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Anyone have problems with "Roid Rage".

KINGKONG69

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Now i know not everyone gets it, but im one of them guys who gets a really short fuse while on test. my last cycle was over a year and a half ago. it was:
t-400 800mgs a week
fina- dont remeber, average dose
dbol-40mgs a day

after 4 weeks, my gains where through the roof, but i was having extreme mood swings. i could be a saint one minute, then a real a$$hole the next. i mean i broke my hand punchin my girlfriends car when she really pissed me off. i stoped my cycle that day.

now its well over a year later, and im ready to start doin some easy cycles again, my next cycle im gonna start soon is just a simple 400mgs EQ for 8 weeks, along with 40mgs Dbol for the first 6 weeks.

Is there any kind of Med i could get from the doctor to help me out with the bad moods, and wont make me a puss in the gym. i need to be able to still get aggressive in the gym you know.
 
I am an aggressive person anywya, but add the test. WOW!! I can control myself but I get very very aggressive. I would feel sorry if I ever unleashed a test asswippin on someone. lol
 
Yeah I have alot of problems with roid rage, no matter how hard that I try to get mad enough to kill, I never quite get there, bummer.:(
 
depending on what i use...fina and high amounts of test are hard to control at times...halos should only be used by people of a passive nature to begin with to say the least, they put me in a zoned out state, hard to focus...high amounts of clen I find can make you frustrated with people and your environment at which the pace it going at...you want to go 100mph all the time...everyone is different i realise, this is how it effects me though...I found that at times where I have a hard time, I take a "St. John's Wort", which you can buy at a health store or pharmacy...it just relaxes you, and you really do notice a difference...OR roll up a spliff and smoke that "purple sticky punge" that we canadians are so proud of!!!
 
JungleRizla said:
depending on what i use...fina and high amounts of test are hard to control at times...halos should only be used by people of a passive nature to begin with to say the least, they put me in a zoned out state, hard to focus...high amounts of clen I find can make you frustrated with people and your environment at which the pace it going at...you want to go 100mph all the time...everyone is different i realise, this is how it effects me though...I found that at times where I have a hard time, I take a "St. John's Wort", which you can buy at a health store or pharmacy...it just relaxes you, and you really do notice a difference...OR roll up a spliff and smoke that "purple sticky punge" that we canadians are so proud of!!!

I can't be in public on Clen. I had the worst mood and always felt hot and irritated. Whenever I get hot, I always get irritated. Add in a couple people and I get claustrophobic, makes me want to tear peoples head off like a gorilla in a cage being poked at with sticks. :redhot:
 
alot of people say its a myth, but thats BS. increased aggression on gear is a fact. especially if you are aggressive off of gear. i have alot of problems with it. i can handle test, but when i add dbol or something else in, i get real irritable. halo, the one time i took it, made me close to insane. i will never take it again.
 
big kev1 said:
alot of people say its a myth, but thats BS. increased aggression on gear is a fact. especially if you are aggressive off of gear. i have alot of problems with it. i can handle test, but when i add dbol or something else in, i get real irritable.

I agree. If your aggressive off the juice then for sure it will be more so while on. Just have to know your limit and buttons and have self control.
 
fina .....is making me irritable and agressive right now .... i can control but i have a short fuse
Girth
 
all u guys need to grow the fuck up... if u cant handle a little test or fina then dont use the shit.....your probably 240lb gorillas and someone says boo to you and u flip out? learn some self control!!!!!!!!
 
AS affect different people to variying degrees. I am not too bad, but I do notice increased aggression. I had a friend who used to flip out on me when he was juicing.
 
long read, but only for those seriously interested

Controlling “roid rage” should be 90% a job you undertake personally, and unless you can manage this much, as previous posters have stated, you have no business driving yourself into drugs which will exacerbate your emotional fragility. Although there are drugs which can help ameliorate the problem, rage is a multi-faceted problem and self-therapy is ineffective at best, dangerous at worst. Some common reasons for rage can be:
1. chemical anxiety – receptors in the brain can be excitable by nature and certain stimuli will only serve to drive the anxiety to a frenzy, many people who become violent in situations where they lose control (such as when someone moves your stuff at your desk) can be traced to this influence. Chemical anxieties are hardest to resolve if only because the brain has been literally “hard-wired” to be susceptible to this stimuli.
2. Psychological anxiety – sufferers of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) will commonly see themselves influenced with this. Typically, the issue is a perceived threat similar to a trauma which now rules the actions of the individual. Violent reactions in response to this threat are common. Usually, the majority of the influence is mental, as opposed to chemical, but eventually, becomes chemical too.
3. Phobic anxiety – a mixture of chemical and mental anxieties where the person has a generalized fear or paranoia of some threat. Although most phobias can be focused on objects or situations (heights, snakes, public speaking), some phobias can be generalized (such as some forms of social phobia, or unknown anxieties). The anxiety produced is chemical and psychological and deep set, such that both factors must be addressed in order to achieve a solution. As in all other anxieties, the feeling of imminent danger is what provokes the response.
4. Schizophrenia and psychosis (bi/polar) – very uncommon, and mostly chemically based. Typically the sufferer will react in violence not because of violent tendencies, but because of the lack of social controls the sufferer will have (hence, it’s just as easy for him to cry as it is to kill sometimes), this disorder can exist in various amounts, and although most would assume it only exists in those who “hear voices” or “see things”, many sufferers don’t hear voices at all, but rather , feel sociopathic, or lacking social restraint.
5. Ego/personality (paranoid, antisocial, narcissistic, histrionic) disorder – most common, and easiest to treat of the problems (but by no means easy to treat). Usually is psychological (as opposed to chemical) imbalances whereby the person feels either extreme egoism or extreme devaluation both of which lead to problems in dealing with stressful situations. The greatest sign is the inability to deal with stressors which the general population can deal with (such as someone cutting you off on the freeway, a person who calls you a name, someone who cuts in a line in front of you) and the inability to redirect such stresses effectively. Without redirecting such stresses, violence is a natural progression.

What chemical versus psychological means is that when a problem is chemical, it typically indicates a severe imbalance that is practically “hard-wired” into the person. When a problem is psychological, it is more of a thought process which leads to the imbalance. One important thought though is all problems like this are actually a mix of both chemical and psychological imbalances, and as such, treating them psychologically (which means resisting the temptation or finding ways to deal with it) is almost always the best way to cure all but the most persistent chemical imbalances. The problem with drugs being used is that although they can control the mood problems, they do not address the root cause in a way that solves the problem but rather seek to fill the gap, but unfortunately, as long as the individual doesn’t seek to psychologically solve his problem, he will never really be free of it.

With that said, some common drugs used to treat the harshest chemical imbalances are (and again, I stress, only a psychiatric doctor can even remotely determine a person’s cause and need for them) :

Benzodiazepines: (Ativan, Dalmane, Librium, Restoril, Tranxene, Centrax, Klonopin, Paxipam, Serax, Valium, Xanax)
very useful for treating the strongest anxieties, but can become habit-forming and cause drowsiness. can also cause some androgen insensitivity.

Beta Blockers: (Inderal, Tenormin)
very useful in reducing exitation (adrenaline based anxiety), but not good for asthmatics and can make you fat, and if you have heart problems, let the doc know.

Azaspirones: (BuSpar)
less powerful than Benzodiazepines, but narcotic effects (especially drowsiness) are severely reduced.

Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOI): (Eldepryl, Marplan, Nardil,
Parnate)
sometimes useful for certain chemical anxieties, takes a long time to see the benefits, must be closely supervised by a doctor.

Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SRI): (Celexa, Desyrel, Effexor,
Luvox, Paxil, Prozac, Serzone, Zoloft)
very popular and effective for treating most chemical anxieties, but can cause sexual dysfunction and loss of appetite

Tricyclic Antidepressants (TCA): (Adapin, Anafranil, Elavil, Janimine, Ludiomil, Pamelor, Pertofrane, Sinequan, Surmontil, Tofranil, Vivactil)
by regulating serotonin and noradrenaline, are also very effective in reducing most chemical imbalances, but can cause weight gain, low blood pressure, and sexual dysfunction

here is an article on the chemical versus psychological argument

http://www.bitemarks.com/publications\faq03.html
 
and as it pertains to anabolics, they will exacerbate these conditions (which we all in some degree have ), and as such, it is wise to just keep this in mind, but if you have serious concerns, seek the help of a doctor who can discuss this with you... personally, i've found med-school graduates seem to be the most open-minded when it comes to openly discussing theoretical reactions of anabolic users who might want to consider prozac etc...
 
Here we go again...

I myself....don't ever experience increased aggression on AS....Fina..Test....Halo....or A-bombs...or D-bol.....but give me some clomid post cycle, and I cry like a little girl....looks kinda funny...at 252....and trying to train little kids in Kenpo......just my .02...but I am a firm believer in the whole it has to be there first for it to be intensified by juice (aggression)....some asshole at my gym tossed a ten pound plate through the mirror after failing with 585 on the squat bar.....kinda scary to watch....but raged out juice freaks are the easiest to subdue...(pussy):p
 
Depending on which doctors you talk to, I have OCD and Bi-Polar. I can say for a fact that gear definitely negates much of the meds I am on to treat it. A bit paranoid and cleaning a lot recently!

I am not an aggressive person at all. On gear I do notice the tension level rise much faster and I do notice I am getting pissed really fast. It’s in check. I would never let that get out of control. All the years of keeping BP/OCD in check helped probably.

Going back to that post about different conditions and their psychological effects. If you are a mental case like me just be prepared for a roller coater ride when on gear. Mood swings and other shit.
 
when i feel strong and pumped i get more aggressive than usual.

but i wouldnt say that roids have any physical triggering action for any rage.
 
you don't have to be a closet asshole to feel testy on test. ;)

some people are more prone to this than others. to say it's a myth or you have to be a jerk to begin with is not accurate. but i agree it's the juicer's responsibility to moderate behavior... or stop doing juice.

now I'll exit this thread and leave the mature 'in-control' people to their namecalling. ;)
 
A lack of mental fortitude.

It can bring out your inner asshole IF you allow it to do so.

I've never had any problems with rage, and I have a pretty violent mindset. The difference is that I take responsibility for my actions, whereas some others look to the juice as a scapegoat for acting out.
 
Re: Re: Anyone have problems with "Roid Rage".

Enigmaxxx7 said:



I use over the counter Prep-H for my Roid rage.


:FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol: :FRlol:

You mother fucker!
 
juice has dfferent effects on different people. iam usually fairly laid back and easy going but the sauce can put me on edge. the most therapeutic thing i have found is some light meditation with slow and steady breathing techniques. i have always scoffed at these ideas until two years ago, i started and have been doing it ever since.
foo
 
I'm an asshole when I'm off - I'm an even bigger asshole when I'm on.
 
I Get a more aggresive and less patient when Im on, but never let it control me......So I guess you could say its not a problem. On the ohter hand I really dont like feeling that aggressive and having to control it. So this time I tried Prozac and it definately reduces aggression...Kinda makes me feel like the first time I took anything...The happy energetic aggression.... Good stuff.... i only take it when i feel I need it though. It makes me feel sleepy after a while...

If you do a search on medline, Androgens do play a big role in seritonin levels....
 
I knew what to expect, so it was't too. If you have access to marijuana, it is a good counter-anger agent and is cheap and relatively safe. Now, you've all heard of cheap mans var by mixing dbol and arimidex, I'll give you a quick roid rage fix:

Supplies:

Visine *can be purchased at 7-11
1 joint
.25-.5 g hash/or/.25 ml oil
Car Air freshener
Toiler paper roll
2 bounce* sheets
wipless hand cleanser
car with insurance,gas and valid licence



Preperation:

Hash/Hash oil: Crush the hash and sprikle it amoung the already ground up marijuana. roll it up nice and tight. Add a cardboard filter if time is not a huge concern, as this will improve efficiencey.

Toilet paper roll/and/2bounce sheets: Stuff one bounce sheet at each end of the toilet paper/paper towel role (depending on desired lenght)

Directions:

Reverse out of your driveway with you package of a"feel good geara" and head for a route that doesn't have too much traffic and is not too heavily patrolled. If you live there you should know, and no rush our traffic is not a good idea. Take out you joint and ligher. Place the visine in the glove box where you always do other wise you will forget it when you are stoned. Keep the windows rolled up while you are lighting the joint up and start tolkin away. Now that the joint is lit, upen your window 1/4 of the way down and the passanger window about the same. This will create a cross draft so the smoke will literally be suctioned out of your car.

Ever time you enhale, hold it in for a second of 2, then exhale through the toilett paper roll filled with bounty sheets. Instead of smelling like marijuana it smells exactly like fresh clothes, but stronger. This will work, trust me. After your finished throw away the roach and put visine in your eyes. You may or may not be albe to do this while driving, or possibly when stopped at a light. Throw out the tube and the bounce sheets which will be a shade of brown. A quick spray of "glade" or similar scent or even a squirt of cologne would do the trick. This step may be unneccesary depending on how exact you were with your filter. My car usually smells bounty fresh afterwards. Most of the time I don't need to spray glade. At this point I would suggest applying a hand cleanser or in its absence a wet anti-bacterial wet wipe. This is important because there will be a large amount of residue on your finger tips and will if left be quite smelly.

Now you are home free, enjoy your next 45 minutes of euphoria. I would recommend going somewhere and if you coordinate your plans you could be there by the time your done with other recreational activities. Remember there is no "test" for weed that can be given for driving, and you will not have any of the inherent side effects that are associated with marijuana use. Your eyes will be clear, your hands will smell fresh and clean and your car will be odorless.

Stay calm...for cheap
 
There's one thing that could help you, amd even make you stronger and bigger!

Stanzolol (winstrol)

A Dutch studie showed that this compound makes you more relaxed. Stanozolol has some kind of impact on the female hormones in youre body, that makes you less aggressive. Testosteron did, like yoy already knew, the opposite. Never tried it! But could help...

Keep me posted when you're going to try it!
I have allot of problems with my temper while on juice!

good luck - Mr Holland
 
Serotonin Involved with HPTA

I was reading a book on 5-HTP on THursday and the doctor who wrote it (whose name I can't remember but it's a white book and his picture is on the back--bearded) linked proper serotonin levels to proper HPTA function.

Basically he said your HPTA will work best when there are adequate levels of serotonin in the brain.

Implications:

you could use 5-HTP for post-cycle recovery.

"Roid rage" and the horniness might be caused by low serotonin levels:

First, roid rage

If high levels of serotonin are part of the feedback loop for test production, then excess androgens in the blood might prompt your body to procide less (if any at all) serotonin. Just like your body stops producing LH.

Libido:

It is a well known fact that IN GENERAL, lower levels of serotonin equal a higher libido and vice versa. Also, serotonin levels generall INCREASE with age. So if excess androgens cause your s levels to plummet, your libido will skyrocket.

There could be some very interesting implications for 5-HTP in relation to cycling.
 
yes i have a problem with it. i have narrowed it to two reasons:

A) idiots on the roadways
B) idiots on EF and other internet boards who can talk shit that is not face to face (whereas it won't happen 99% of the time).

:D
 
PLEASE kick Freakzilla of the board!!

everywhere i see him he's talking crap... Mr. Expert!
Mr Winstrol-is -better-for-building-mass-than-sustenon!
Yeah right!

And if you have a problem with roidrage... kill you mom, so she cant make more suckers like you
 
Mr.Holland said:
PLEASE kick Freakzilla of the board!!

everywhere i see him he's talking crap... Mr. Expert!
Mr Winstrol-is -better-for-building-mass-than-sustenon!
Yeah right!

And if you have a problem with roidrage... kill you mom, so she cant make more suckers like you

a clear example of roid rage. we solved the case. lol.
hey jerkoff BTW, i got one vote for sust hurts.....you got none on that thread. better go get your boys to start voting and stuffing the thread with votes for sust don't hurt. :D lol!!!!!!!
 
Sust hurts like a MOFO:D
 
jubei said:
Sust hurts like a MOFO:D

thanks, please go tell them on the thread where guards and bababuee and mr homo holland are saying its painless. :rolleyes: unreal the misinformation on EF compared to other boards. and i have over 5000 posts with all my usernames over the years, so i am no newbie.
 
I used Nile sustanon 1 ml/week and the shots hurt like shit. 2ml shots of spectro enanthate caused absolutely no pain. 4 other people that did the same cycle as me at the same time report the same thing.
 
jubei said:
I used Nile sustanon 1 ml/week and the shots hurt like shit. 2ml shots of spectro enanthate caused absolutely no pain. 4 other people that did the same cycle as me at the same time report the same thing.

lol...i got myself and three others saying SAME THING! sust hurt....enanthate didn't. well i bitched about enanthate too...so i must be extra sensitive to test in general......but yeah i hear you. trying to explain the numbers for sust hurts and against sust hurts are like 98 to 2. won't listen to me though. whatever! :D
 
What a bunch of fucking babies... "oh I took dbol and could barely control myself"

whaaa whaaaa

Same shit you hear from drunks.
 
Frackal said:
What a bunch of fucking babies... "oh I took dbol and could barely control myself"

whaaa whaaaa

Same shit you hear from drunks.

yeah, i want to kill everyone roids or not. :D so i agree! its your own personality.......i have been just as angry on nothing as i am on dbol or whatever.
 
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