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Anyone know what kind of cycles the pros did in the 70's?

HardHat87

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I was reading an article in muscle mag today about the use of clomid. Anyway they said that the bb's back then didnt use pct because there was none. I did know this but then it went on to talk about that people could be getting too much estrogen from the clomid/nolva, and end up crashing when pct stops. But anyway, it then says that the average gym guy after a year of training decides to use steroids, and starts with a cycle that is more than what frank zane used. I have heard both sided opinons on this, some saying they used a lot more than they claimed, others say they did not use much(compared to todays cycles). I want to know what they were doing and not using pct. Anyone read any facts about their cycles etc.?
 
Yes i followed their routine for years, it was based upon the pyramid principle start low build up peak for a few weeks cycle down until you came off, there was no crash doing it that way.
The most popular substances back then were , Test, Deca,primo,Dbol,Winstrol at least those were the most readily available.

I still do this routine from time to time.


RADAR
 
In 1985 Tom Platz said he used 1.4 grams per week. I did 4-5 cycles in the '80s and never did pct once....never lost a lb either.
 
Typical late 70's early 80s pro cycle......Bulking
Fina 700-1000mg week
Test (cyp,enanth) 1500-2500 week or suspension 1400mg a week
d-bols 100-120mg a day
anavar 50-70mg a day
deca 1000mg or eq at 1200mg
or drol at 150-200mg a day
Cutting
winstrol 700mg a week
halotestin 50mg a day
primo 700mg a week
propionate 1200-1400mg a week
suspesion the last week before a contest at 1200-1400.
Eq at 1000mg and or primo at 700mg was used as a bridge

Some bodybuilders began to use Non-synthetic gh in the early 80's
Without Gh the Classic Arnold, Frank Zane, Franco Colombo, dave draper, and my personal favorite scott wilson physiques took place. The doses from a pro will scare somebody, I've heard of jay cutler using 3500mg of a test a week and lee priest using 250mg a day of drol
 
Typical late 70's early 80s pro cycle......Bulking
Fina 700-1000mg week
Test (cyp,enanth) 1500-2500 week or suspension 1400mg a week
d-bols 100-120mg a day
anavar 50-70mg a day
deca 1000mg or eq at 1200mg
or drol at 150-200mg a day
Cutting
winstrol 700mg a week
halotestin 50mg a day
primo 700mg a week
propionate 1200-1400mg a week
suspesion the last week before a contest at 1200-1400.
Eq at 1000mg and or primo at 700mg was used as a bridge

Some bodybuilders began to use Non-synthetic gh in the early 80's
Without Gh the Classic Arnold, Frank Zane, Franco Colombo, dave draper, and my personal favorite scott wilson physiques took place. The doses from a pro will scare somebody, I've heard of jay cutler using 3500mg of a test a week and lee priest using 250mg a day of drol along with colemans 24-28iu a day of gh abuse
 
I read an article in a dutch magazine, and it said that Steve Michalik used HCG and clomid. He also used DNP (called hexalon at the time) and of course the full range of steroids. 600 mg of anadrol/day was an example of what he used.

A sensationalized story is here:

http://www.bodybuildingfanatic.com/stevemichalik.htm

STEROIDS: A HORROR STORY
We would like to convey Steve Michalik's struggle with steroids, to highlight the side effects that go along with taking these and associated drugs. This article is based on a story by Paul Solotaroff, in Sunday Magazine October 25 1998.
"Steve Michalik only wanted two things. He wanted to walk on stage at New York's Beacon Theatre on November 15, 1986, professional body-building's Night of Champions, and just turn the joint out with his 120kg of ripped , Stripped and shrink wrapped muscle. And then he wanted to die." From age 11 Michalik was obsessed with getting big and finding out what made people big. He had gone to the extreme of buying monkey skulls, cracking them open and drinking the hormone enriched fluid that came from the hypothalamus. It wasn't long after he started taking steroids in 1972 that he was addicted. Steve took a cocktail of up to 14 different drugs, including speed to get through his workouts and downers so he could get some sleep. He took Halotestin, which caused constant erections, and fertility drugs for women to produce more testosterone. "There was always more drugs and more side effects and more drugs for the side effects."

He was huge but his body was slowly giving in, at one stage his blood pressure was 240/110 (recommended level is 120/80). He was bleeding from everywhere, his gums, kidneys, colon, and sinuses. He started getting migraines that required his son to pack his skull in ice to relieve the pain. His joints had turned to jelly, and worst of all his muscles went soft, no matter how hard he worked. It got to the point where in one contest he collapsed on stage in convulsions, almost dying.

He decided to stop taking the steroids. His testosterone level plummeted, a blood test revealed he had the levels of a 12-year old girl. His sperm count went to zero, he didn't get an erection in over 2 years, all the oestrogen in his body turned his pecs into breasts. His kidneys began to fail, his hair turned grey and skin hung off him. He came across a detox program that saved his life. It involved an hour of running then five hours in a sauna, for a minimum of 21 days. This leeched all the poisons out of his fat cells where they'd sit until they slowly killed him.

Michalek recovered to become an anti-steroid campaigner. He now teaches weight training to senior citizens, and tours gyms warning teenagers about his nightmare through steroid abuse. "There is no such thing as good drugs, only bad drugs and sick bastards who want to sell them to you."
 
RADAR said:
Yes i followed their routine for years, it was based upon the pyramid principle start low build up peak for a few weeks cycle down until you came off, there was no crash doing it that way.
The most popular substances back then were , Test, Deca,primo,Dbol,Winstrol at least those were the most readily available.

I still do this routine from time to time.


RADAR

Could you give an example cycle with the pyramid principal? On a 10 week cycle how much of a taper each week, Thanks.
 
they would do this:
1 1000mg test
100 of anadrol
2 1000mg of test
150 of anadrol
3 1500mg test
200 anadrol
4 1500mg test
150 anadrol
5 2000mg test
100 anadrol
6 2500mg test
winstol 400 mg
7 2000mg test
winstol 500 mg
8 2000mg test
winstol 600 mg
9 1500mg of test
winstrol 500mg
10 1000 mg test
winstrol

simple example, they add alot more drugs in this manner
 
Bigdogmikey said:
they would do this:
1 1000mg test
100 of anadrol
2 1000mg of test
150 of anadrol
3 1500mg test
200 anadrol
4 1500mg test
150 anadrol
5 2000mg test
100 anadrol
6 2500mg test
winstol 400 mg
7 2000mg test
winstol 500 mg
8 2000mg test
winstol 600 mg
9 1500mg of test
winstrol 500mg
10 1000 mg test
winstrol

simple example, they add alot more drugs in this manner

no, they didn't use anything even remotely close to that.
 
EQ was not available back then, neither was fina!


I'm 53 and i know.

RADAR
 
poantrex said:
Fina was available then....as finaject and finajet (france) and parabolan

Finaject came around in the '80s, not '70s. I used it myself in 1985 or so....man, that was good sh*t.
 
Vectork39 said:
since when was fina called parabolan

Parabolan is tren ent. It used to be produced in France by Negma. It's out of production and has been for about 10 years, but now there are UG Tren ent. Most users today used tren acetate. Higher availability.
 
Dial_tone said:
no, they didn't use anything even remotely close to that.

Dialtone, did they use more or less in your opinion? Like I said I have heard that they used not that much, and they used a lot.

It is also interesting to see who is right and wrong about what was available back then. I am 26 so I have no idea. Thanks for the replies!
 
HardHat87 said:
Dialtone, did they use more or less in your opinion? Like I said I have heard that they used not that much, and they used a lot.

It is also interesting to see who is right and wrong about what was available back then. I am 26 so I have no idea. Thanks for the replies!

I'm sure there are some abberations but for the most part they used much less. I would bet on average pros in the '70's used less than your typical 1.5gram/week weekend warriors.
 
Bigdogmikey said:
Typical late 70's early 80s pro cycle......Bulking
Fina 700-1000mg week
Test (cyp,enanth) 1500-2500 week or suspension 1400mg a week
d-bols 100-120mg a day
anavar 50-70mg a day
deca 1000mg or eq at 1200mg
or drol at 150-200mg a day
Cutting
winstrol 700mg a week
halotestin 50mg a day
primo 700mg a week
propionate 1200-1400mg a week
suspesion the last week before a contest at 1200-1400.
Eq at 1000mg and or primo at 700mg was used as a bridge


this is all pulled dirctly out of his arse, pay it no mind. EQ didnt exist, and fina didnt until later either. That should speak for its credibility.
 
Credibility???? listen i know more about juice and I look better then you ever will in your life, remember that. my body is my credability. eq dident exist is rite, fina was in the 80's i got confused. So why dont you tell me what you know
 
Bigdogmikey said:
Radar your right about eq, I was wrong, but finaject was used in the early 80's



Yes, but finaject was not around my area, as i said i sure ceriain guys had their "own thing" they kept to them selves.so i wasn't aware of it!BTW! We are discussing gear used in the 70's

Alot of us never used the amounts like some do today.
 
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Guvna said:
this is all pulled dirctly out of his arse, pay it no mind. EQ didnt exist, and fina didnt until later either. That should speak for its credibility.



Ok! people this is just for discussion.lets keep it civil!

RADAR
 
johnny g said:
LOL, This thread is interesting. I have never read so much Bs in my life.



It was not available in the 70's you were still in diapers anyway.

RADAR
 
In the 70's, when all this were legal... of course they used alot more because they diden't know that it were dangerous...you got it from you'r doctor right?
 
Bigdogmikey said:
Credibility???? listen i know more about juice and I look better then you ever will in your life, remember that. my body is my credability. eq dident exist is rite, fina was in the 80's i got confused. So why dont you tell me what you know


You wrote down a bunch of useless numbers without even looking at them or thinking. It is advice and conjectures like the ones you said that start rumors and can hurt people.

I'm done with you. Have a great day.
 
Funny thing happened this week. I was watching the movie Stalag 17, made in 1953. There was a scene where the POW's were betting on rats racing. One of the rats in the race was named Equipoise....made me wonder where that word came from.
 
Bigdogmikey said:
Typical late 70's early 80s pro cycle......Bulking
Fina 700-1000mg week
Test (cyp,enanth) 1500-2500 week or suspension 1400mg a week
d-bols 100-120mg a day
anavar 50-70mg a day
deca 1000mg or eq at 1200mg
or drol at 150-200mg a day
Cutting
winstrol 700mg a week
halotestin 50mg a day
primo 700mg a week
propionate 1200-1400mg a week
suspesion the last week before a contest at 1200-1400.
Eq at 1000mg and or primo at 700mg was used as a bridge

Some bodybuilders began to use Non-synthetic gh in the early 80's
Without Gh the Classic Arnold, Frank Zane, Franco Colombo, dave draper, and my personal favorite scott wilson physiques took place. The doses from a pro will scare somebody, I've heard of jay cutler using 3500mg of a test a week and lee priest using 250mg a day of drol

Funny,
from what I know fina at that dosage would fuck you up good!! I can't even begin to immagine what that quantity of tren acetate would do to your kidneys/blood pressure!
Even for EQ, the recommended dosage never exceeds 700mg/week!
 
Personally I've run fina( tren acetate) at 100mg/day without any problems. That's 700mg/week and I know plenty of guys can handle more than I can. Granted, i doubt guys back then took THAT much of everything, but 700/week of fina is certainly possible without BP or kidney problems, hell the only problem I had was massive pumps and looking way too damn good.
 
Bigdogmikey said:
Credibility???? listen i know more about juice and I look better then you ever will in your life, remember that. my body is my credability. eq dident exist is rite, fina was in the 80's i got confused. So why dont you tell me what you know


well i have to see your pics then. there is none in your gallery. did you post them somewhere? just curious to what kind of build you have....it must be incredible :eek2:
 
lefler said:
well i have to see your pics then. there is none in your gallery. did you post them somewhere? just curious to what kind of build you have....it must be incredible :eek2:

I think thats the dude from the 2000mgs of Test thread. He's like 5-10 250, LOL. I told him he should go for his IFBB Card ;)
 
Sorry about getting pissed before but guys you have to understand in the 70's they did alot of shit, i mean when you under a doctors supervision its much safer. These numbers are not out of the ball park... I have a friend who has his pro card, he bridges a cycle with 1000-1200 mg of eq, and 700mg of primo. honestly these are the doseages that alot of middle/heavyweight amatures are doing at least in NYC. This is not some shit I pulled out of my ass, but a couple of things I read in the underground steroid handbook.
 
I know what your saying bor. I act like some sort of Chad Nicholls around my area. People look at me like Im weird when I have dudes run an 8weeker of NPP/Prop at normal doses (75mg/day).
I had one dude run Dbol/Dex and he was shocked what it did to him. Everyone told him he would lose it all, LMAO

Bigdogmikey said:
Sorry about getting pissed before but guys you have to understand in the 70's they did alot of shit, i mean when you under a doctors supervision its much safer. These numbers are not out of the ball park... I have a friend who has his pro card, he bridges a cycle with 1000-1200 mg of eq, and 700mg of primo. honestly these are the doseages that alot of middle/heavyweight amatures are doing at least in NYC. This is not some shit I pulled out of my ass, but a couple of things I read in the underground steroid handbook.
 
My new cycle is 200mg of test for 12 weeks, 700mg of tren for 8 weeks, 25 mg of halo for 4 weeks, along with a year of gh at 4-5ius a day
 
Bigdogmikey said:
My new cycle is 200mg of test for 12 weeks, 700mg of tren for 8 weeks, 25 mg of halo for 4 weeks, along with a year of gh at 4-5ius a day

200 or 2000??? :evil:
 
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