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[MattTheSkywalker]

May,

What's with the personal shit? Doing a cycle now? If you are serious and not being a joker, this should be PM stuff. If you're kidding...well....hee hee....it's hard to tell here. Either way I couldn't care less. But for reasons explained shortly in this post, I'll humor you:

I am a mod here because for a long time I dispensed quality and helpful advice about the acquisition and use of anabolic steroids and related topics. I was doing this long before your arrival here.

The chat board is where I go to exercise my weaker brain cells. Your posts seem to provide them with a nice little workout. Thank you. How's court reporting school?

 

[Milhouse]

The same shit happens in Canada with the young offenders. I was reading about those boys today in the Toronto Sun and they had a mass murder here years ago by a teen.

Now he is let out oo and get this if he does anything again the records are sealed on his previous crime, which means he can kill somone and they can't even bring up in court that he did it before.

They have to start hanging or executing people publicly again to send a message. And humiltate them first by before doing it, that will make people think a bit.

 

[KAYNE]

THE TWO KIDS WERE RELEASED AND GIVEN NEW IDENTITIES!!! PRETTY FUCKED UP HUH!!! THE GOVT. IS ACTUALLY PROTECTING THEM.

 

[Burning_Inside]

It would be hard to find statements more hypocritical and contradictory than these.

What's your point? Being human is to be hypocritical, there's no 2 ways around it. It's all dependant on personal situation. Me, not being any way connected o the murderee, can see it from the compassionate humanitarian point of view, and think non biased. So I'd want to not be an archaic stone age monkey about the whole thing and try and find a peaceful means to the situation, and try to help rather than destroy. That's why i'm all for helping the disturbed. However, if it was me who was related to that person, of COURSE you're going to want revenge, it's like a death of a part of you prsonally. Then the compassionate side wouldn't really come around, wouldn't you say? Wouldn't you'd say that's natural considering the circumstances? Wouldn't you say that's just instinct?

Now it's people like yourself, people who see it from the outside, and even still don't show the compassionate side, but show the hateful vengeful side, that turns my stomach, and makes this world such shit to live in. It's just that sort of attitude. If only you could see yourself from another person's point of view. You're the same type of people who bitch and moan about why this world is filled with such assholes anymore, yadda yadda, and so on and so forth. It's becuse attitudes like yours abound. Look in the mirror and see the problem for yourself.

Look, I mean, You're trying to make your arguement of it being a-ok that another person should have to die in response of another death seem like the right one by trying to use the truth, and something I already know, against me. Silly.

Just look at how you see it..Those kids killed a person,(which is of course wrong, and wrong in your eyes, correct?) all thought out and planned like. Not any type of revenge killing or anything. So, because of this, you want to kill them(something that is wrong of course, and definately wrong in your eyes, or else you wouldn't be complaining.) Kind of a paradoxical situation, huh?

Tsk tsk, how hypocritical.

 

[thefantom1]

The boys that did this were 10 years old at the time...I do not feel that they should be put to death...however..by being incarcerated for 8 years is not nearly enough...the little boy they killed was 2 years old.... 2 years old... for someone that is this sadistic at the age of 10 will not be able to be helped by any doctor...they only thing we can do as a society is to protect ourselves from them and people like them...Mark my words...one or both of those 2 boys will kill or try to kill again...........

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

First: I didn't call YOU hypocritical. I referred to your statements as hypocritical. I don't know you. And you don't know me. Still you make pronouncements about me as if you do....your posts tire me with that tripe...why do you do that?

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Most of your post was good reading. So I respond:

Me, not being any way connected o the murderee, can see it from the compassionate humanitarian point of view, and think non biased.

To be human is to be biased. I suspect you are as biased as I am, in the opposite direction.

However, if it was me who was related to that person, of COURSE you're going to want revenge, it's like a death of a part of you prsonally. Then the compassionate side wouldn't really come around, wouldn't you say? Wouldn't you'd say that's natural considering the circumstances? Wouldn't you say that's just instinct?

I think that yes it is instinct to want revenge if you are connected to the people. But I think that whenever someone does something like this, it is offensive to any sense of societal structure.

Now it's people like yourself, people who see it from the outside, and even still don't show the compassionate side, but show the hateful vengeful side, that turns my stomach, and makes this world such shit to live in. It's just that sort of attitude. If only you could see yourself from another person's point of view. You're the same type of people who bitch and moan about why this world is filled with such assholes anymore, yadda yadda, and so on and so forth. It's becuse attitudes like yours abound. Look in the mirror and see the problem for yourself.

Yep that's me, the root of society's problems. I kinda like living here actually. If your experiences in this world are shitty I am sorry for that.

Just look at how you see it..Those kids killed a person,(which is of course wrong, and wrong in your eyes, correct?) all thought out and planned like. Not any type of revenge killing or anything. So, because of this, you want to kill them(something that is wrong of course, and definately wrong in your eyes, or else you wouldn't be complaining.) Kind of a paradoxical situation, huh?

Tsk tsk, how hypocritical.

You're reciting an age-old argument against the death penalty. That argument assumes that all killing is equally wrong, equally unjustifiable, from there it flows that the murder of the vicitm is equal to the execution of the criminal, and as such those who support execution are hypocrites.

Well, let's see how paradoxical it is. All killing is not equally wrong, (even outside of war). Few condemn self-defense killing. Few condemn the homeowner that kills a burgar. These homicides are generally acceptable to society because the person killed was violating the order by which we as a society has agreed to live.

My argument is that the perpetrators removed from a person from society without cause except their own perversions. I do not view killing someone as absoluetly wrong. Some conditions allow it to be acceptable. As such, they have committed a crime against our society (as humans) and have shown that they lack the ability to act within the structure that the rest of us have agreed on.

Due to this crime against humanity (according to my view) we remove them from society permanently through execution. So one hand we have the causeless killing of the vicitm, and on the other hand we have the execution of a criminal who has already demonstrated that he doesn't belong here.

Those killings are different.

 

[Rex]

Revenge = OK.

I believe revenge is ok. Why? Because in order for revenge to take place there must have been an initial damage done to me or my family done by the person I'm seeking revenge against. Therefore justifying it to me. As long as the punishment fits the crime. (Keep in mind I'm talking about major stuff.)

I don't hurt people or their families, and would like to think that noone would hurt me or my family. Unfortunatly I live in the real world and have come to know the pain of seeing my family hurt by people. Anyone who has had this misfortune should know its not pleasant. And to allow their pain go unpunished is, in my mind, shallow. If someone hurts me or my family, I want revenge. Now when I want revenge I take things into consideration; the punishment must fit the crime.

All this talk about helping them and understanding their conditions gets on my nerves. I am not repsonsible for others' actions. They are. I am not responsible for their short-comings in life. They are. My responsibility is to live my life the best I can, do my part in helping take care of my family, and, in time, raise a family of my own.

 

[Burning_Inside]

Matt, bottom line is, if this big huge happy society that you say everyone has agreed upon is founded upon the teachings of the ten commandments, and christianity, like most of the modern world is today, being that most all laws in the world follow the rule of Christianity, then no killing is right. Even the judges who act like god up there in their thrones passing off death sentences have no right. They're ordering people to death in the name of their god, the same god that says thou shalt not kill! Hah!.Haha. Gotta love that, almost as bad as the pro lifers killing people. Anyway, the rule is, you kill, you go to hell, in this grand society of yours. end of story, there's no sub clause or anything citing specifics.

However, this mass society that you speak of, the one that "everyone" agreed upon, doesn't exist. If it did, every culture, and everyone within every culture would think the same way, but we don't. It's just the popular culture. just because it's popular doesn't make it right. just because it's popular doesn't mean it's well thought out. Not everyone wants to follow the popular rule.

A death is a death. Rules are the rules. It's just plain out wrong. Even if you did it out of revenge, it's wrong. Might have seemed right at the time, and you know, to you, it still probably would be right, and it always will seem right, but it's just plain wrong. if it wasn't wrong to do so, well, hey you wouldn't be having laws against it right? You wouldn't be pissed at those kids right? I guess you'd also say some rapes would be justified too? Or some burglaries? Or some whatever and evers?Yes, killing is an instinct, but in this magical society you speak of, it's still not right. Harming others isn't right, unless it's necessary, killing someone is never necessary to prove a point, I'm sorry, i don't care what the situation is to make someone think it warrants a death to make everything right again. Maybe way back when we were cavemen, I guess it was considered right, because hell, we didn't know any better, we were pretty animalistic, we weren't ahem, civilized as we were today.

I think that yes it is instinct to want revenge if you are connected to the people. But I think that whenever someone does something like this, it is offensive to any sense of societal structure.

Still, what does a society gain from attempting to right a wrong with a wrong, and offing more of its own? What does it prove? Is it going to scare a killer into not wanting to kill? No. Will attempting to help the person with drugs or whatever to set him straight? Most likely. So why treat the problem with something you KNOW doesn't work?

How would you like it if just for some weird reason your DNA just decided to one day spazz out and fuck up your brain chemicals and turned you into a crazed psycho and you went on a killing spree? "but I wasn't in my right frame of mind, it wasn't "me" doing it!" So all the people that think like yourself damn you to hell and put you to death, instead of helping you become "you" again. Nice right?

Anyway, whatever, you can think how you want, and I'll think how I do, nothing anyone ever says will make the other one think differently.

 

[danielson]

i dont think tghey should be killed as they are just kids,....something seems wrong about that. BUT, from what ive heard all they would have to do is sound remorseful and they ould be released, and will now lead lives like nothing had happened. what they went through was hardly that ,much of a punishment, they were separated from friends and family (which couldnt have been that bad considering the father bough them a copy of childsplay at like 10 or something) BUT were let oput very once in a while to watch football games.....wtf!! these kids murdered a 4year old by chucking bricks at him.

i think that they should have one of theose electronic shackles on them and that they wear them for at least another few years, that opught to remind them. and any violent misconduct and i think that they shopuld be back in jail.

 

[WODIN]

The world was a better place when the brits where cutting peoples heads off and sticking them on post outside the gates of the Tower of London. These two should join in that grandest of british traditions.