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any Cisco (CCNA) peeps here?

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My unemployed friend is considering going through school to pick up the certs.

Miami College offers 3 classes to prepare you for the thingy. Or the CNA or whatever it is called.

Question - how much does an entry level Jr type Cisco dude make? Is there a bunch of traveling involved?
 
AAP said:
My unemployed friend is considering going through school to pick up the certs.

Miami College offers 3 classes to prepare you for the thingy. Or the CNA or whatever it is called.

Question - how much does an entry level Jr type Cisco dude make? Is there a bunch of traveling involved?
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BWahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahah!

CCNA's can do pretty good, but they really want you to have experience in the field at least. If you're really good with routing and can apply your knowledge, you can do even better.

Travel will be involved. More travel if you do consulting, which pays better. Less travel if you work in house for a company with a large infrastructure, but these generally don't pay as much.
 
JH1 said:
BWahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahah!

CCNA's can do pretty good, but they really want you to have experience in the field at least. If you're really good with routing and can apply your knowledge, you can do even better.

Travel will be involved. More travel if you do consulting, which pays better. Less travel if you work in house for a company with a large infrastructure, but these generally don't pay as much.
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what so funny bro? damn, you think I am too good to associate with someone unemployed?
 
This is something that they are advertising down at MC. I don't know how legitimate it is. I read it and while nothing is mentioned of $$ required... I would suspect that the boot camp you attend comes with a cost... how else are they making money here?

Microsoft/Cisco Internships – $36,000 - $90,000
Company: Tech Pros Group Inc.
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Description
Have you thought about a career as a LAN/WAN Engineer?

The information technology industry is heating up again. There is currently a high volume of LAN/WAN positions and not enough qualified candidates.

LAN/WAN Engineers are highly respected, well paid and are in high demand by both technology consulting companies and professional corporations.

Requirements
Tech Pros Group is currently interviewing candidates for the LAN/WAN Engineer Internships. If you are selected, you will be invited to attend a 1 month LAN/WAN engineer camp. The 1 month camp will teach you the skills that are required to perform the duties of a LAN/WAN engineer. Upon successful completion of the camp, you will be offered a 1 year paid internship as a LAN/WAN engineer with a Microsoft/Cisco consulting company in your area. During your internship, you will receive 3 months of enterprise Cisco training while you work fulltime.

The compensation you will receive during the internship will range from $36,000 to $90,000. Actual compensation will be determined by your previous history, your abilities and how much you learn during the camp.

The best part about this opportunity is that the training you receive is paid through a percentage of your future income. This is a great internship for ambitious, career minded individuals who want to fast track to senior level information technology positions.

QUALIFICATIONS
The ideal candidate must have a minimum of 2 years of proven IT experience or Bachelor's degree in an IT related major. In addition all candidates should be professional, career focused, sharp, ambitious individual with excellent work ethics. In addition, candidate must have a general understanding of common networking concepts including TCP/IP and Windows 2000/2003
 
AAP said:
what so funny bro? damn, you think I am too good to associate with someone unemployed?
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LMAO @ "My Unemployed Friend"

One... sounds like every other thread where people post about their 'friend' when it's really them.

Two... you don't have any friends. At least IRL.
 
JH1 said:
LMAO @ "My Unemployed Friend"

One... sounds like every other thread where people post about their 'friend' when it's really them.

Two... you don't have any friends. At least IRL.
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The assumption that AAP knows a damn thing about computers in the first place is ridiculous. Everyone knows that. Where have you been for the, say... last 6 years?

This is my same friend that just lost his job and was thinking of doing the PC Maintenance thing with all freeware.

My job is in the medical field broly... I don't do that computer shit.
 
AAP said:
The assumption that AAP knows a damn thing about computers in the first place is ridiculous. Everyone knows that. Where have you been for the, say... last 6 years?

This is my same friend that just lost his job and was thinking of doing the PC Maintenance thing with all freeware.

My job is in the medical field broly... I don't do that computer shit.
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Fuggin fly bitches...

They will make money on the costs of the boot camp, there is no guarantee they will be able to place him, and it will most likely be at the bottom of that pay scale... those are the catches...

If he has experience with PCs etc, he should probably apply for jobs at help desks / support centers... then start training for Cisco stuff or whereever he wants to go from there...

Help Desks can pay upwards of 50k, depending on cost of living... that way he has an income... plus it puts him smack dab in the middle of the field where he can network and people can introduce him to people that would hire him for his new skills...
 
jnuts said:
I can vouch for this.
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Look at that ad... can you vouch for that?

He has a choice through the FL Unemployment system to take CCNA or CCNP classes.

Which is better?
 
JH1 said:
Fuggin fly bitches...

They will make money on the costs of the boot camp, there is no guarantee they will be able to place him, and it will most likely be at the bottom of that pay scale... those are the catches...

If he has experience with PCs etc, he should probably apply for jobs at help desks / support centers... then start training for Cisco stuff or whereever he wants to go from there...

Help Desks can pay upwards of 50k, depending on cost of living... that way he has an income... plus it puts him smack dab in the middle of the field where he can network and people can introduce him to people that would hire him for his new skills...
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He has a hearing impairment and isn't the best on phones. If the phone is loud, no prob. But otherwise it intimidates him. He was doing basic upgrades (memory, hard drives, etc..) before losing his job.
 
AAP said:
He has a hearing impairment and isn't the best on phones. If the phone is loud, no prob. But otherwise it intimidates him. He was doing basic upgrades (memory, hard drives, etc..) before losing his job.
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There are jobs out there like that where the phones can be avoided... but most work at that level requires cycles on the phones with end users. I am sure most larger companies would accomodate his hearing issues with the appropriate equipment.


I think the CCNA is a good path, but to get good pay you need good contacts in the field and you need the expeience... go for it, but it in the mean time get your income going and start making inroads into the industry..
 
You can forget getting a related job with a CCNA cert and no experience to go with it. I had one with experience and it never made a difference. I let mine lapse in 2003.
 
Dial_tone said:
You can forget getting a related job with a CCNA cert and no experience to go with it. I had one with experience and it never made a difference. I let mine lapse in 2003.
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What can you do with it then?
 
AAP said:
What can you do with it then?
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Generally you gain some experience then get a certification to get a higher paying job. People that use certs to get an entry level job are pretty much looked down on unless it's an A-1 cert.

My CCNA instructor passed the CCIE written exam (which is like Jesus of Networking) but had never actually worked on a live network. He could recite routing knowledge like he had a photographic memory yet didn't know that SMTP traffic was on port 25 and POP3 was 110...pretty much the equivalent of a football player not knowing there should be 11 guys on the field.
 
so it is a waste going through the classes and then trying for something like 35K entry level?
 
AAP said:
so it is a waste going through the classes and then trying for something like 35K entry level?
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It's a waste because anything Cisco-related is not really entry level to begin with. There is a fuckton of IT knowledge building up to that level that someone in the routing/security are is expected to have.

It's like trying to get an entry level job as a college football offensive coordinator. There's a whole bunch of steps before you get to that point.

Bottom line - the only entry-level IT job is help desk support. An entry-level Cisco job is actually mid-level viewed in IT as a whole. I was in the business for five years before I got anywhere near a Cisco switch, router or PIX.
 
Dial_tone said:
It's a waste because anything Cisco-related is not really entry level to begin with. There is a fuckton of IT knowledge building up to that level that someone in the routing/security are is expected to have.

It's like trying to get an entry level job as a college football offensive coordinator. There's a whole bunch of steps before you get to that point.

Bottom line - the only entry-level IT job is help desk support. An entry-level Cisco job is actually mid-level viewed in IT as a whole. I was in the business for five years before I got anywhere near a Cisco switch, router or PIX.
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Well I guess that limits his options. He was doing basic hardware maintenance prior to this. And was doing SQL work in Austin TX. But down here there isn't really anything that is just SQL related... they want you to have to ASP, VB, C++, Crystal REports, etc...
 
Dial_tone said:
Hell, if he knows SQL tell him to get an Oracle DBA cert. SQL is everywhere. He's got to be marketable with that.

http://www.oracle.com/education/lang/no/certification/index.html
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He has the Intro to SQL cert exam passed.

He was working as temp SQL coder and jr dba type. But down here, they want you to be a jack of all trades, not like austin where you could specialize in one thing. here you have to know UNIX, Linux, Citrix, --whateverelseendsinX, java, asp, etc.. etc... etc....
and he doesnt know all that. That is about 2 years of course work and the broly needs a job within 6 months.
 
Well he'd have to know Unix, Linux and Windows for Cisco too...hence the reason I say it isn't truly entry level.
 
define knowing *nix? how in-depth does your knowledge have to be?

i ran slackware and debian years ago, and i was semi-competent with it...

windows is cake, though.
 
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