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Mr.X
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tommboy said:
Aromasin is a type I AI (suicidal AI) - it binds aromatase irreversibly.
Arimidex and letrozole are class II AIs, which work by competitive inhibition of aromatase.
Letrozole (femara) is the STRONGES AI (anti-E) on the market by far. It's the best for reducing/getting rid of gyno and keeping bloat down.
Then we have SERMs (selective estrogen receptor modulator), like nolvadex, which acts like estrogen with some tissues but block the effect of estrogen with other tissues.
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Mr.X
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tommboy said:
A lot of people ask about lipid levels and anti-Es; I'll tell you right off the bat - lipid levels are going to take a hit on your cycle no matter what. For most individuals, especially if you're not gyno/estrogen prone, arimidex works great, but for the gyno/estrogen prone, it's best to go with the strogest anti-E out there - letrozle (femara).
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Mr.X
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tommboy said:
Why do you want to use letro year round bro?
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Mr.X
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tommboy said:
If you're gyno prone, stick with letrozole. Just cut your cycles to 12 weeks, you wont have a problem.
I have a question on this subject, as well...
What about guys who stay on test all year long? ( a "maintenance" dose to bridge between cycle) What can they safely do to combat gyno?
What about guys who stay on test all year long? ( a "maintenance" dose to bridge between cycle) What can they safely do to combat gyno?
Ulter said:They can do what I do since I am on all year. Use AIFM every day.
lol - ok. so do you use AIFM by itself when just maintaining? If so, what would you say is a reasonable year-round dosage of test where AIFM could be used alone?
Also, I have read of instances where AIFM kills sex drive. Is this due to higher dosing of AIFM when used with a more androgenic stack?
Ulter said:
good. that answers my questions. just don't feel that taking Armidex year round is very good for anyone.
I think I asked you a few questions about AIFM in another thread. I received a PM and a karma message after I posted, telling me to be careful (like I was going to take it) because they had experienced a loss of sex drive. I realize this might have had nothing to do with AIFM because I have no idea what else these guys were taking. that's why I asked you.
tommboy said:
AF store. click on the link in his sig.
tommboy said:
thelion2005 is on HRT - test, hgh, dex. He's 62, tho...and probably takes a very conservative dose. You might ask him what his dosages are.
tommboy said:
keep in mind that these drugs are used to treat breast cancer patients, and those woman take these drugs for 2 years or more. I read on one of the breast cancer websites that doctors are switching patients who have been on the same anti-e for an extended period to another, because their bodies become resistant to the drug after prolonged use. Most were started on Nolvadex and switched to Arimidex.
You should check out a few of theses sites. While they pertain mostly to women, it will give you some insight and better understanding of how anti-e's work.
www.breastcancer.org
www.arimidex.com
www.nolvadex.com
http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/144/144154_time_to_switch_cancer_drugs.html
there are many others. Google it.
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Mr.X
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tommboy said:
Letrozole is the way to go bro.
the-short-one, here is a good HRT Article thelion2005 did.
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Mr.X
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tommboy said:
They are usually on anti-Es for years at a time, so I wouldn't put you in the same position. You can cycle your anti-Es, from let's say letrozole for 3 months, to aromasin for 3 months. However, from experience a low dose of an anti-E like letrozole over 16+ week cycles will work just as well the last day as the first day.
macrophage69alpha
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the cancers become resistant to the drugs, not the aromatase system. This is not particularly applicable to bodybuilder usage
there are other pathways by which oestrogens are formed and PR activation is a common issue
there are other pathways by which oestrogens are formed and PR activation is a common issue
narshh
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tommboy said:
I had the same issue. A-dex at .5 per day was not cutting it. I went to 1g per day and still was bloated as hell. Right away I ordered some aromasin but by the time 2 weeks went by the 1g was pretty much doing the trick. I did notice a slight increase in water retention consistently two days after my once per week cyp inject but it is nominal and seemingly noticeable to only me. I look fantastic right now.
Know where I can get an underwear modeling job?
I found another article on arimidex vs. tamofixen that contradicts what I posted earlier. ...but it explains how they work in different ways.
http://www.providence.org/oregon/he...breast_cancer_center/askanexpert_brc_atac.htm
...but it explains how they work in different ways.http://www.providence.org/oregon/he...breast_cancer_center/askanexpert_brc_atac.htm
Wait it's toxic? I didnt know that if you took it orally it was toxic. The reason I do not like using sprays is because a long long time ago I took those prohormones that were in spray form. It was such a pain in the ass, it didn't dry you had to use gloves or it would get in your eyes. Whereever your sprayed the hair grew 10 fold. Is this like that?
Ulter said:Are you kidding me? You'd rather drink toxic alcohol then spray a couple sprays on your arms? AIFM is much easier, cheaper, legal, and effective.
I assume you use deodorant every day. Does that bother you?
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Mr.X
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tommboy said:
RCs have a little alcohol in them, but most processed food you consume has about 20 times more. Keep in mind the food you eat has alcohol in it, so this is just an over inflated topic. Don't worry about, you're probably going with no more then 1/2 of a ml per day, which is nothing major.
tommboy said:
the reason I'm interested is because my boyfriend will be running test (and hgh) continuously, and I'm concerned about arimidex and it's effect on hdl.
I think arimidex has it's place when on a heavy cycle with more androgens, but should only be used for the duration of that cycle. (this is just my opinion based on my own research.) I'm going to take Ulter's advice and have him try the AIFM. I think health should probably take a priority over a like or dislike for a spray, and I have faith in the safety of AF products.
Mr.X said:
thanks! I'm going to read it right now...
Ulter said:
is there any answer for this, or is it just considered part of the risk?
It's part of the risk. But you know what? Lipid profiles are not a very good indicator of future heart disease for athletes. They are fine for people who have a sedentary lifestyle but that lifestyle is the main contributing factor. Most of the research showing lipid profiles are an indicator of future CAD were done by the people who sell statin drugs.the-short-one said:
I don't really put much faith in it and neither are bleeding edge cardiologist these days.
Thank you my main concern was the lipids and which one will hurt me the most, then comes cost/ how effective they are. Since letro and aromasin is no more harmfull then AIFM. Im going to go with trying them all out eventually and seeing which one suits me best. I will begin with letro of course because it is the most cheaply priced. And would rather down it with all the other pills I take instead of using a lotion.
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