anyone get excessive appetite from igf? me dont like..

[bigtasty25]

my appetite on this stuff for bulking has been unreal...i literally eat a whole bag of vegies with each of my meals with brown rice/ny strip steak and im still hungry as hell 1 hour later, even with appetite suppresents otc, and the works for insulin control, ala, cinammon, chromium, you name it. The worst is at night...i cant help it but to cheat a bit. Im about 6% but i just came off a contest and dont want to get my bodyfat over 9% so im getting some meridia asap. In the morning the last few days ive been bloated bad from the late night cheat meals so i pop a lasix and I look better after a couple hours...but still, i dont like taking lasix for extended periods. Anyone else have this prob on igf? (for some the appetite stimulation may be good but im an endomorph so i love to eat, so its def a problem)

 

[Wulfgar]

my appetite on this stuff for bulking has been unreal...i literally eat a whole bag of vegies with each of my meals with brown rice/ny strip steak and im still hungry as hell 1 hour later, even with appetite suppresents otc, and the works for insulin control, ala, cinammon, chromium, you name it. The worst is at night...i cant help it but to cheat a bit. Im about 6% but i just came off a contest and dont want to get my bodyfat over 9% so im getting some meridia asap. In the morning the last few days ive been bloated bad from the late night cheat meals so i pop a lasix and I look better after a couple hours...but still, i dont like taking lasix for extended periods. Anyone else have this prob on igf? (for some the appetite stimulation may be good but im an endomorph so i love to eat, so its def a problem)

never heard of anyone having that problem from igf-1 bro.
I just think your metabolism is pretty fuckin revved up from dieting so hard for so long. the body wants to grow quick.
I find what works best for me is to keep the carbs pretty low and increase the healthy fats(whole eggs, organic PB, CLA's, primrose) along with the high fiber intake. I like eating alot of oat bran and steel cut oats in addition to lbs of broccoli.
where is your protein intake sittin @ right now? also, I supplemetn with about 120 grams of glutamine daily and I have found it really really aids in digestion as well as quelling all forms of carb cravings.

 

[bigtasty25]

i heard about glutamine killing carb cravings...it talks a bit about that in "creating the perfect beast" by L Rea..im gunna have to do that..maybe 50-60 grams for me though =).
Do you count your glutamine cals in with your daily protein intake?
But yeah...ever since my contest Ive been able to eat n gain like a madman..bro...I have an XL skintight under armour shirt i wear to the gym sometimes, im lean no love handles so it fits well, but...I couldnt pull it off my body yesterday, had to ask someone! lol(its my warmup shirt right now)...i had to buy a 2XL and it was tight..but i could actually breathe in it lmao. im at around 193 at 5'9 and about 6% right now and a lil bloated from the cheat stuff at night (so i appear more than 6% but i know my body well, so) but by the time i hit the gym I look leaner due to the lasix in the morning and slowly stuffing 1/2 gal water down my throat 2 hours preworkout (hydration, energy, pump reasons, etc), it seems to take the water out of me actually.

the first 2 weeks of my bulking i did twice a day workouts with 30 mins cardio after each one but had 2300 cals (instead of the 2500 i have now) and my carbs were a bit lower maybe by 30-50 grams lower ...i stayed really shredded/holding no water, i was maybe 10-12 lbs over my contest weight..but then beginning week 3 i noticed i didnt gain anyfat weight whatsoever, i was completely shredded, everyone kept asking when my next show was LOL.. so i figured im not gaining muscle either, since its hard to gain size when there isnt a caloric surplus..so i added 200 cals daily and switched to once daily workouts 5 days a week., and 25mcgs t3 instead of 50..and omg...my pumps and strength/weight exploded upwards! But i got a bit more bloated too..and thats also when i started taking the IGF (beginning of week 3) and thats also when the carb/hunger pains hit at night. if its not the igf..then i cant really figure it out...

but ill take your advice on the glutamine..ive heard that several times before ..
i do 45/20/35 in terms of carbs/fat/protein ratio right now..would a 50/20/30 ratio be better you think?
I have tons of high fiber stuff, oat bran, atkins high fiber stuff, fiber tabs, high fiber oatmeal/whole wheat high fiber/etc...so im cool there..

thanx brotha

 

[macrophage69alpha]

igf-1 is going to affect your insulin sensitivity, so it may be messing up your blood sugar (hence the cravings)

 

[Mr.X]

my appetite on this stuff for bulking has been unreal...i literally eat a whole bag of vegies with each of my meals with brown rice/ny strip steak and im still hungry as hell 1 hour later, even with appetite suppresents otc, and the works for insulin control, ala, cinammon, chromium, you name it. The worst is at night...i cant help it but to cheat a bit. Im about 6% but i just came off a contest and dont want to get my bodyfat over 9% so im getting some meridia asap. In the morning the last few days ive been bloated bad from the late night cheat meals so i pop a lasix and I look better after a couple hours...but still, i dont like taking lasix for extended periods. Anyone else have this prob on igf? (for some the appetite stimulation may be good but im an endomorph so i love to eat, so its def a problem)

The IGF-1 is lowering your blood sugar levels, so you're experiencing the common cravings attributed to low blood sugar. This always happens to CKD dieters the 1st 2 weeks.

 

[drrman]

yes, hunger from IGF is very common from my personal experience

 

[bigtasty25]

interesting..makes sense...

im just taking my igf all in the late morning now before my workout...5mcgs in each bi, and 5mcgs in each tri (20 mcgs total)..so by late evening its out of my system and i dont get the hunger cravings...its 10:15pm and no hunger cravings miracously ...taking 50 grams glutamine daily now as per wulfgar's suggestion (modified to a lower level to suit my size) and my cravings r def going down from this..

would u guys count the glutamine cals into the total daily calories? (from protein im assuming)

 

[macrophage69alpha]

taking 50 grams glutamine daily now as per wulfgar's suggestion (modified to a lower level to suit my size) and my cravings r def going down from this..

why not take 10 grams of acetyl-l-glutamine?

that much glutamine would for most people cause severe stomach distress (are you taking with food?)

 

[bigtasty25]

yeah im taking it with food..

what do u mean by stomach distress?
i just feel pretty full basically..no indigestion really...
im ready for my 4th meal now and im not hungry at all..in fact..i dont really feel like eating..LOL

acetyl l glutamine eh? 10 grams of that u find would be equal to 50 of peptide glutamine? (cuz thats what im taking)
i took 30 grams of glutamine peptide so far today and my appetite is gone, so im not really gunna take anymore unless i really need it..

 

[Wulfgar]

high doses of glutamine shouldnt cause stomach distress
If anything it would actually aid in the digestive process(since the bulk of smooth muscle in the digestive tract is primarily glutamine based proteins) and boost immune system
and i can see the logic Igf-1 would increase Slin sensitivty and lead to hunger cravings.

Id stick with the 45/20/35 ratio and i wouldnt increase the carbs..but maybe throw a few high GI carbs in post workout since foods high in fiber will increase slin sensitivity even more and may make you even hungrier. I actually think a 40/20/40 ratio is better for those with endomorphic bodytypes.
Also i dont count the glutamine toward my overall protein intake.

good luck brutha..

 

[bigtasty25]

good info big man...ive been sticking with the 45/20/35 ratio anywhoo because i notice more carbs=more energy+strength+fullness in the gym for me so ill stay with that..for my 4th meal i was so not hungry that i just had 2/3 cup of nonfat lowsugar healthychoice ice cream (cappachino, yummy), with 5 oz of ny strip steak and half a slice of whole wheat bread...LOL...it filled me up and included faster and slower digesting carbs...for my last meal around 3am ill prob have a casein shake with a few cups of salad...jeez...im not even on the meridia and this glutamine kills my cravings..i wish i woulda known this sooner..;-p

theres a ton of info on the benefits of glutamine in "creating the perfect beast" by l rea if anyone is interested in thus further..

p.s: i was about 193@5'9 n 6% today with no bodyfat increase but i was pretty bloated, so i looked more like 9-10%..smooth, but veiny...and after my heavy sets of 8-12 i was breathing pretty hard for awhile after...just goes to show how bad water bloat can be...by thurs/fri ill prob go down to 185ish and look more normal...

i can drop 30lbs and go back to my competition weight and condition in 2 weeks if i wanted...but its funny how some ppl just see your face when youre all covered up and think youre kinda chubby..LOL