from a lifetime of endocrine problems. That shit is dangerous to have on the net, so many kids will think it's ok because he pretends to know what he's doing and they won't research before it's too late.

Personally, I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who looks to be made out of spaghetti noodles and #2 pencils, but kids are stupid...

 

[bonacris]

I didn't find his deadlift video I just found one where he was talking rubbish about hcg.. still wanted to punch him..

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[bigbassturd]

The only thing I have ever heard him say that I agreed with, was during a little spiel where he was talking about how he was considering blasting and cruising indefinitely, and he was trying to justify why that might be ok for someone his age and size (seriously)... at some point he says 'i don't really want kids, and to be honest this world would probably be better off if I didn't have children'

I have never heard a statement more true

 

[Rockwilder]

Good. Might save some highschool kid from a lifetime of endocrine problems. That shit is dangerous to have on the net, so many kids will think it's ok because he pretends to know what he's doing and they won't research before it's too late.

Personally, I wouldn't want anything to do with someone who looks to be made out of spaghetti noodles and #2 pencils, but kids are stupid...

I've seen his videos, and that's the first thing I was thinking as well. He's talking about injecting and taking Tren like it's some simple, elementary thing to do. Could definitely influence someone negatively, and we would hear from that person at some point on the forums asking what is PCT, and why they lost their gains, feel like shit...should they go on TRT, etc.

Good news is...not too many people are watching this clown's videos lol! I'm with Bonacris...honestly, I thought the whole thing was a joke.

 

[Rockwilder]

Fuck you stevemi.. I just watch one of his videos.. he's a fucking tool.. wanted to punch my screen

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You made me laugh bro lol. As sad as it is...

 

[bonacris]

I've seen his videos, and that's the first thing I was thinking as well. He's talking about injecting and taking Tren like it's some simple, elementary thing to do. Could definitely influence someone negatively, and we would hear from that person at some point on the forums asking what is PCT, and why they lost their gains, feel like shit...should they go on TRT, etc.

Good news is...not too many people are watching this clown's videos lol! I'm with Bonacris...honestly, I thought the whole thing was a joke.

Unfortunately he's just another in a long line of people who glorify steroid use and make it seem like there are no consequences.. look at videos of that zyzz moron.. endless comments from people saying he's an inspiration.. the guy didn't use AAS, he abused them. He also took coke, clen and prob that other shit that I won't mention because it could get me banned.. and no he's dead in his early 20's..

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[louisiana]

I have seen many at the gym go on a cycle, increase their muscle mass considerably, only to lose it all once they go off cycle and they were using proper PCT.

I have tried a couple of cycles over the years and have experienced similar results; if you wait long enough you return to normal. The only thing that may have improved is that it broke me through plateaus to help me continue to grow a bit naturally.

Talking with a few elite trainers that used to be heavy weight bodybuilders, they say you can't keep anything and anabolics only induce hypertrophy while on cycle.

So my question is, is there any point using anabolic steroids for permanent muscle

 

[bogenjager]

When you come off of cycle, you won't be able yo maintain the same strength, hardness, and fullness that you did on cycle with sky high hormones. Normal range of test just can't compete with 10 times that.....that much is true.

However, a well planned PCT and good diet/training can allow you to recover quickly and retain most of the strength and muscle gained on cycle.

Cycling will always be two steps forward, and one step back. That is just part of the game.

That is a good response thanks. I realize there is a minimum time between cycles, but is there a typical maximum time to take between cycles to keep progressing? For example if I did one 10 week cycle every year, is that too long to wait between cycles?

 

[bigbassturd]

No, and don't fool yourself into thinking you have to be on cycle to make gains or progress....

 

[tony1354142]

I have seen many at the gym go on a cycle, increase their muscle mass considerably, only to lose it all once they go off cycle and they were using proper PCT.
I have tried a couple of cycles over the years and have experienced similar results; if you wait long enough you return to normal. The only thing that may have improved is that it broke me through plateaus to help me continue to grow a bit naturally.

Talking with a few elite trainers that used to be heavy weight bodybuilders, they say you can't keep anything and anabolics only induce hypertrophy while on cycle.

So my question is, is there any point using anabolic steroids for permanent muscle gain?

For me is was poor pct. Most likely anyone who seems to lose it all, had a poor choice of pct. I thought I was doing everything for pct correctly and was way off. So when someone tells u they did pct correctly, how do u really know. And as far as what to use in it and how much generally depends on which compounds and how long you run your cycle.

If you want to know a proper pct, research and look around this site. There are some knowledgeable people here and they are willing to help. Or learn the hard way like I did. It sux tho bro ugh....(two steps forward, one step back) perfect