Anyone have anything BAD to say about 1-AD (compared to a real AAS)

[dork]

I've heard only good things about 1-AD, 1-TEST, and 4-AD
Im still not clear on the differance between the three, and im just wondering if anyone has anyting bad to say about any (all) of them.

I used Nor-19 before i hit a real cycle, and Nor-19 doesn't compare (not even close) to a Winny only cycle. (Or an EQ only cycle -- only cycles i've done)

Im on my 3rd cycle right now (Winny only again) and if these PH's are all they are cracked up to be, i might hit one of them in the next few months...

 

[cool_sub]

I'm on a 1-AD only cycle, 5th out of 7th week and have now put on 9lbs. Considering there is no or not much water retention due to 1-AD not aromatising that is pretty good.

I prefer the look from d-bol better, although a lot of water retention that look makes you look awesome, although a false look cause you lose it afterwards.

I tried 19-NOR Keto-7 I think it was called before the 1-AD and it didn't even touch me. The 4-AD I think you take with 1-AD and not really on it's own.

From what I know you'll get better results from Winny than the ph's but they're worth a go if you want to try something legal.

 

[Par Deus]

The only way you are going to like 4-AD is if you do it transdermally.

Also, what cool_sub says in regards to water retention is important. 1-AD and 1-test do not aromatize at all and 4-AD does not promote nearly as much water retention per unit anabolic activity as test or D-bol, so weight and strength increases are going to be less dramatic.

 

[pa1ad]

The only way you are going to like 4-AD is if you do it transdermally.

Also, what cool_sub says in regards to water retention is important. 1-AD and 1-test do not aromatize at all and 4-AD does not promote nearly as much water retention per unit anabolic activity as test or D-bol, so weight and strength increases are going to be less dramatic.

nasal 4-AD works really well but its not really sold anymore

 

[norr]

nasal 4-AD works really well but its not really sold anymore

Yeah, about that: why did you stop making it, the cyclo 4AD powder that is? Have you at least sold the patent to some other manufacturer? 'Cause I've seen others selling cyclo tabs but never the powder... I really liked the nasal spray

 

[dork]

So pretty much, the gains grom 1-AD can't really compare to a true AAS?

(also, how good is 1-test?)

 

[Thaibox]

So pretty much, the gains grom 1-AD can't really compare to a true AAS?

Not even close

A mustang GT versus a supercharged LS-1 Camaro w/NOS

both are cars, just a rediculous comparison

 

[BlkWS6]

Originally posted by Thaibox


Not even close

A mustang GT versus a supercharged LS-1 Camaro w/NOS

both are cars, just a rediculous comparison



I love that comparison Thai!, although it would be just as valid without the supercharger or NOS!

 

[1fast400]

I would also mention that the penalty (legally) for having 1-AD vs AAS would fit the same description.

 

[Thaibox]

So the LT-1 I have made over 400hp and am putting a supercharger on next month will be illegal?

Then if I DO decide to run NOS, then the feds will probably be after me for the perfectly legal mods eh?

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

hey thaibox. im ure u wouldnt ind if i borrowed your car, right?

Ross

 

[Thaibox]

hey thaibox. im ure u wouldnt ind if i borrowed your car, right?

Ross

No problem bro

I'm selling it soon. Its all yours if you want it.

 

[Spectre]

Good, the Bad and just a little ugly

I ran about 9 weeks at 600mg of 1ad and 4ad tabs with 19nor as well.

When the smoke cleared and my axis recovered about 12lbs of LBM. However it's important to note that I concentrated on diet, sleep, water and kicked the beers ( who doesn't like 2 or 3 cool ones after a long hard day?).. But being off for a month now, my umps have gone down and my strength is level.

The bad: The sever loss of sex drive, damn that sucked. It made me passive and nonagressive. I am just now feeling frisky again. My wife thought something was wrong, honestly that added stress to great relationship. Recovery water and estrogen rebound, I controlled that with Ldex and had some bacne.

The pills make your piss burn and kidneys ache (I drank tons of water!!!) If I chose to do this again, going transdermal.

It's allot of work and allot of money!! It was worth it, and great practice for a future cycle. Sorry for the ramble but I just can't fairly state the bad without the good and situation

Spectre

 

[Par Deus]

Not even close

A mustang GT versus a supercharged LS-1 Camaro w/NOS

both are cars, just a rediculous comparison

Look at the feedback on ONE, Bill's ethergels, and the 600-900mg 1-AD cycles, and compare it to another non-aromatizing androgen like tren, winnie, primo, etc. -- make sure and compare 8 week cycles to 8 week cycles and 2 week ones to 2 week ones -- it is not a ridiculous comparison at all.

 

[megadeth]

That is exactly what I have noticed. It is incredible that we still have alot of guys saying that prohormones are shit and don't work 1-ad and sometimes topical 4-ad seem to work(in a lot of people) as good or better(and faster). Topical 1-test seems to work even better, but that's not a very fair comparion, being that it is a very potent STEROID!

megadeth

 

[javaguru]

Ask anyone who's tried an injectable 4-ad to compare it to "real
AAS." Oral testosterone no ester SUCKS when compared to "real AAS", and even Andriol requires a large dosage for replacement therapy. Likewise, if it were possible to actually inject 1-test and not be incapacitated you would see guys jumping from the "real" stuff like rats from a sinking ship!

 

[pa1ad]

Yeah, about that: why did you stop making it, the cyclo 4AD powder that is? Have you at least sold the patent to some other manufacturer? 'Cause I've seen others selling cyclo tabs but never the powder... I really liked the nasal spray

Its hard to promote it. The average consumer has no idea how to use it or what it is supposed to do, and we cannot promote it as a nasal product for FDA reasons. So while its a good product and a small amount of folks love the stuff its poor sales do not justify its production

 

[pa1ad]

Ask anyone who's tried an injectable 4-ad to compare it to "real
AAS." Oral testosterone no ester SUCKS when compared to "real AAS", and even Andriol requires a large dosage for replacement therapy. Likewise, if it were possible to actually inject 1-test and not be incapacitated you would see guys jumping from the "real" stuff like rats from a sinking ship!

this is why the dose is in the hundreds of milligrams a day for these products, to make up for the poor oral bioavailablity. If you could inject these products then they would be quite comparable milligram to milligram to most anabolic steroids out there.

 

[Par Deus]

That is exactly what I have noticed. It is incredible that we still have alot of guys saying that prohormones are shit and don't work

We still have people saying "andro sucks" on questions concerning 1-AD and 1-test -- if one cannot conceptually grasp (or refuses to) that original andro and the later generation products are different molecules, and thus have different effects, then they cannot be expected to grasp much of anything

 

[1fast400]

ThaiBox:

If you don't understand the statement then I'm not going to explain it to you.

On another note I'm sorry you could only produce 400hp on motor alone.

 

[pa1ad]

We still have people saying "andro sucks" on questions concerning 1-AD and 1-test -- if one cannot conceptually grasp (or refuses to) that original andro and the later generation products are different molecules, and thus have different effects, then they cannot be expected to grasp much of anything

Oh but isn't that just what you would want us to believe?

FUCK YOU SCAM ARTIST!!!!!!!!

 

[Thaibox]

ThaiBox:

If you don't understand the statement then I'm not going to explain it to you.

On another note I'm sorry you could only produce 400hp on motor alone.

Okay, what did your brilliant analogy mean?

Yeah, 420hp at the rear wheels from an LT-1 done in my garage without a s/c, or NOS is pathetic isn't it? What do you drive slick?

 

[MIKERAZ]

this is why the dose is in the hundreds of milligrams a day for these products, to make up for the poor oral bioavailablity. If you could inject these products then they would be quite comparable milligram to milligram to most anabolic steroids out there.

I'm not trying to pick a fight in anyway shape or form but, that statement is very inacurate. Over at animals board many people have been making injectable 4ad and nordiol using either a water suspension kit or a oil suspension kit. I have read a few posts and HAVE not read one where the person has gained a significant amount of weight. Most report strength, full look etc, but no muscle. Now if you ask people who take Deca,Test cyp,prop ,dianabol etc you see high increases in muscle like 10-15 pounds so you really cant say that these compounds as injectables would be comparable to common stuff.

Just a side note i asked animal about the anadrol pro-hormone thing he said its ludicrous because its not a diol , anadrol-diol would be the Pro-hormone to anadrol, and if its a pro-hormone then what hormones is it converting to .

He also stated methylation is very hard because getting a alpha vs a beta is very hard and is a 50-50 chance and since beta is inactive it could possible ruin the entire synthesis.

 

[javaguru]

Stanalozol only cycles give very little in the way of mass gains but people get full, tight, strong and love it. It seems that 4-AD's primary method of action is not AR mediated which would explain why people haven't gotten huge mass gains. Likewise, the injectable product is also "suspect" in these cases due to impurities and the inability to suspend the 4-AD for any length of time. Honestly, I've never been a big fan of suspensions but a 4-AD ester would open the door for a decent solution.

 

[MIKERAZ]

I'm a little disapointed that PA didnt respond i guess i finally got him.

Now to your response, the impurities isnt the issue , neither is half life as animal took care of that by puttign 4ad in oil suspension and he said oil suspension has the same half life as propionate ester . and many peoplev have been using 4ad in oil and still no mass. and animal even said all esters do is just make it oil soluble it does NOTHING to potency . damn feels good to be right.

 

[megadeth]

MIKERAZ,

No disrespect bro, but you should start a new religion call "animalism". You act is if everything that comes out of his mouth is FACT. Although, I have alot of respect for of his knowledge. He has been wrong on many occations. No one is always right, including Animal!


megadeth

 

[MIKERAZ]

Sorry par but i must call bullshit, injectable is better then transdermal and you cant argue extended release because people did 4ad in oil and animal says it has the same halflife as prop molecule.

 

[TheBear]

MIKERAZ...can you please SHUT THE HELL UP. I am so godamn sick of reading your bullshit posts. You constantly question the knowledge of others...this isnt a classroom where your job is to "question" every goddamn thing. Did you ever think that you didnt STUMP pa1ad..he just got sick of reading your goddamn annoying posts????

 

[MIKERAZ]

Na he would of corrected me ,hes stumped

 

[Par Deus]

Sorry par but i must call bullshit, injectable is better then transdermal and you cant argue extended release because people did 4ad in oil and animal says it has the same halflife as prop molecule.

Surely, you are just a troll and not being serious in all of your posts.

 

[MIKERAZ]

Whta you mean by a troll ? I'm right i must call bullshit, if people injecting this stuff arent making gains then you wont by transdermal either

 

[javaguru]

Animal said he prefered 4-ad to TNE......

 

[Par Deus]

After the way PA has ripped Animal's "knowledge" of chemistry to shreds, your recurring "Animals says" phrase seems rather farcical.

 

[MIKERAZ]

O really hate to break this to u but over at animals board , dogcrapp said PA has told him that he has a Silent,careful, respect for animal and that he is blown away and amazed at how animal is proving science wrong .

and i still say bullshit on 10lbs from 4ad alone

 

[OVRTrainer]

O really hate to break this to u but over at animals board , dogcrapp said PA has told him that he has a Silent,careful, respect for animal and that he is blown away and amazed at how animal is proving science wrong .

and i still say bullshit on 10lbs from 4ad alone

First of all, you listen to a guy who calls himself dogcrapp? BWAHAHAHAHAHHA

Secondly, please stop posting....you're embarrassing yourself!

 

[pa1ad]

Just a side note i asked animal about the anadrol pro-hormone thing he said its ludicrous because its not a diol , anadrol-diol would be the Pro-hormone to anadrol, and if its a pro-hormone then what hormones is it converting to .

He also stated methylation is very hard because getting a alpha vs a beta is very hard and is a 50-50 chance and since beta is inactive it could possible ruin the entire synthesis.

Animal is wrong. Prohormone means an inactive precursor that then metabolizes into the active hormone in-vivo. Anadrol likely fits this definition because it has negligible binding to the androgen receptor and converts in the body to metabolites that have very considerable binding to the AR. Therefore, it is likely that anadrol is a prohormone and it exerts its effects through active metabolites. A prohormone does not have to be a diol or a dione.

Methylation at C17 of androgens is very EASY because it is a STEREOSPECIFIC reaction and always gives the methyl at the alpha position. This is beause steric hindrance from the C18 methyl group (which is in the beta position) forces the alkylation to take place in the alpha position.

Animal obviously does not read up enough on the subjects he claims to be an expert on

 

[1fast400]

Where I am from we call this getting your a$$ handed to you.

 

[pa1ad]

Na he would of corrected me ,hes stumped

Hey dickhead, you ever perhaps think that i don't check elitefitness every day?

You are borderline retarded, the chances of you stumping me are nil to none

 

[pa1ad]

O really hate to break this to u but over at animals board , dogcrapp said PA has told him that he has a Silent,careful, respect for animal and that he is blown away and amazed at how animal is proving science wrong .

and i still say bullshit on 10lbs from 4ad alone

OK, he's a troll

 

[MIKERAZ]

Wow i didnt mean to start a fight,calm down ,im just trying to help out guys as everybody seems interested in science and since i know many of you guys are blocked from animals site (hes tough but fair) but i would really like PA to defend his original about these compounds if being injectable would be comparable to commerical stuff. because once again people on animals board report,strength ,nerve recover but no mass, now if you take test or deca youd explode. and you cant make that there not esterfied a excuse because people used animals susoil that has the half life of prop .

 

[pa1ad]

Wow i didnt mean to start a fight,calm down ,im just trying to help out guys as everybody seems interested in science and since i know many of you guys are blocked from animals site (hes tough but fair) but i would really like PA to defend his original about these compounds if being injectable would be comparable to commerical stuff. because once again people on animals board report,strength ,nerve recover but no mass, now if you take test or deca youd explode. and you cant make that there not esterfied a excuse because people used animals susoil that has the half life of prop .

did you want fries with that?

 

[MIKERAZ]

See by not answering the question thats just not going to shut me up, because i am really curious why you made a false statement like that

 

[pa1ad]

See by not answering the question thats just not going to shut me up, because i am really curious why you made a false statement like that

Thank you, drive thru!!

 

[CytoMel]

See by not answering the question thats just not going to shut me up, because i am really curious why you made a false statement like that

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MIKERAZ, relax a little please. Pat makes an excellent product and he deserves some credit for it. Why should he answer you if you are going to act this way about injectables.

Nobody (supplement buying public) would buy injectable prohormones. I dont think people would want to sell injectable prohormones in a supplement store Injectables for retail sale would turn off most customers. So what is the point of debating the injectable efficancy of Pat's fine product?

 

[MIKERAZ]

He does make a good product , and im in no way shape or form calling him a scammer ,but people are injecting these product with one of animals conversion kits and from what ive been reading it hasnt been comparable to some one taking test cyp or deca or d-bol. So i feel he should back up the reason why he said they would be comparable. He definetly is a good honest guy i mean if it werent for him nobody would be using anything but HMB or vanadyl

 

[Par Deus]

You are borderline retarded, the chances of you stumping me are nil to none

Someone needs to pic this up for their sig. file