Anyone ever tried Ibogaine or Kratom?

[beefybull]

Kratom is completely legal in the US.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom.shtml

From "Kratom Bits & Pieces"
Treatment for Opiate Addiction
Use of Mitragyna speciosa as an opium substitute as well as a treatment for opium addiction has been reported since the early 19th century.

Used in Combo with Betel
Kratom leaves are sometimes used in combination with Betel.

Mitragynine
Mitragynine is chemically somewhat similar to yohimbine and psilocybine.

Harvesting Time
It has been reported that the leaves of M. speciosa are most potent in the late Autumn, just before the leaves fall off.

Mellow Gold
Products sold as "mellow gold" are NOT Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa). At this time (3/21/04), Mellow Gold continues to be sold, but has not been identified
http://www.erowid.org/plants/kratom/kratom_article1.shtml

 

[GodOfThunder]

I've read about Ibogaine. Sounds crazy. If you got soome, I'll try most things once! I'm pretty sure you have to go into the Congo to get it.

 

[JayC9]

Someone posted something about Kratom not so long ago.

It was established that in lower doses it acts as a stimulant and in higher doses it becomes more of a relaxant. Apparently it can be bought legally on-line.

I've consumed the raw leaves and it was nothing to write home about. Made me sweaty and impatient.

 

[Fajitas]

Kratom on Ebay check it out. I was considering buying a few of the live plants.

 

[strangebrew]

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=153

biatches

It's good stuff. Some people hate it, some love it. It's worth a try at least.

Which reminds me, I need to buy more....

 

[Alright123]

http://customnutritionwarehouse.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=153

biatches

It's good stuff. Some people hate it, some love it. It's worth a try at least.

Which reminds me, I need to buy more....

it says it will give you a darker skin complexion on your face as one of the side effects....

true?

 

[seizer]

it says it will give you a darker skin complexion on your face as one of the side effects....

true?

I heard that kratom just makes you feel more alert and just gets you kinda wound up.

 

[Alright123]

similar to caffeine ?

Are there any reported health problems?
Health problems are unlikely unless one is consuming large quantities of kratom every day. In Thailand, where there are some people who use kratom every day, those dependent on it can develop weight loss, dark pigmentation of the face, and have physical withdrawal symptoms if they quit abruptly

Strangebrew,,,it seems you use this stuff occasionally, can you see that your face is darker than before use ?

 

[strangebrew]

similar to caffeine ?

Are there any reported health problems?
Health problems are unlikely unless one is consuming large quantities of kratom every day. In Thailand, where there are some people who use kratom every day, those dependent on it can develop weight loss, dark pigmentation of the face, and have physical withdrawal symptoms if they quit abruptly

Strangebrew,,,it seems you use this stuff occasionally, can you see that your face is darker than before use ?

That's from abuse. I'm no where near that level of use.

I imagine those are rare cases in which kratom is used in high doses every day for long periods.

 

[notoriousQQ]

lol. people look for all kinds of shit to get fucked up on. damn, just get some good old fashioned coke, heroine, pot, lsd, x, weed, etc.

 

[jackangel]

lol. people look for all kinds of shit to get fucked up on. damn, just get some good old fashioned coke, heroine, pot, lsd, x, weed, etc.

tell me more about this last one

 

[hotzie]

kratom is nice , good legal buzz

 

[juve]

The experience with kratom very much resembles opiates - the effects produced are sort of on a bell-shaped of the dose regimen. Small amounts produce anxiolytic effect, and as such also improve focus and concentration. Very relaxed and close to being euphoric. High doses just knock you out in a 'getting fucked up' kind of way. Thus, in terms of its effects I it's like an opiate; in terms of its pharmacodynamics - I have no clue via which routes the effects are induced

 

[beefybull]

FAMILY : Rubiaciae
GENUS : Mitragyna
SPECIES : speciosa

COMMON NAMES : Kratom, ketum


DESCRIPTION :
Mitragyna speciosa is a tree, growing up to 50 feet tall, native to Thailand and Malaysia.


USES :
The leaves of the tree are traditionally chewed for their effects, which are described as a combination of narcotic and stimulant. Kratom is used by some as an opium substitute (in tea, smoked, or chewed) and has been found to suppress symptoms of opiate withdrawal. As with opium, it is known for causing constipation, and is sometimes used as a treatment for diarrhea.


RANGE :
Thailand, Malaysia, Borneo, New Guinea


ACTIVE COMPONENTS :
Mitragynine. Also paynanthine, speciogynine, mitraphylline and speciofoline

 

[beefybull]

Kratom Dosage by Erowid

Kratom (Mitragyna speciosa) is described as being a stimulant at low doses, and narcotic/sedative at higher doses. Dosages can vary greatly depending on the freshness of the leaf and the potency of the particular plant/strain. Fresh or freshly dried leaves are generally considered the most potent, but dried leaves are most common outside of SE Asia. Following are approximate dosages for oral (chewed or tea) dried and transported Kratom leaf in grams (as sold outside SE Asia).

IMPORTANT NOTE: There are 4 common grades of kratom leaves sold on the commercial market and each is a different potency. Some companies use the terms "Organic Commercial Grade" for the least potent (dosages 5-30 grams dried leaf), "Premium" or "Instant Premium" (dosages 2-15 grams), "Super" (2-8 grams) or "Super Enhanced" (dosages 1-5 grams). Many vendors do not use these labels for their products and the potencies are not standardized in any way. As of 2003, kratom sales usually seemed to include material that fell into the Commercial Grade, but Premium and Super Grade may now be the norm.

Nausea, dysphoria and vomiting are likely with overly strong doses, so it is important for kratom-tea drinkers to start low with the specific leaf material they have and slowly work the dosage up to avoid unpleasant effects.

A teaspoon of dried leaf is usually between 1.5 and 2.0 grams. 1 milliliter of dried leaf is usually between 0.3 and 0.4 grams.


Oral Kratom Dosages (dried leaf)
Enhanced (Extract Added)
Threshold 1 gram
Light 1-2 grams
Common 2-3 grams
Strong 3-6 grams

Oral Kratom Dosages (dried leaf)
Super Grade
Threshold 1-2 grams
Light 2-4 grams
Common 3-5 grams
Strong 4-8 grams

Oral Kratom Dosages (dried leaf)
Premium Grade
Threshold 2-4 grams
Light 3-5 grams
Common 4-10 grams
Strong 8-15 grams

Oral Kratom Dosages (dried leaf)
Commercial Grade (low potency)
Threshold 3-7 grams
Light 5-10 grams
Common 10-20 grams
Strong 20-50 grams


Onset : 5-15 minutes
Duration : 2-5 hours
Normal After Effects : 3-6 hours