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Knights2

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looking for a good anti estrogen and pct for cycle of Test E 500 mgs a week...Deca 400 mgs a week and DBOL 30-35 mgs each day....heard good things of Nolva...ive used Clomid but i got all depsressed and shit from it...i was wondering what else you guys think i could or should use...has anyone used Arimidex by BD...any good? need alot of help so its appreciated thanks guys
 
Knights2 said:
looking for a good anti estrogen and pct for cycle of Test E 500 mgs a week...Deca 400 mgs a week and DBOL 30-35 mgs each day....heard good things of Nolva...ive used Clomid but i got all depsressed and shit from it...i was wondering what else you guys think i could or should use...has anyone used Arimidex by BD...any good? need alot of help so its appreciated thanks guys
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aromasin works great to run during PCT, that or arimidex. nolvadex and clomid should really be ran also.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
as far as an aromatase inhibitor
generally reccomend aromasin or AIFM

if you need super strong estrogen suppression- letrozole
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I've never used or seen someone use AIFM ... Are you guys sayin that it is the only Anti E / PCT that you need when comin off a cycle? What about during cycle to inhibit aromatase - AIFM only there too??

I've used nolv/arm/clom as PCT before ... 1 ED is super easy - is rubbing the AIFM in annoying/messy?
 
AIFM is probably the most preferred Anti-E here at EliteFitness.. it works great, stops gyno, dries out the typical AAS bloat and has a list of other great affects.

AIFM 2pumps/day during cycle and 2 pumps/day post cycle is all the Anti-E most people will ever need.. that is unless they are very sensitive and need something harsh like letrozole..

AIFM is extremely easy to apply, it smells like oranges and dries in about 2 minutes. I never hear any complaints about application.
 
mikefear said:
AIFM is probably the most preferred Anti-E here at EliteFitness.. it works great, stops gyno, dries out the typical AAS bloat and has a list of other great affects.

AIFM 2pumps/day during cycle and 2 pumps/day post cycle is all the Anti-E most people will ever need.. that is unless they are very sensitive and need something harsh like letrozole..

AIFM is extremely easy to apply, it smells like oranges and dries in about 2 minutes. I never hear any complaints about application.
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Well, I'm sold... Thanks fear!
 
I typically use Arimidex on a cycle and Aromasin after one. Most people who have used both agree that aromasin is too weak to use on a cycle (although numbers-wise in studies, it appears as strong as Arimidex, in reality most people don't find it to be).
 
AIFM and proviron have kept my super dry on heavy test and var.
I usually swole up when on over 500mg test/wk, but not this time.
Letro is too strong IMO. But good to have on hand just in case you are very gyno prone.
 
iHulk said:
AIFM and proviron have kept my super dry on heavy test and var.
I usually swole up when on over 500mg test/wk, but not this time.
Letro is too strong IMO. But good to have on hand just in case you are very gyno prone.
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Proviron also works for me. Topical AI's haven't impressed me as a primary AI, though as a secondary, they're ok. Letro is a last resort for me.
 
iHulk said:
AIFM and proviron have kept my super dry on heavy test and var.
I usually swole up when on over 500mg test/wk, but not this time.
Letro is too strong IMO. But good to have on hand just in case you are very gyno prone.
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can you elaborate on the too strong part? i never used an AI before, so thas' why i'm askin'.
 
Coming off 600 test-e ew cycle, with d-bol bump for the first 3 weeks. Arimadex, HCG, and clomid pct working excellent... :)
 
HumanTarget said:
can you elaborate on the too strong part? i never used an AI before, so thas' why i'm askin'.
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it suppressed my libido and made me feel too lethargic. But again, strong anti-e.
 
iHulk said:
it suppressed my libido and made me feel too lethargic. But again, strong anti-e.
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ah. ok. my libido is gone cause of Lexapro. so my dick is just for show...
 
HumanTarget said:
can you elaborate on the too strong part? i never used an AI before, so thas' why i'm askin'.
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to add to the libido issue that ihulk mentioned the dry tendons and joints from too much estrogen suppression are also quite unpleasant.
 
macrophage69alpha said:
to add to the libido issue that ihulk mentioned the dry tendons and joints from too much estrogen suppression are also quite unpleasant.
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hmmm. plus the 75mg winny ED, would be part of the problem, too.
 
as a note- letrozole is a potent AI, if thats what you need then its a good choice, though many find it too be just too strong because of its near total suppression of estrogen. Dex is often too weak on the other hand because it strongly suppresses the weaker estrogenic metabolites and poorly suppresses the stronger ones. at high doses 20mg affects of dex are similar to 2.5mg letro.
 
If AIFM didn't work well as an AI on a test cycle (4 pumps/day), can it be expected to help reduce/eliminate estrogen gyno once established? Letro just isn't working for me to get rid of my gyno.........
 
really varies. the inhibition of 5 beta reductase, which AIFM does and letro does not, may be the differential that leads to treatment success over letrozole (though letrozole is certainly a stronger inhbitor at commonly used dosages)
 
I think AIFM is a great product. It works for me. I must say however that a member of this board sent me and I'm sure plenty of others, pictures of serious rashes/blisters that he sustained as a result of using AIFM. I guess he is one of the few that are allergic to it, period. Any input from anyone else or is this an isolated incident?
 
the formula has been adjusted significantly to reduce the risk of allergic reaction and/or irritation which in the initial run was just under 5% having some irritiation, with 1-2% having irritation or reaction that required discontinuation. With topical hormones, including prescription topical test, there is a risk of dermal reaction either from the transdermal or the actives themselves. ie,. androgel has a 5-6% rate of skin reactions that requires discontinuation.

With the new formulation and proper site rotation and even application of the solution, less than 1% of users report any kind of irritation.
 
as a note- application to feet, except at night (before bed- not before going out clubbing :p ), is no longer reccomended because of irritation issues that have arisen. the top of feet are really permeable but they may/are exposed to conditions that make such application not viable..... ie. putting on then putting socks (which may have irritating detergent residues), then heavy shoes or work boots, followed by a hot/exertion laden day (creating a very hot/wet/unpleasant/irritating environment at the site of application).
 
macrophage69alpha said:
as a note- application to feet, except at night (before bed- not before going out clubbing :p ), is no longer reccomended because of irritation issues that have arisen. the top of feet are really permeable but they may/are exposed to conditions that make such application not viable..... ie. putting on then putting socks (which may have irritating detergent residues), then heavy shoes or work boots, followed by a hot/exertion laden day (creating a very hot/wet/unpleasant/irritating environment at the site of application).
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thanks for the candor and tips :beer:
 
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