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I was taking 3iu ed for about 2months but the swelling and joint pain was out of control. Shoulders, wrists and knees were the worst, it got so bad I couldn't bench I had to drop to 2iu 5days on 2 days off I am feeling better but still have some swelling. Is this type of thing normal and will it subside? At such low doeses will it even be effective?
 
Some people get worse sides than others. I've never had too much of a problem except for hand and arm numbness.
 
"I've been told--and will test theory and update you, but if sides/pain start to immediately go back to low dose---2iu for 5 on/2 off---and then every 2 weeks, up it .5iu....this lets the body get accustomed to it and will tolerate it much better making the sides stay subsided...." I will be trying this and hopefully all the research is correct:
Good Luck bro...
 
JCMC said:
I was taking 3iu ed for about 2months but the swelling and joint pain was out of control. Shoulders, wrists and knees were the worst, it got so bad I couldn't bench I had to drop to 2iu 5days on 2 days off I am feeling better but still have some swelling. Is this type of thing normal and will it subside? At such low doeses will it even be effective?

I'm having the same prob right now bro. I'm gonna try 2.5i.u.'s/day to see if it helps any.
 
GeneticFreak18 said:
now i heard it was best before you go to bed....interesting

SUPPOSEDLY.........before bed interferes(sp?) with your natural production. GH is secreted at night in the early stages of sleep. thats why you do it early...so by the time you crash alot of it is gone and you still get a second jolt from your natural source.
 
I take 18 i.u.'s per day when ON a cycle of GH (Serostim)...I use Bact. Water though, instead of the BS that comes with the 07 day (126 I.u.) kit....The ONLY sides I get, are when I eat TOO many carbs...then I get turgor and swell up bad, and ache a LOT! :(
 
Excidium28 said:
Could any of these bad sides have anything to do with GH Kit? Are some better quality than others?


Oh, another good point that I forgot to mention......First of all, you absolutely want to mix with BACT water, rather than the crap that comes with it...>Bact water is made with .9% alcohol to keep the GH bacteria free....Also, heard from an experienced fella, that it works great to Mix 2ml of Bact water instead of the usual 1ml to alleviate the majority of SIDES!!!!

Hope it helps....
 
will b huge said:
Oh, another good point that I forgot to mention......First of all, you absolutely want to mix with BACT water, rather than the crap that comes with it...>Bact water is made with .9% alcohol to keep the GH bacteria free....Also, heard from an experienced fella, that it works great to Mix 2ml of Bact water instead of the usual 1ml to alleviate the majority of SIDES!!!!

Hope it helps....


interesting....good info
 
I'll try my next vial with 2ml. Sounds like it is worth trying it.

The changes with GH, skin, fat loss etc. are they permanent or like everything else temporary ???
 
You keep most of the solid gains, but of course will get fat, etc., if you go off of your diet and GH...

the reason the bact. water works so well, is because it is closer to the climate of your system (and hence is NOT a shock to it, i.e., PAIN), as opposed to the foreign, regular water that comes with the kits...
 
will b huge said:
Also, heard from an experienced fella, that it works great to Mix 2ml of Bact water instead of the usual 1ml to alleviate the majority of SIDES!!!!

Hope it helps....


OK, been thinking about this.............it makes no sense. You are taking the same dose either way. Thats like taking 1cc at 300mg\cc or 2cc at 150mg\cc. You get the same amount of chemical each way.

Just my $.02
 
Difference between Bact Water and sterile is only in regards to bacteria growing after a period of time...

Here:
What we choose to reconstitute it with should depend on how rapidly we use the GH. Bacteriostatic water is basically sterile water with 0.9% Benzyl Alcohol added, and this Alcohol keeps anything from growing in the water, thus making it safe for injection for the longest amount of time, up to three weeks. If the amount of GH in our vial is enough to last for a few weeks at our desired daily dosage, BW is the wisest choice. For the common use for bodybuilding (2-5 IU's a day) and the more commonly used vial size (10 IU's), it isn't really as critical which of the above listed dilutents are used......the vial will be used up long before bacteria or anything begins to grow in our reconstituted HGH. It is really personal preference outside of the considerations listed above
 
wetback said:
OK, been thinking about this.............it makes no sense. You are taking the same dose either way. Thats like taking 1cc at 300mg\cc or 2cc at 150mg\cc. You get the same amount of chemical each way.

Just my $.02

Yes, absolutely will get the same amount of HGH---However, it will be diluted
much more spreading it out with the addition of another mL................I have read about this and then saw Ed2005 post it a few times as well.....He said he had terrible sides and adding the extra mL of bact water helped alleviate them.......(Just thought I would pass that along)......
 
JCMC said:
I was taking 3iu ed for about 2months but the swelling and joint pain was out of control. Shoulders, wrists and knees were the worst, it got so bad I couldn't bench I had to drop to 2iu 5days on 2 days off I am feeling better but still have some swelling. Is this type of thing normal and will it subside? At such low doeses will it even be effective?

I am taking what is considered a very low dosage as part of an HRT program: 1.25 iu M/W/F.

When I first started, I'd get tired a bit and maybe a little nausa. That's all gone now.

Now I'm gaining weight and strength. Old cronic injuries are healing up. My fingernails and toenails are growing like crazy ... All indications of cell growth.
 
bloopsnlate said:
Do you use bacteria water with all types of hgh to dilute? I'm confused on when you use the bacteria water?

thanks

In a nutshell, yes... As Will described above it is the only water to use with any type of GH.... If you dilute the powder with 2mls instead of 1ml you will not effect the strength of the reconstituted mxture but will aleviate the sides by weakening the absorbsion rate.. It does work. Also lethargy is a major side and I found that by administering the GH 30 mins to 1 hour before my workout actually helped with this problem as by the time it was making it's pass through the liver I was in full workout mode which was followed by my PWO shake and then I was ready for a rest anyway.
Ed
 
I have the same sides swollen hands/feet some soreness in my joints and feet but i'm kind of glad i have the regular sides, at least you know it's real GH! oh that's at just over 3IU/day. on my 4th week
 
lrg&inCHARGE said:
I have the same sides swollen hands/feet some soreness in my joints and feet but i'm kind of glad i have the regular sides, at least you know it's real GH! oh that's at just over 3IU/day. on my 4th week

To be honest, the tricks above will only aleviate the sides they will not take them all away, totally. I'm almost through my fifth month of my current GH cycle and still have 'uncomfortable' feelings in my knuckles, fingers and right forearm. I'm also only on 3ius 5/2 or 6/1 dependent on the week. The only side I found really bad was the initial tiredness but the 'tricks' sorted that one out and definately reduced the problem substantially. The transformation of my body on this dose has been outstanding but bear in mind I'm now in my mid forty's.
Cheers
Ed
 
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