My self don't laugh I like tornell just as much hahaha really I just finished T300 and 500 mgs SUS and it was nothing great, the reason I say Tornell is I took only 2 to 3 cc and felt a kick unlike the TTK 300 so thats my 0.2 cents Oh I forgot one thing TTK didn't make me lose as much hair as Tornell did last cycle .