Any baseball juicers?

[Güclü_oglan]

Hello!

I'm currently training baseball (trying to get my technique together good enough for pitching), i'm trying to get my strength up. I wonder if anyone can recommend some criterias i should set when picking a cycle. I know winny isn't a good pitcher's steroid because it can dry out your elbows. I was wondering if trying to get halo is a good idea

i've only done one cycle before (10 mg of dbol every morning for 60 days and i'm as happy as i can be with the results).

I'm looking for something that could improve following things:

strength
mass
not increasing chances of injuries too much!
and endurance would be great (but i think high repetition-workouts is the only way for that)

I was thinking about following steroids:

Testosterone ena (seems comfortable with pretty good gains, and it's cheap as hell compared to other stuff)

winny (friends has made extreme strength improvements with it, but it could be bad for my elbows in the long run)

dbol (wouldn't mind using these again, but i could probadly save some time doing better and more healty stuff)

halotestin (i know a wrestler who uses it and got sh*tloads of strength from it but no mass, but i don't know if it's a little harsh as a second cycle)

sustanon (looks good on paper, but i know it can be painful and fakes are common here)

I'm 23 years old, i weigh 195 lbs and i'm 195.5 cm tall (dunno what that would make in feet'inches)

take care and live well!

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Var/Primo is IMHO the cycle of choice for Pitchers

 

[Güclü_oglan]

thanks for the answer!

primo is cheap in turkey, so when i go back there i'll get ahold of a load.

Is there any other good steroid for joints similiar to deca?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

thanks for the answer!

primo is cheap in turkey, so when i go back there i'll get ahold of a load.

Is there any other good steroid for joints similiar to deca?

NPP. Im not sure of the detection time on it though. Search is on google.

Nandrolone PhenylPropionate

 

[Güclü_oglan]

yea thanks

 

[black sheep]

NPP. Im not sure of the detection time on it though. Search is on google.

Nandrolone PhenylPropionate

NPP is detectable up to 12 months, where deca is 18 months. If you will ever be tested stay away from these compounds.

Prop, Oral Winny, and Var all clear the system in a matter of a few weeks. Primo is about 5 weeks or so, so also a good choice.

I agree with the above.

Run Primo 400mg/week for 10 weeks with 40mg of var ed for the last 6 weeks. You can include 200mg of test per week also to help with mass gains. This cycle will have very little or no sides and recovery is easy (Easier if you don't use the test)

You'll be happy with the results.

 

[greekhookup]

bro, if you are a pitcher i strongly urge you not to use steroids because of the way the body's joints start to grow apart due to the increased muscle mass, my best friend is a pitcher and he used steroids for a short time and he started to dislocate his shoulder regularly while pitching in practice, also the increase in mass wont allow you to have full range of motion with your arm so you speed will decrease dramatically, plus you have to worry about passing the drug test so i would advice you to stick with simple shoulder exercises, good luck

 

[toxicsambo]

Var/Primo is IMHO the cycle of choice for Pitchers

Took the words right out of my mouth. You don't want to lose flexibility because of joint pain and mass, so stay away from Halo/test/d-bol/sust. I got Anavar and Primo's for my buddy who was a catcher for a Div 1 NCAA University. He told me it worked perfectly because he gained strength, gained mass but not to the point where coaches noticed, and was still flexible. Var/Primo all the way. GL

 

[Güclü_oglan]

thanks guys! wil probadly get some primo and var then!

 

[JKurz1]

Why dont you wait until Monday and see what Canseco has to day...........

 

[UA_Iron]

Why dont you wait until Monday and see what Canseco has to day...........

is that really conseco selling out? He still said "I'm not giving up steroids"

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

Hello!

I'm currently training baseball (trying to get my technique together good enough for pitching), i'm trying to get my strength up. I wonder if anyone can recommend some criterias i should set when picking a cycle. I know winny isn't a good pitcher's steroid because it can dry out your elbows. I was wondering if trying to get halo is a good idea

i've only done one cycle before (10 mg of dbol every morning for 60 days and i'm as happy as i can be with the results).

I'm looking for something that could improve following things:

strength
mass
not increasing chances of injuries too much!
and endurance would be great (but i think high repetition-workouts is the only way for that)

I was thinking about following steroids:

Testosterone ena (seems comfortable with pretty good gains, and it's cheap as hell compared to other stuff)

winny (friends has made extreme strength improvements with it, but it could be bad for my elbows in the long run)

dbol (wouldn't mind using these again, but i could probadly save some time doing better and more healty stuff)

halotestin (i know a wrestler who uses it and got sh*tloads of strength from it but no mass, but i don't know if it's a little harsh as a second cycle)

sustanon (looks good on paper, but i know it can be painful and fakes are common here)

I'm 23 years old, i weigh 195 lbs and i'm 195.5 cm tall (dunno what that would make in feet'inches)

take care and live well!

I can't believe this, people giving a pitcher advise on a cycle. How many of you pitched at the collegiate level and actually got some PT. I did. No way in hell am I going to give you advise about using at this point in your life. All that you can do IMO is eat right and continue lifting weights. THAT'S ALL. No drugs, no stimulants. It's a waste of your time and money. If you're going to go beyond college..ummm. you're gonna get tested too. Maybe even at college. Anyway bro, these people giving you cycles..they are good cycles, but not for pitchers. Take heed.

 

[Güclü_oglan]

Hello again, and thanks for your opinions detroitbodybuildertigers!

Yes, now i'm starting to give up the steroid plans for getting better. It seems like it does more bad then good, especially when looking at all major league pitchers they're all tiny and got skinny forearms and still shoot 95 mph balls. I'll get a better technique instead of juicing.

Thanks for all the help!

live well

 

[toxicsambo]

Hello again, and thanks for your opinions detroitbodybuildertigers!

Yes, now i'm starting to give up the steroid plans for getting better. It seems like it does more bad then good, especially when looking at all major league pitchers they're all tiny and got skinny forearms and still shoot 95 mph balls. I'll get a better technique instead of juicing.

Thanks for all the help!

live well

Bulid up ur leg stregth. Get that Roger Clemens kick.

 

[Phaded]

a good arm is god given.. i was throwing 94 when i was in 11th grade..

 

[Güclü_oglan]

a good arm is god given.. i was throwing 94 when i was in 11th grade..

holy smokes now that's impressive

 

[greekhookup]

my goal in life was to be a bullpen catcher but that didnt work out

 

[bboycdizzy]

a good arm is god given.. i was throwing 94 when i was in 11th grade..

If you had descent location ud be drafted especially if your a lefty what are you doing on this board you in disguise

 

[Phaded]

If you had descent location ud be drafted especially if your a lefty what are you doing on this board you in disguise

2 labrum surgeries by the time i reached college and another in college will sway alot of scouts.. i had the dodgers and royals scouting me since i was in 10th but no control or off speed shit is what fucked me up.. throwing all fast balls for 4 years puts some wear on your arm.. now my arm is shot and i'm a piece of shit..

 

[DiamondCutCows]

2 labrum surgeries by the time i reached college and another in college will sway alot of scouts.. i had the dodgers and royals scouting me since i was in 10th but no control or off speed shit is what fucked me up.. throwing all fast balls for 4 years puts some wear on your arm.. now my arm is shot and i'm a piece of shit..

I know the pain bro! I was a highly-touted CF prospect. Actually got pretty close to John Brickley (NE area scout for the Reds). A blown up Achilles will ruin that shit real quick! I went from a 4.31 40yd to a 4.65 after recovery. Sad to think about. I think I'll go eat again now

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Now Im sitting here having flashbacks and shit.

I'll never forget when I threw a guy out at first base from CF. Scouts were cheering. It was memorable.

 

[Phaded]

Now Im sitting here having flashbacks and shit.

I'll never forget when I threw a guy out at first base from CF. Scouts were cheering. It was memorable.

thats fucking insane man.. my boy threw out two cats from right field in the same game but never center. holy shit..

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

2 labrum surgeries by the time i reached college and another in college will sway alot of scouts.. i had the dodgers and royals scouting me since i was in 10th but no control or off speed shit is what fucked me up.. throwing all fast balls for 4 years puts some wear on your arm.. now my arm is shot and i'm a piece of shit..

I had everything BUT a good fastball...change, curve, slider...I'd hit 85 on a REALLY hot day
But I also struck out three guys that went on to the show

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I had everything BUT a good fastball...change, curve, slider...I'd hit 85 on a REALLY hot day
But I also struck out three guys that went on to the show

I can always say I hit one off the wall against Manny Del Carmen, who is now one of the Red Sox top prospects, LOL. I actually hate thinking about this stuff...

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

I am also a baseball player and I am going to run a quick cycle prior to the season...(37 yr old outfielder, amatuer league, about 65 games per year - with no testing: we aren't good enought to be tested - lucky if we get a field with showers )

I gained a good 15-20 lbs over the past couple of years, and it has helped a great deal in on field performance and in avoiding injuries...I am hoping for an additional boost this year - I mean, I ain't getting any younger...

I was also thinking about a low daily dose of Dbol later in the season when the dog days hit and I start dragging, 10/ed sounds about right.

later,


Bluesman

 

[Phaded]

I can always say I hit one off the wall against Manny Del Carmen, who is now one of the Red Sox top prospects, LOL. I actually hate thinking about this stuff...

i actually hit a bomb off and struck out zack greinke in highschool.. and was way better than him till i fucked up my arm.. however he's #3 pitcher for the royals now.. led the team last year in era and other categories.. makes me feel great everytime i think about it..

 

[brandonp005]

I can't believe this, people giving a pitcher advise on a cycle. How many of you pitched at the collegiate level and actually got some PT. I did. No way in hell am I going to give you advise about using at this point in your life. All that you can do IMO is eat right and continue lifting weights. THAT'S ALL. No drugs, no stimulants. It's a waste of your time and money. If you're going to go beyond college..ummm. you're gonna get tested too. Maybe even at college. Anyway bro, these people giving you cycles..they are good cycles, but not for pitchers. Take heed.

I play college ball right now,,have been starting for 4 years at the collegiate level. A low dose of Anavar will be perfectly ok. Just make sure you stretch everyday,,,before and after you lift. I am 22 and been training for years. Just be smart and watch how you train. You can train for strength without a lot of size.

 

[silverbackn]

I'm a former collegiate pitcher, and I don't think any steroid would be that great for a pitcher. I never juiced when I still pitched, but I did get a lot bigger from training and eating. I was only about 220 at 6'1-6'2. I definitely wouldn't advise winstrol, I would go with deca if any. Make sure you stretch the hell out of your shoulder, hold your elbow up even to your shoulder and have somebody hold your elbow and push your hand back. If you don't as you get bigger you will lose flexibility. The muscles in the shoulder that help you throw a baseball are delicate muscles that can easily get out of balance. Good luck with whatever you decide!!!

 

[Güclü_oglan]

I'm a former collegiate pitcher, and I don't think any steroid would be that great for a pitcher. I never juiced when I still pitched, but I did get a lot bigger from training and eating. I was only about 220 at 6'1-6'2. I definitely wouldn't advise winstrol, I would go with deca if any. Make sure you stretch the hell out of your shoulder, hold your elbow up even to your shoulder and have somebody hold your elbow and push your hand back. If you don't as you get bigger you will lose flexibility. The muscles in the shoulder that help you throw a baseball are delicate muscles that can easily get out of balance. Good luck with whatever you decide!!!

Thanks for your advices bro! i will skip the juice, and thanks for the stretchmovement aswel!

 

[Bigdogmikey]

when i played basebal i used test/tren/eq....test for mass..tren for strength.....eq for endurance

 

[southpaw45]

I was actually about to post the same question - Actually I did but in the wrong forum I've pretty much made up my mind to not take them though. I'm a left handed pitcher - 6'2" 180 - I average 86-88 but topped out at 91 during the summer one time. I play for a very respectable Juco in texas - won't say which but I'm sure anyone who knows anything about juco ball could figure it out. I am very weak for my size though. My genes are not all that great as far as muscle building goes and I've thought about steroids many times. It would be great to get much stronger and add 4-5 solid miles an hour on my pitches - that would mean $$$ - but their are just too many risk by using roids. The sad part is their is so many players doing it now, even pitchers, it is unreal and it is just so discouraging to a weakling like myself.

 

[PolfaJelfa]

Jose, you fuc*** prick....i told you, publish that book and no more juicing advice. Cant help you.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

a good arm is god given.. i was throwing 94 when i was in 11th grade..

Gotta call bs on you bro. Now if you follow that up with "I was drafted in the first 5 rounds of the draft I may retract that "BS" but ANY kid that is shoving 94 as a sophmore would be featured in Sports Illustrated and would be at the upper end of every major league scouting report. Mid to high 80's is dominant at the highschool level. You really think you were throwing hard enough to be in the top 20% of major leaguers (in velocity at least) when you were 15?

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

Now Im sitting here having flashbacks and shit.

I'll never forget when I threw a guy out at first base from CF. Scouts were cheering. It was memorable.

Was the guy crawling to 1st base? I was never the fastest but there is no way I'd get thrown out with a hit to cf regardless what kind of a cannon the guy had for an arm. And I've never seen scouts cheer. They play their cards a little closer to their chest for that. You and phaded should get together and tell each other lies for a few hours.

 

[A izzo]

bro, if you are a pitcher i strongly urge you not to use steroids because of the way the body's joints start to grow apart due to the increased muscle mass, my best friend is a pitcher and he used steroids for a short time and he started to dislocate his shoulder regularly while pitching in practice, also the increase in mass wont allow you to have full range of motion with your arm so you speed will decrease dramatically, plus you have to worry about passing the drug test so i would advice you to stick with simple shoulder exercises, good luck

well it helped john rocker throw 96mph to bad hes a nutcase.
but hes right steroids might not be a good idea for pitcher. long toss and miles and miles of running

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Was the guy crawling to 1st base? I was never the fastest but there is no way I'd get thrown out with a hit to cf regardless what kind of a cannon the guy had for an arm. And I've never seen scouts cheer. They play their cards a little closer to their chest for that. You and phaded should get together and tell each other lies for a few hours.

Bro, when you're a REAL prospect scouts do get excited, but you would know that if you experienced it. If I wanted ti impress anyone I would simply google my name

BTW, it was a one-hopper, line drive to my glove side.

 

[Mr_MAX]

Gotta call bs on you bro. Now if you follow that up with "I was drafted in the first 5 rounds of the draft I may retract that "BS" but ANY kid that is shoving 94 as a sophmore would be featured in Sports Illustrated and would be at the upper end of every major league scouting report. Mid to high 80's is dominant at the highschool level. You really think you were throwing hard enough to be in the top 20% of major leaguers (in velocity at least) when you were 15?

I would like to hear a reply to that one...... 94 fast shit

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I would like to hear a reply to that one...... 94 fast shit

I've played against HS'ers throwing low 90's that werent drafted...

 

[tzan]

I've played against HS'ers throwing low 90's that werent drafted...

I too have played against a few high schoolers that threw in the low 90's. It's very good, but not unbelievable by any means.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I too have played against a few high schoolers that threw in the low 90's. It's very good, but not unbelievable by any means.

Very good things are hard for avg people to believe. What can ya do?

 

[romoranger]

just out of curiosity's sake, for a pitcher is eq a possible good idea, or definitely no. this is not for myself, but my pitcher friend. trust me its my friend, my current cycle is more impressive that a bit of eq, lol

 

[khemix]

Ummm I played baseball for 9 years and I juice now, but never at the same time. Does that count?

Chris

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Ummm I played baseball for 9 years and I juice now, but never at the same time. Does that count?

Chris

Im the same story, lol

 

[FlexManning]

Certain body changes can screw with a pitcher's arm. A lot of it is release point. If a pitcher were to use steroids and train like a bodybuilder the resulting changes in his upper body would throw off mechanics badly. (Mechanics that a pitcher has spent years developing.) Roger Clemens says he does a lot of what a bodybuilder does for lower body, but he can't train upper body the same way because of what I mentioned- release point.

HOWEVER, we are fooling ourselves to think that there aren't pitchers who have managed to use steroids effectively. It's pretty well known that Chuck Finley for instance used steroids since his whore ex-wife blabbed it to the world. It's hard for me to believe Clemens hasn't used some sort of anabolic substance. I know that around the time that it became obvious that Bonds was juicing, Clemens had suddenly developed a Bonds-like moonpie face while the rest of his body seemed to muscle up.

The long and short of it though is that of all the positions on the baseball field the pitcher is probably the least likely to benefit from juice and most of the benefit would come from extending a career. However in theory it's possible for a pitcher to add enough mass to his lower body to generate more momentum off the mound. Unfortunately there really isn't an obvious case to model a solid approach from so I can't really say it's a no-lose situation.

 

[bluetwistedsteel67]

Bro, when you're a REAL prospect scouts do get excited, but you would know that if you experienced it. If I wanted ti impress anyone I would simply google my name

BTW, it was a one-hopper, line drive to my glove side.

Listen bro, I admit I wasn't a top prospect but I did get drafted out of high school (even though I was a low round pick, 23rd round by the Rockies). I didn't sign and they did a draft and follow. There's no real money up front for a 23rd rounder and I had a couple of good D1 offers. I went to Fresno State on a ride and had a great time and decent run there. I know what the competition is out there and I know how rare a legit mid 90's gun is. Every team we played had one maybe two but that's out of a dozen pitchers and that is at the D1 level. I played with Jeff Weaver and he threw gas and was only hitting the low 90's. I did not get drafted after college so I obviously didn't have major league ability but I did start 4 years in the infield at a major basesall coolege program. I admit I called BS on the cat that claimed 94 as an 11th grader. It's kinda like all the guys that claim to have a 9" cock, reading this board you'd think 9" was average. haha. I didn't however call BS on you throwing a guy out from cf. I just asked if he was crawling because even on a one hopper to shallow center you'd have to be damn slow to get thrown out.

 

[southpaw45]

I believe you twisted. I played varsity baseball in Houston for 3 years. Now days it is not uncommon to have multiple pitchers throwing 90+ On my team alone we had a kid who topped out at 94 the summer of his sophomore year. We also had a freshmen who threw 88-92. My jr. year our number one and two was consistent 88-91. And we also had me as a lefty 86-89 in highschool. This just goes to show that it is not uncommon to have pitchers throwing that hard - 5 of us at one school. And believe me we weren't the only school.
And to the guy that sayed scouts were cheering that is complete bs The closer on my team right now will not throw a fastball under 94 and has topped out at 98 and not once have I seen the scouts cheer when that pops up on their gun.

 

[superchicken1]

Didn't anybody else think the title was funny. It must just be how my brain works but I imediatly had a vision of someone with a jucing machine and baseballs cut in half trying to get the juice out of the balls... okay I know I'm strange.

Anyway, if you have joint/soft tissue damage I would give Adequan a run... it is a miracle drug from what I have read and seen. Appears to greatly reduce the effects of osteoarthritis

SuperChicken1

 

[21gun]

Steroids in baseball....NO WAY!!