Another Tren Thread

[beachstud]

Dude, I was following that novel "did tren transform your body" for like 3 years
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...did-trenbolone-tranform-your-body-590089.html
and then it kinda fizzled. Well, I'm just getting started and I've got some sharing to do!

I'm 19 days in and really starting to see the transformation. I'm leaning down and cutting. Muscles just feel hard and tight and I fucking look amazing! (I also feel modest). Libido is through the roof fucking awesome:
500 Test E/wk (2x250)
50 Tren A ed
Dost
Adex
PCT will be HCG + Adex.

It seems like a lot longer than <3 weeks b/c of the ed injects and the emotional roller coaster rides. That part's not bad (yet), I just feel extremely strong about my position on things. What little maturity I have gained as an adult really bailed my ass out a few times this week. The kind of thing where everything in your body is telling you to send that email saying fuckoff to whoever, but your training and discipline steps in and says, "dude remember you shot yourself this morning with tren? Might want to just step back a sec before you throw the remote at the plasma b/c DirecTV blinked out in the final 2 minutes of the Laker/Celtics game. Mmmmkay?"

One thing I want to pass on that a good bro on here taught me a while back is to back-load a slin-pin for ed injects.

The 29 ga needle of a slin pin would be way too hard to draw the oil with, so you load up an 18ga or whatever you have. Then pull out the plunger of the slin pin and backfill with the loaded 18 ga. After you fill, gently put the plunger back in and wait for the air bubble to get to the top of the needle. Push out the air and voila! You can prep a week's worth of slin pins at a time so they're all ready to go for ed injects. If you're married like me it makes for much more convenient (and fast) sticks.

Alright, so there's my tren thread. Definitely do 2 or 3 inj cycles 1st before you try Tren. It's manageable but I wouldn't want this to be my 1st cyc.

 

[Burpees]

Wow, awesome post. I'm on my fourth day of 125mg Test Cyp and 100mg Tren Ace EOD. I went with EOD because of the Cyp. Prop was really expensive and I was worried about the possible injection pain. I thought it was too soon to feel it, I sure as hell don't see it yet. I did put in a lot more volume in my last two work outs but strength is the same. I definitely feel a bit stronger on my position on things - and i'm already a loud mouth sob, my confidence is up too. In fact everything you're saying correlates with the last 72hrs of my life. Lol.. This is my first cycle ever.

I came on here looking for diet advice and training advice for while on cycle.. Like should I focus on lagging body part or over all growth and stimulation like ive been doing. Do I keep cycling my carbs, or eat more carbs all around and over stuff myself on weekends.. If I feel good should I train again, recovery should feel faster soon.. I guess I know most of my answers but I need advice from people who have done it.

You're already on your Dost and Adex???

 

[Big A]

Dont think tren was such good idea for a first cycle, sides are hard to handle first time around. But ya, bout to start a test p,tren a, deca cycle tommorow, cant wait.

 

[halfcenturian]

Tren is as much mental as it is physical. Hence the danger. You may not be able to mentally handle daily situations. It's like starting out drinking by doing shots of Jack. Drink some beer the first few times so you know what being drunk is like.
If you are mentally strong and are fully aware of all the possible bad sides, and think you can handle it... then I say DON'T DO IT ANYWAY for your first cycle.

 

[beachstud]

Wow, awesome post. I'm on my fourth day of 125mg Test Cyp and 100mg Tren Ace EOD. I went with EOD because of the Cyp. Prop was really expensive and I was worried about the possible injection pain. I thought it was too soon to feel it, I sure as hell don't see it yet. I did put in a lot more volume in my last two work outs but strength is the same. I definitely feel a bit stronger on my position on things - and i'm already a loud mouth sob, my confidence is up too. In fact everything you're saying correlates with the last 72hrs of my life. Lol.. This is my first cycle ever.

I came on here looking for diet advice and training advice for while on cycle.. Like should I focus on lagging body part or over all growth and stimulation like ive been doing. Do I keep cycling my carbs, or eat more carbs all around and over stuff myself on weekends.. If I feel good should I train again, recovery should feel faster soon.. I guess I know most of my answers but I need advice from people who have done it.

You're already on your Dost and Adex???

Thanks bro. Love the other guy's analogy about doing shots of jack. Couldn't have said it better myself. Whatever, it's ace so if you end up having too many sides just stop.

Just after I wrote the initial post I did my twice weekly Test/Tren shot and got my first experience with Tren cough. Pretty gnarley but you just have to wait it out. Kinda scary.

Mood swings have beeen totally out of control. I've tried to put a lid on it but I am having a tough time. It was a rough weekend guys but I'm feeling good. Everybody remember to keep your head on straight with this shit!!!

 

[Go For Gains]

Thanks bro. Love the other guy's analogy about doing shots of jack. Couldn't have said it better myself. Whatever, it's ace so if you end up having too many sides just stop.

Just after I wrote the initial post I did my twice weekly Test/Tren shot and got my first experience with Tren cough. Pretty gnarley but you just have to wait it out. Kinda scary.

Mood swings have beeen totally out of control. I've tried to put a lid on it but I am having a tough time. It was a rough weekend guys but I'm feeling good. Everybody remember to keep your head on straight with this shit!!!

Welcome to the dark side!

 

[cobracock1979]

Hey Bro,

Good tip with the Slin - what muscle u pinning? What length needle?

 

[alexl2]

Beachstud, how much has your strength gone up?

 

[fisttotheface]

good thread!

 

[beachstud]

Cobra(cock): I'm using a 29ga slin pin which I think is 5/8". Definitely on the short side so you have to sink it all the way. I hit delts and occasionally quads. There can't be more than 1/4" of body fat in my delts and I'm about 12% at the moment. It's IM but not by much.

Alex: Strength is great, although could be the test. I just hired a personal trainer who is helping me cut. He's got me doing a lot of 20 rep exercises to shock the muscle etc., so I'm not able to chart progress on max lbs. I've always tried to bulk on cycle and this is my first shot at cutting. So far so good. Already have abs popping out and I've clearly gained muscle and dropped about 2 lbs. overall weight. My 31" waist pants almost fit again--poor man's dunk tank!

I'm sitting here talking about it and I just noticed sweat running down my chest and back and forehead. It's maybe 70 degrees in here. I love it! I'm the asshole that never brings a towel to wipe down machines but I had to today. Haven't had any night sweats really. Sex w the wife has been a drench-fest tho. Even with the ceiling fan on I'm covered head to toe in sweat by the end. We just filmed ourselves yesterday afternoon for the hell of it and were cracking up afterwards watching this unbelievable volume of sweat coming off my face.

Speaking of sex, libido has been insanely high. If I don't get at least 2-3 in per day I'm hurtin'. I have to come home from lunch just so I can concentrate in the afternoon. Probably the dostinex that's doing it. Does anyone know what the deal is with those droppers from AG-Guys? What is the dosing? What is an average dose for Adex/Dostinex and how often? I've just been guessing but any input would be appreciated.

 

[beachstud]

Wow, awesome post. I'm on my fourth day of 125mg Test Cyp and 100mg Tren Ace EOD. I went with EOD because of the Cyp. Prop was really expensive and I was worried about the possible injection pain. I thought it was too soon to feel it, I sure as hell don't see it yet. I did put in a lot more volume in my last two work outs but strength is the same. I definitely feel a bit stronger on my position on things - and i'm already a loud mouth sob, my confidence is up too. In fact everything you're saying correlates with the last 72hrs of my life. Lol.. This is my first cycle ever.

I came on here looking for diet advice and training advice for while on cycle.. Like should I focus on lagging body part or over all growth and stimulation like ive been doing. Do I keep cycling my carbs, or eat more carbs all around and over stuff myself on weekends.. If I feel good should I train again, recovery should feel faster soon.. I guess I know most of my answers but I need advice from people who have done it.

You're already on your Dost and Adex???

Dude, just a warning: I've had several roid rages over the last few days. Watch yourself on this shit around week three, it's pretty intense. I'm hoping some of the things that set me off were just situational. It's hard to tell the forest for the trees when you're on this shit.

 

[Burpees]

Dude, just a warning: I've had several roid rages over the last few days. Watch yourself on this shit around week three, it's pretty intense. I'm hoping some of the things that set me off were just situational. It's hard to tell the forest for the trees when you're on this shit.

It's day 8 for me, the start of a new week. I actually don't feel as driven. I'm keeping my cool really well - i'm usually a hot head. Horny, but nothing crazy. Really aggressive in the gym, but that burst of confidence from the start of the week is gone. I assume the Cyp has yet to kick in, by end of week 2-3 I should feel that.

I'm actually in the middle of a divorce, we're cool about it for the most part but sometimes it gets really hectic.. Yesterday was one of those times, she loves to bang heads. I've been so in tune to my feelings and reactions that it was sooo easy to just side step her whole little hissy fit yesterday. I didn't skip a beat, bark, or stand down. It was pretty cool, felt like I handled the situation exceptionally well... I'm trying to remove myself entirely from the situation by next week.. Our arrangements are a little complicated.

I've been coming to terms with it though, its only been a week but feels longer due to the EOD injections.. This shits not loaded up just yet, like you said strap in for week 2-3

You have any rashes or break outs on Tren? I'm getting like a couple of itchy spots on my body like EOD.. the itch comes and goes.. The spots are always the same.. Just wondering. (i'm on a home brew though)

 

[cobracock1979]

It's day 8 for me, the start of a new week. I actually don't feel as driven. I'm keeping my cool really well - i'm usually a hot head. Horny, but nothing crazy. Really aggressive in the gym, but that burst of confidence from the start of the week is gone. I assume the Cyp has yet to kick in, by end of week 2-3 I should feel that.

I'm actually in the middle of a divorce, we're cool about it for the most part but sometimes it gets really hectic.. Yesterday was one of those times, she loves to bang heads. I've been so in tune to my feelings and reactions that it was sooo easy to just side step her whole little hissy fit yesterday. I didn't skip a beat, bark, or stand down. It was pretty cool, felt like I handled the situation exceptionally well... I'm trying to remove myself entirely from the situation by next week.. Our arrangements are a little complicated.

I've been coming to terms with it though, its only been a week but feels longer due to the EOD injections.. This shits not loaded up just yet, like you said strap in for week 2-3

You have any rashes or break outs on Tren? I'm getting like a couple of itchy spots on my body like EOD.. the itch comes and goes.. The spots are always the same.. Just wondering. (i'm on a home brew though)

I get real oily skin first few weeks

 

[Burpees]

I get real oily skin first few weeks

From the Cyp? My back is a little oiler, and my face to. But I have an oily (healthy looking) face.. My back never though, I even have a pimple on one of my shoulder blades..and on my right temple.. I never get zits..

 

[cobracock1979]

Your Q - You have any rashes or break outs on Tren?

 

[treneriffic]

Tren is a weird compound. One day Im ripping my wifes clothes off (literally tearing her clothes) and banging her on the living room floor and the next day I think shes cheating on me (even though she did nothing out of the ordinary) and I want to kill everyone I see.
Im a sex machine when on it but man when I come off the depression and lack of weiner workability really gets me for a couple weeks.

Its a killer strength, fat loss, lean muscle builder though.

 

[beachstud]

Wow teneriffic. Now I'm scared to come off! Does cialis help as a bandaid during those few weeks at least? I've always hated coming off but still seem to maintain decent libido with HCG & Proviron. Hope it works with this.

Nice job on the ex-wife burpee. I hate to break it to you but it may just be too early yet. I felt none of this as few as 3-4 days ago and then WHAM-O, I turned into a real prick.

Just this morning I had a close call, although arguably for a really good reason. There's this fucking homo at the gym who seems to be following me around and checking me out in the locker room when I shower and change and I'm fucking sick of it. I came very close to popping him in the face this morning when he walked by the shower stall still dressed just to see if I was in there.

It was a real close one--I clenched my fist and was about ready to just pop him and then I somehow got control last-minute. We'll be having a little chat tomorrow but in retrospect I'm really glad I didn't do something stupid. My shower problems would seem like child's play if I ended up in jail.

I'm telling you guys, this compound's different. Watch yourselves. I'm going to give it until Sunday and if I keep having these rages I'm going to drop it...

 

[beachstud]

Just a quick update at end of week 3:

I look like a fucking underwear model in the mirror. There's this disconnect when I see myself because I look that good. It's hard to explain. With other compounds the change is more gradual and there's more water. With Tren you just get slammed into this new body that doesn't even look like your own.

I did shoulders today and kind of spooked myself when I took my shirt off in the locker room. I mean there are just veins everywhere and there's this new curl under my pecs, my arms look like a muscle chart and my abs are all popped out.

Sides seem to have calmed down a bit, or maybe I'm learning to deal a little better. If I drink even 1 beer it makes the rage 10x worse. I get that teeth-gritting feeling where I want to throw something... I just feel strong about everything.

Sweating has been a bit more manageable recently and libido is still sky-high. This is definitely the Mercedes of aas...

 

[HAYEZ]

Just a quick update at end of week 3:

I look like a fucking underwear model in the mirror. There's this disconnect when I see myself because I look that good. It's hard to explain. With other compounds the change is more gradual and there's more water. With Tren you just get slammed into this new body that doesn't even look like your own.

I did shoulders today and kind of spooked myself when I took my shirt off in the locker room. I mean there are just veins everywhere and there's this new curl under my pecs, my arms look like a muscle chart and my abs are all popped out.

Sides seem to have calmed down a bit, or maybe I'm learning to deal a little better. If I drink even 1 beer it makes the rage 10x worse. I get that teeth-gritting feeling where I want to throw something... I just feel strong about everything.

Sweating has been a bit more manageable recently and libido is still sky-high. This is definitely the Mercedes of aas...

im on my first run with tren also and have to say i couldnt ask for more...im debating just running prop and tren for all cycles for good ...lolol
good luck !

 

[beachstud]

im on my first run with tren also and have to say i couldnt ask for more...im debating just running prop and tren for all cycles for good ...lolol
good luck !

Yeah, I agree. I'm running Test E b/c that's what I had. Makes for quicker daily injects but I've heard faster-acting Test is sweet. Notice any difference?

 

[khemix]

The first few weeks that it hits you are the toughest. You adjust. The night sweats are what fucks with me the most.

You really should try Tren Enanthate. I've ran Acetate numerous times and I must say that the enanthate is marginally better. The sides I experienced were half as bad as with acetate and the end results were actually better!

I've got a thing for tren .

welcome to the club.

 

[HAYEZ]

Yeah, I agree. I'm running Test E b/c that's what I had. Makes for quicker daily injects but I've heard faster-acting Test is sweet. Notice any difference?

i like both test e and prop,but i feel i get better results off prop at smaller dose...not sure why test e i can do 750 ew, prop 100mg eod i like it the same feel same results

 

[beachstud]

The first few weeks that it hits you are the toughest. You adjust. The night sweats are what fucks with me the most.

You really should try Tren Enanthate. I've ran Acetate numerous times and I must say that the enanthate is marginally better. The sides I experienced were half as bad as with acetate and the end results were actually better!

I've got a thing for tren .

welcome to the club.

Yeeahh boooyyyy! What's up Khemix? Haven't been here in a while. Good to see you're still around. Yup, I'm on the tren wagon. Pretty cool I must say. Sides are definitely calming down now that I'm starting week 4 but it's still a ride sometimes.

I'll look at enan next time. I was just afraid of the week long purgatory if I couldn't handle sides, etc. In a sick way I kind of enjoy the daily injects.

 

[khemix]

Yeeahh boooyyyy! What's up Khemix? Haven't been here in a while. Good to see you're still around. Yup, I'm on the tren wagon. Pretty cool I must say. Sides are definitely calming down now that I'm starting week 4 but it's still a ride sometimes.

I'll look at enan next time. I was just afraid of the week long purgatory if I couldn't handle sides, etc. In a sick way I kind of enjoy the daily injects.

I've also always done EOD shots and never had a problem. I swear that sides are more apparent when doing ED shots, though the theory of steadier blood levels says otherwise.

And the tren enth didn't hit me all at once like the acetate does. It was a steadier, more gradual overall increase. The biggest difference I noticed was the sides were half as bad and the rage was much more subtle and controllable.

Seriously, don't let the tren effect your relationships. You gotta keep yourself in check. Its happened to countless people, myself included, without even really knowing its happening. Tren is as strong as it gets and its up to the user to be responsible enough to know whether he can or cant handle it emotionally.

I've been around the board, mostly lurking, for the past few months. I've had some personal shit going on in my life, damn near breaking me. I've fallen off the wagon a little bit over the past month but I'll be back .

Good to see your doing well man. Just keep the tren-face under control!!

Chris

 

[beachstud]

I've also always done EOD shots and never had a problem. I swear that sides are more apparent when doing ED shots, though the theory of steadier blood levels says otherwise.

And the tren enth didn't hit me all at once like the acetate does. It was a steadier, more gradual overall increase. The biggest difference I noticed was the sides were half as bad and the rage was much more subtle and controllable.

Seriously, don't let the tren effect your relationships. You gotta keep yourself in check. Its happened to countless people, myself included, without even really knowing its happening. Tren is as strong as it gets and its up to the user to be responsible enough to know whether he can or cant handle it emotionally.

I've been around the board, mostly lurking, for the past few months. I've had some personal shit going on in my life, damn near breaking me. I've fallen off the wagon a little bit over the past month but I'll be back .

Good to see your doing well man. Just keep the tren-face under control!!

Chris

That's cool man. Sorry to hear you're going through a rough patch. That is what it is btw: a rough patch. There's nothing anyone can do or say to help if you're in that place. Just know plenty of us have been there and lived to tell about it. Sorry you're dealing with the heavy shit.

That's interesting about the enan being more slow and even. Makes plenty of sense to me. Maybe I'll try eod on the next run. Did I say next run?

 

[cobracock1979]

BTW

Im on enantate - been on 7 weeks and stayin on another 3.

I sleep like a baby, only once have I noticed my temper goin. Apart from oily skin and tiredness first few weeks its been great.

plus its 200mg/ml which is cool. Runnin with prop

 

[khemix]

That's cool man. Sorry to hear you're going through a rough patch. That is what it is btw: a rough patch. There's nothing anyone can do or say to help if you're in that place. Just know plenty of us have been there and lived to tell about it. Sorry you're dealing with the heavy shit.

That's interesting about the enan being more slow and even. Makes plenty of sense to me. Maybe I'll try eod on the next run. Did I say next run?

The support helps bro. Thank you. Gimme a little bit more time and I'll be back to my normal self .

Im definantly tren enanthate man now. I just have a hard time finding it.

And cock, why did you choose to run the prop when shoot the tren enanthate? How come you didn't run a longer test ester?

 

[cobracock1979]

Hey Chem,

I just like prop is all. My source gets real good stuff and no sting, next cycle gonna run test e/ tren e/var.

 

[Steem]

hey all!
Thanks a lot to all of you for great responses!

This is the first time me trying out tren ace relatively small dosage only 150 mg/wk, however I hope that will do the thing.. will try to keep u updated..

this is my third cycle and it looks like this

1-10 tren ace 150/wk
1-10 test Prop. 200 mg/wk
1-10 EQ boldenone 400 mg/ wk

all injections done twice a week.. so far i'm on 3rd week, everything feels greart no sides so far...

 

[treneriffic]

I personally wont run tren for longer than 6 weeks. That shit shuts you down hardcore. Anything more than 6-8 weeks is too much in my opinion. Also, having brown piss kinda makes me think my kidneys dont like it that much either.

 

[beachstud]

I personally wont run tren for longer than 6 weeks. That shit shuts you down hardcore. Anything more than 6-8 weeks is too much in my opinion. Also, having brown piss kinda makes me think my kidneys dont like it that much either.

Brown piss. Interesting. Have you tried drinking more water?

 

[Steem]

I personally wont run tren for longer than 6 weeks. That shit shuts you down hardcore. Anything more than 6-8 weeks is too much in my opinion. Also, having brown piss kinda makes me think my kidneys dont like it that much either.

so far haven't notice that at all.. lot of water intake..

 

[nzrodney]

Beachstud, glad you having some fun on Tren. Been advocating pinning with slins for ED injections for some time so glad you had good result with this. Emotionally, Tren is a roller coaster ride. Your moods are evident & so is your anger. Nice to see you have things in check. Dostinex is the answer with progs @ .5mg twice weekly & as you have found out keeps the sex drive in overdrive!!

 

[nzrodney]

Cock up

 

[Burpees]

I personally wont run tren for longer than 6 weeks. That shit shuts you down hardcore. Anything more than 6-8 weeks is too much in my opinion. Also, having brown piss kinda makes me think my kidneys dont like it that much either.

Do you also take L-Glutamine? I know two people who have pissed brown, their only supps are multi's, whey, and l-glutamine..they both cut the glutamine and they are back on track.. these dudes are fire fighters..

About the shut down, im on day 11 or 12, my nuts are pretty tight. Like my left nut is normal sized, the right one is a bit atrophied, my ball sack looks like its dry. lol..

But other than that? I get a little spooked when something creeps around a corner, I also seem to have a raging libido that sort of effects my attitude and my aggressiveness in the gym. In all honesty I feel MUCH less tense the days I;m lifting (mon-fri) than the days I'm not (sat/sun).

No sweats, no more itching, no uncontrollable rage, no crazy thoughts (at least nothing out of the norm)...horny as fuck, and every gash calls my attention.. I think my Cyp just started kicking in..

Airimidex @ .5eod & Dostinex @ .5 e3/4d..

 

[Crysis6]

Started back up with the tren, i couldnt stay away from it, gonna finish off this long cycle with 6 weeks. Using Ace for the first time now, and between that, and week 9 of sust and EQ...my libido is raging. I have 2 gf's for the time being, so ive been alternating nights to keep myself in check. Aside from having a shit load to remember, like who i did what with when... its great. 7 more weeks of being on..gotta make it count since Im probably gonna take 6 months to a year off.

To all those who it applies.. Happy Fathers Day!!

 

[treneriffic]

Brown piss. Interesting. Have you tried drinking more water?

Come to think of it the last time I ran tren I was all out of whack with nutrition and water. So that could be why. Also I was drinking too much alcohol (one of the worst things you can do on a cycle especially one with tren)..which is weird because I never drink but for some reason when I was running my last test prop/tren cycle all I wanted to do was lift and party.

I will not let myself fall into that again.

 

[beachstud]

Started back up with the tren, i couldnt stay away from it, gonna finish off this long cycle with 6 weeks. Using Ace for the first time now, and between that, and week 9 of sust and EQ...my libido is raging. I have 2 gf's for the time being, so ive been alternating nights to keep myself in check. Aside from having a shit load to remember, like who i did what with when... its great. 7 more weeks of being on..gotta make it count since Im probably gonna take 6 months to a year off.

To all those who it applies.. Happy Fathers Day!!

I love it dude. On my 2nd cyc two years ago (I think it was Test/Eq) I had three girlfriends, or booty calls--whatever--for about 2 months straight. I would fuck 5 times a day and on several occasions hit all three of them in the same day. It was an unbelievable run. Lost one when she tapped on my window at 1:00 in the morning trying to get some ass and I was knee deep in another puss. The other one found a movie ticket on the floor from a night when I said I was working. Then I met my beautiful hot-ass wife and it was all over after that.

Can't believe I'm saying this but, being married to the right woman makes those days seem like a joke. Don't get me wrong, it was fun, but nothing can replace the real deal.

 

[beachstud]

BTW, sides seem to have subsided dramatically. I'm still horny as a goat but emotions are in check and insomnia is non-existent. I guess it was just an adjustment period coupled with one HELL of a shitty week at work.

 

[Crysis6]

I was like fuckin patrick ewing last night...im not one to usually sweat too much..but i was fucking one of em last night and sweat was pouring off of me.. I had on a grey tank top and we went outside to smoke a cigarette, she asked me if i spilled water on myself. lol I was like nah, this is your fault. Only problem now is i got scratch marks all over my sides and got the other one coming over after work. I had run tren mix and didnt get sweats like that no matter what i was doing...

PS- I feel u with the wife thing, and i wanna cut it down to one cuz they are both hot, and both good girls... for the most part. I just cant make up my mind so im switching back and forth...hopefully i dont get caught and fuck em both up.

 

[SMALLSUCKS702]

How about some pics to see the progress ?

 

[khemix]

BTW, sides seem to have subsided dramatically. I'm still horny as a goat but emotions are in check and insomnia is non-existent. I guess it was just an adjustment period coupled with one HELL of a shitty week at work.

I told ya that the first couple weeks were the worst. Glad to see everything is settling down. The more tren cycles you do, the easier it should get to control. As long as your doses are reasonable, of course.

Enjoy

Chris

 

[beachstud]

Thanks Khemix. You were right. Maybe Enan is the way to go too.

Yeah the sweat's kinda ridiculous. I've been nutting really quickly because of the Dost so I only just soak both of our bodies. When we had a marathon a few weeks ago it was disgusting. The bedsheets and the pad were absolutely soaked. It had to be 2 liters of sweat...

Re: pictures I'll try to get at least some cameraphone pics asap. Took 6 mos off for shoulder surgery so it may not be all that impressive. I guess we'll see! I wish I had taken some before this cyc when I was down 12 lbs. I looked like a pencil-dick faggot. It's good to be BACK!!

 

[Burpees]

I told ya that the first couple weeks were the worst. Glad to see everything is settling down. The more tren cycles you do, the easier it should get to control. As long as your doses are reasonable, of course.

Enjoy

Chris

Dude i'm almost at week 3 and still no real sides.. I see the fat loss starting to pick up.. I am a hot head when not On, no issues so far On cycle. Strength is up, cardio is down.. Dunno what else I should be looking for? I sleep fine, I do get a little hot near bed time.. Or a little faster than everyone around me out in the middle of the day...but it was much worse and yet still tolerable on DNP..

Wondering if its very under dosed?

 

[khemix]

Dude i'm almost at week 3 and still no real sides.. I see the fat loss starting to pick up.. I am a hot head when not On, no issues so far On cycle. Strength is up, cardio is down.. Dunno what else I should be looking for? I sleep fine, I do get a little hot near bed time.. Or a little faster than everyone around me out in the middle of the day...but it was much worse and yet still tolerable on DNP..

Wondering if its very under dosed?

Underdosed perhaps. How much are you running and of what ester? I know on my 5th tren cycle I'm still using 100mg/eod and getting night sweats. I respond great to tren and tolerate the sides well. You may just tolerate it well. And if thats the case, thank your lucky stars .

And keep an eye on that temper. It can come out of nowhere.

You should be looking for muscle fullness, strength, vascularity, and increased red blood cell count (flush skin, etc). Insomnia isn't extremely common but night sweats are.

If you're running enanthate then it just hasn't quite hit you yet.

Chris

 

[Burpees]

Underdosed perhaps. How much are you running and of what ester? I know on my 5th tren cycle I'm still using 100mg/eod and getting night sweats. I respond great to tren and tolerate the sides well. You may just tolerate it well. And if thats the case, thank your lucky stars .

And keep an eye on that temper. It can come out of nowhere.

You should be looking for muscle fullness, strength, vascularity, and increased red blood cell count (flush skin, etc). Insomnia isn't extremely common but night sweats are.

If you're running enanthate then it just hasn't quite hit you yet.

Chris

I wake up with a nasty pump, arms, chest, and legs are very vascular most of the day.. I am flushed looking later in the day, and feel hot. I'm taking 1ml EOD, it's supposed to be @ 100mg/mL.. It's home brew Tren Ace from fina, done by yours truly. I mean it has to be at least 75/mg/mL.. Along with 500mg/wk of Test Cyp (125mg EOD).. I feel it at the gym, my strength is up. I get sleepy mid day which is rare for me.. I mean I feel different, I guess since it's my first cycle I don't have much to go on. I do feel the slight aggression but it's controllable, I can see how certain situations can make it harder to manage.

Also sex is really good lately, i'm on .5ml EOD of Adex and .5ml of Dost on Mon/Thur..

I also have a couple bottles of Trenject I know are legit. I guess I can run those to compare? It may be too soon or like you say I may be lucky..

 

[khemix]

You're good bro. If you made it yourself then you know its legit. Like you said, its atleast 75mg/ml so you're good. It sounds like you tolerate it well so far.

You gotta remember though that beachstud has been shooting ED. Theres a major difference in the two, I feel. I've noticed that sides are a bit more prominent (as are gains) in people that should ED as compared to EOD.

Beachstud - maybe next tren cycle, try shooting eod and see if you notice a difference?

I wake up with a nasty pump, arms, chest, and legs are very vascular most of the day.. I am flushed looking later in the day, and feel hot. I'm taking 1ml EOD, it's supposed to be @ 100mg/mL.. It's home brew Tren Ace from fina, done by yours truly. I mean it has to be at least 75/mg/mL.. Along with 500mg/wk of Test Cyp (125mg EOD).. I feel it at the gym, my strength is up. I get sleepy mid day which is rare for me.. I mean I feel different, I guess since it's my first cycle I don't have much to go on. I do feel the slight aggression but it's controllable, I can see how certain situations can make it harder to manage.

Also sex is really good lately, i'm on .5ml EOD of Adex and .5ml of Dost on Mon/Thur..

I also have a couple bottles of Trenject I know are legit. I guess I can run those to compare? It may be too soon or like you say I may be lucky..

 

[beachstud]

Yeah, that's great advice Khemix and I will go eod next time.

Burpee, I think you may just have a tolerant system or you're not noticing yet. Hormones have a different effect than straight drugs. The effects come out of nowhere, as Khemix said about the rage, and I remember at times it was difficult to detect towards the beginning of my first run through w/test.

Tren so far has been quite noticeable, but only in the last 10 days or so. I'm approaching the end of week 4 so I've got at least a week on you Burpee (started 5/19). We shall see... (can't wait for his first rage story, he he)...

 

[Crysis6]

Im EOD, night sweats are bad... this girl thinks im a sweaty animal.. She found an old empty vial of EQ from last year and started asking questions about why the hell i had some horse drugs. lol Told her what it was, but said im not doin it now. She will just have to deal with the unexplainable sweatiness for a while. Havent had the real lethargy i had when i was running tren mix, but im only 2 pokes into the ace. Feeling strength gains already.. god i love tren. And into week 10 of EQ I cant stop eating. Tren is the only steroid i go through every day looking forward to my next shot. Love it.

 

[beachstud]

That's awesome dude! I know exactly what you mean. Eq was fun but Tren is the bizzomb! I think you'll appreciate this thread I just found from a few years ago...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/e...rts-529754.html

Hilarious.

 

[cobracock1979]

what are your diets Burpees+ beachstud+Khem whilst on trens?

I take it your looking for lean gains. Im on a CKD but I carb load every 4th day. Its good but feel like Im compromising my gains.

My BF is an estimated 12% now - I really want it at 10 in 4 weeks time.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

yeah, tren piss is terrible smelling.

 

[khemix]

what are your diets Burpees+ beachstud+Khem whilst on trens?

I take it your looking for lean gains. Im on a CKD but I carb load every 4th day. Its good but feel like Im compromising my gains.

My BF is an estimated 12% now - I really want it at 10 in 4 weeks time.

I bulk year-round. My most recent diet was 10x cleaner than any before and i noticed a great difference in the way I fely physically.

I'm an extreme ecto and the only kind of weight I put on is either muscle, or a little water. The tren keeps the water weight off me and brings the veins and all out while the test is purely for mass.

Whatever diet you choose, make it clean.

If you've got any other questions, shoot 'em my/our way bro.

Chris

 

[cobracock1979]

Thanks,

I have 4 weeks left on Test e/ tren e - think Im gonna drop the carb cycle and hit a low carb (<150g) mod fat and high protein. All clean and low GI.

Im hoping for a little fat loss but greater gains.

 

[Crysis6]

Yeah, thats still where my diet is at. Last few days has been harder cuz ive been so busy with work, i havent been home to eat normally, and i went to six flags on tuesday and ate like shit, but had no choice cuz I was hungry every hour or so. $10 chicken fingers 3 times in one day is a little ridiculous. Other than that though, ive been keeping carbs way down, moderate fats from nuts and whatnot, and high protein. Also just started cardio last week... I have 6 weeks left, making the most of it. Oh, and strength gains have been ridiculous this week.. repped more than double my body weight on flat bench. Tren is the shit...

 

[beachstud]

what are your diets Burpees+ beachstud+Khem whilst on trens?

I take it your looking for lean gains. Im on a CKD but I carb load every 4th day. Its good but feel like Im compromising my gains.

My BF is an estimated 12% now - I really want it at 10 in 4 weeks time.

Yeah, I'm on the same wagon as you. I'm about 12% now but looking for 9-10 in 2 weeks. Probably not possible but I've been doing a shitload of cardio and high rep lifts. When the compliments start flying then you know the shit's working...

These miniature veggie trays from Costco are really good to snack on and I've been eating a shitload of oatmeal. My problem is I had 4 cheat days this week and it's Thursday... There's just been some damn good food around lately. Oh well, I guess if I'm serious I'll eat like a rabbit for the next two weeks and duck under 10% in time for the 4th.

 

[squatmonkey]

Im on week #5 and my strenght has just made a huge push forward. My workouts are pretty fucking intense right now. I save up what ever aggression Im feeling during the day and explode that shit into my training, I Love this shit!

 

[LiquidPhire]

Tren is a weird compound. One day Im ripping my wifes clothes off (literally tearing her clothes) and banging her on the living room floor and the next day I think shes cheating on me (even though she did nothing out of the ordinary) and I want to kill everyone I see.
Im a sex machine when on it but man when I come off the depression and lack of weiner workability really gets me for a couple weeks.

Its a killer strength, fat loss, lean muscle builder though.

I agree completely I am the same way.

 

[beachstud]

I recently backed off on the Dostinex because of some findings of valvular heart disease. Sex is still rockin but not quite what it was with the Dost. I'm still taking, just a few drops twice a week...

Thinking about adding Clen for the next 2 weeks for a cutting stack. Tren/Test/Clen? Anyone heard anything good or bad about adding Clen?

 

[cobracock1979]

Clen - I just got mine but not sure whether to start. Apparently its most effective with a calorie deficit

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

I almost lost it tonight at a bar... wtf?

 

[cobracock1979]

zzzzzzzzz...wtf indeed

 

[cobracock1979]

PS,

I been on MT2 11 days - the morning wood is unbelievable. This stuff is better than viagra, no kidding

 

[Burpees]

what are your diets Burpees+ beachstud+Khem whilst on trens?

I take it your looking for lean gains. Im on a CKD but I carb load every 4th day. Its good but feel like Im compromising my gains.

My BF is an estimated 12% now - I really want it at 10 in 4 weeks time.

My diet is at least 300g of Protein a day, at least 1 gallon of water, at least 20g of BCAA/EAA's and at least 1lb of fruit. I get most of my pre/post carbs from fruit but I don't skimp if I want a wrap or whatever.. I use Lavash bread which is made from ground oatmeal and flax seed, yet still pretty damn low in carbs. My fat intake is sort of high considering the amount of carbs I take in but I'm doing alright..

I started my cycle at 205lbs, I'm 15 or so days in and I weigh 215lbs but still look 200lbs.. Strength is like way up there, so is stamina. Pumped all day, veins all over.. I'm holding crazy amounts of water I think, and I'm not seeing those crazy fat loss effects you guys get from the Tren.

I have been a little moody these last 2 days, but life has been seriously hectic.. I'm not enjoying my drives in and out of work..


Beachstud, the Dostinex link to heart valve failure is for high doses no?? I'm taking 0.5ml E3D but I can cut it out totally..I don't seem to get progesterone reactions or prolactin issues..It does keep my sex drive up though.. I also take .5ml adex eod..

 

[52_21_30]

Tren fat loss effects are largely dependent on genetics and of course diet. It's not magic. The strength gains you'll get no matter what you do. As i've been saying I've been AAS-free for a year now and am about 85% strength on big lifts compared to when I was taking 3 grams of gear a week (including tren). For me tren gave me some anxiety and bad insomnia/night sweats. However, that being said, if you're going to gear up on a budget (or in general), its hard to beat test and tren, period. Nothing else is really needed. Adjust diet/cardio accordingly for bulk vs cut.

 

[52_21_30]

I almost lost it tonight at a bar... wtf?

You're taking one of the most androgenic substances known to man and likely had some drinks in you to disinhibit your emotions. Sounds about right.


Shouldnt be drinking on gear, esp tren.

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

I almost lost it tonight at a bar... wtf?

set an example for the younger members

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

You're taking one of the most androgenic substances known to man and likely had some drinks in you to disinhibit your emotions. Sounds about right.


Shouldnt be drinking on gear, esp tren.

broseph, I go to (attempt to) country dance, not to drink...

 

[pappad]

Country dancing would make anyone want to fight!!! LOL

 

[FRONT2BACKJACKED]

broseph, I go to (attempt to) country dance, not to drink...

are we talking line dancing? LOL!

 

[beachstud]

PS,

I been on MT2 11 days - the morning wood is unbelievable. This stuff is better than viagra, no kidding

MT2 huh? My poor wife's pussy... I just don't think I could do that to her right now...

 

[beachstud]

I almost lost it tonight at a bar... wtf?

Awesome dude!! Don't you love that rage that come up inside you out of nowhere. it's like the tren hard-wires your temper to your body and you're barely in control.

GOTTA LOVE IT!

 

[beachstud]

My diet is at least 300g of Protein a day, at least 1 gallon of water, at least 20g of BCAA/EAA's and at least 1lb of fruit. I get most of my pre/post carbs from fruit but I don't skimp if I want a wrap or whatever.. I use Lavash bread which is made from ground oatmeal and flax seed, yet still pretty damn low in carbs. My fat intake is sort of high considering the amount of carbs I take in but I'm doing alright..

I started my cycle at 205lbs, I'm 15 or so days in and I weigh 215lbs but still look 200lbs.. Strength is like way up there, so is stamina. Pumped all day, veins all over.. I'm holding crazy amounts of water I think, and I'm not seeing those crazy fat loss effects you guys get from the Tren.

I have been a little moody these last 2 days, but life has been seriously hectic.. I'm not enjoying my drives in and out of work..


Beachstud, the Dostinex link to heart valve failure is for high doses no?? I'm taking 0.5ml E3D but I can cut it out totally..I don't seem to get progesterone reactions or prolactin issues..It does keep my sex drive up though.. I also take .5ml adex eod..

Line dancing. WTF? That's just damned funny. Yes Burp you're correct, it's only for high doses, but it's your heart dude! I'm definitely stick with it, just at minimal amouts. Maybe cut back some more until it loses effectiveness. I'm just saying less is more in the case of Dost now that I read those findings.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

You're taking one of the most androgenic substances known to man and likely had some drinks in you to disinhibit your emotions. Sounds about right.


Shouldnt be drinking on gear, esp tren.

Acutally I cant lie, tonight I had 10 drinks worth of drinks. I'm familiar with what nautica has posted regarding your liver, orals, and drinking, It was stupid, I'm not in college anymore, real shit comes at me real fast while ''on'' fuck this, i have no excuse. I appreciate the callout, I need it.

love ya bro, you're right.

 

[Burpees]

Line dancing. WTF? That's just damned funny. Yes Burp you're correct, it's only for high doses, but it's your heart dude! I'm definitely stick with it, just at minimal amouts. Maybe cut back some more until it loses effectiveness. I'm just saying less is more in the case of Dost now that I read those findings.

I haven't taken my Arimidex since my injection on the 18th. I feel a wee bit bloated. I lost a bit of definition in my upper chest, my face is a little rounder, my jeans are a little snug, not as vascular...seems that my pump is a little harder too. Main thing is my nipples are feeling fine, no itchiness, puffiness or any sort of sensitivity. I'm not sure how long I will continue to bloat for, we'll see if I take the adex again.

I had stopped the dost on 16th, no sides. I started it again on the 22nd taking 5 drops under the tongue of Dostinex daily. I think it's just over 0.1-0.2ml which works out ok for a weekly total. Prolactin is suppressive and literature along with people's experience seem to show dost doesn't hinder gains or have ill affects. Nobody has run it like I'm running it, at least not that i've found. Sex is a little better again just 48hrs in. I care more about keeping the Prolactin/Progesterone issues at bay than my quality of sex right now.

Pretty cool since this is my first cycle I was worried about crazy sides, I mean I could be facing a problem later on during the cycle but it's cool to know I'm not uber sensitive..

Dunno if it's the water retention, or my crazy consumption, but fat loss doesn't seem to be happening.. I'm not getting fatter, but I don't see any leaning happening.

 

[beachstud]

I haven't taken my Arimidex since my injection on the 18th. I feel a wee bit bloated. I lost a bit of definition in my upper chest, my face is a little rounder, my jeans are a little snug, not as vascular...seems that my pump is a little harder too. Main thing is my nipples are feeling fine, no itchiness, puffiness or any sort of sensitivity. I'm not sure how long I will continue to bloat for, we'll see if I take the adex again.

I had stopped the dost on 16th, no sides. I started it again on the 22nd taking 5 drops under the tongue of Dostinex daily. I think it's just over 0.1-0.2ml which works out ok for a weekly total. Prolactin is suppressive and literature along with people's experience seem to show dost doesn't hinder gains or have ill affects. Nobody has run it like I'm running it, at least not that i've found. Sex is a little better again just 48hrs in. I care more about keeping the Prolactin/Progesterone issues at bay than my quality of sex right now.

Pretty cool since this is my first cycle I was worried about crazy sides, I mean I could be facing a problem later on during the cycle but it's cool to know I'm not uber sensitive..

Dunno if it's the water retention, or my crazy consumption, but fat loss doesn't seem to be happening.. I'm not getting fatter, but I don't see any leaning happening.

I don't understand why you stopped the Arimidex? You should have at least a small maintenance dose. You don't want to play defense with this stuff. I think everyone should run an AI while on cycle period.

 

[pappad]

Could you run Tren Ace and Tren E at the same time and Come of the Ace after a couple weeks when the Tren E kicks in?

Just wondering as it would be easier to do my Test with The Tren e twice a week.

Thanks!

 

[Burpees]

I don't understand why you stopped the Arimidex? You should have at least a small maintenance dose. You don't want to play defense with this stuff. I think everyone should run an AI while on cycle period.

Figured less is better if I don't actually have any sides other than some water retention. My diet isn't as clean as it normally is (to allow for a calorie increase) so I understand why i'm holding so much water.

Hrmm.. I bought the shit with the intention to use it the whole cycle.. Not sure now why I'm changing my plan while it's in action. :\ Decisions decisions..

Could you run Tren Ace and Tren E at the same time and Come of the Ace after a couple weeks when the Tren E kicks in?

Just wondering as it would be easier to do my Test with The Tren e twice a week.

Thanks!

If you haven't run Tren before that's a bad idea, what will you do if you experience harsh sides? What would be different if you ran the Ace? Test/TrenE would still need to be injected twice a week, and the Ace EOD minimum.. So that means at least twice a week you would be injecting 2 times in a day..or you'll have 3 days in a row you inject.

I don't think you need to load your Tren, it's strong even at a low dose. IMHO..

 

[Crysis6]

^^^ +1 Dont underestimate tren.. if you are running tren E, just run the tren E and test and you will be plenty happy..no need to front load with ace. Tren is not to be played with.. and if it is your first time, id have run ace so u know whether or not you can deal with the sides. if you cant, they will be gone in 2 days.

 

[beachstud]

Hey Burpees:

I can understand why you would keep A-dex or Aromasin doses small (because your gains will be hindered by too low estrogen) but I wouldn't cut it out completely, especially if you're experiencing that bloat. If you want to maximize your gains just back way off and do a coupla drops with your dost. That would be more proactive in my mind.

 

[cobracock1979]

Just a side note - Im loving tren e/ test e. All the weight seems to have come off at once. Im off keto now and on a low carb (<150g) mod fats.

Next cycle - gonna wait till BF% is around 8% then trene / test e / var/ masteron....anyone tried this?

PS gonna add some more progress pics to the "other" tren thread in the next few days. Wopuld love top see some from somma u other Bro's

 

[Burpees]

Hey Burpees:

I can understand why you would keep A-dex or Aromasin doses small (because your gains will be hindered by too low estrogen) but I wouldn't cut it out completely, especially if you're experiencing that bloat. If you want to maximize your gains just back way off and do a coupla drops with your dost. That would be more proactive in my mind.

Well the Dost so far is going pretty good at 5 drops under my tongue when I wake up. Only been 3 days but I'm not a raging horn ball, so it seems pretty balanced. The Dost is just for prolactin suppression since that does affect gains - if I happen to have sex it's a minor plus.

I decided to drink down 0.5ml of Arimidex around 5pm yesterday before the gym. Man I feel like a new dude today! Vascularity is back, chest looks tighter, gut doesn't protrude so much - my jeans aren't so tight around the quads..calves have some vascularity again.. I'll see how 5 drops a day keeps me if not I'll just run at 0.5ml EOD again..

I think I'd rather bump up to 750mg of Cyp a week than to walk around so puffy..

 

[beachstud]

Well the Dost so far is going pretty good at 5 drops under my tongue when I wake up. Only been 3 days but I'm not a raging horn ball, so it seems pretty balanced. The Dost is just for prolactin suppression since that does affect gains - if I happen to have sex it's a minor plus.

I decided to drink down 0.5ml of Arimidex around 5pm yesterday before the gym. Man I feel like a new dude today! Vascularity is back, chest looks tighter, gut doesn't protrude so much - my jeans aren't so tight around the quads..calves have some vascularity again.. I'll see how 5 drops a day keeps me if not I'll just run at 0.5ml EOD again..

I think I'd rather bump up to 750mg of Cyp a week than to walk around so puffy..

"If I happen to have sex it's a minor plus" ???? I guess people are just different than me...

That's cool man that you tried A-Dex again. Only you know your body so, knowing that too much est suppression could hinder gains, just keep the dosing as light as you can.

The problem I saw with what you were doing is that you had noticeable bloat. That would soon be followed by itchy nipples, followed shortly by gyno--hopefully not the irreversible kind--and then you find yourself playing defense for the rest of your cycle trying to control sides. I prefer a proactive, minimalist approach to AI's (and AAS in general). An ounce of prevention...

 

[Burpees]

"If I happen to have sex it's a minor plus" ???? I guess people are just different than me...

That's cool man that you tried A-Dex again. Only you know your body so, knowing that too much est suppression could hinder gains, just keep the dosing as light as you can.

The problem I saw with what you were doing is that you had noticeable bloat. That would soon be followed by itchy nipples, followed shortly by gyno--hopefully not the irreversible kind--and then you find yourself playing defense for the rest of your cycle trying to control sides. I prefer a proactive, minimalist approach to AI's (and AAS in general). An ounce of prevention...

LOL.. I didn't want to clarify, but I guess I should. I'm in the middle of a divorce, but I still live with her. So sometimes we do bang and it's a far and few between thing, and when we do it turns into an issue...all sorts of awkward. I'm a horny SOB and spend most of my time on the road looking and talking to women, I've yet to start bagging them.. Kind of want to wait till all is said and done and we're doing our own thing till I physically move on.. That's why I say the Tren has been really kind to me, I hope I stay one of those dudes with minimal psychological sides. Yesterday was a pretty tough day, felt wound up most of the day. Some chewing gum and a nice bench session straightened me out.

Right now I'm doing 5 drops of Dostinex every day, and 5 drops of Arimidex everyday. I actually feel a little bloated again today, mainly in the mid section. I'm down to 215 though! My weight is fluctuating like crazy..

I'm not sure how much 5 drops equals to, I know it wont be exact but is it like 0.1ml or 0.2ml or 0.3 etc.. I was going to use the slin pin but the drop from that isn't the same size as the one that comes from the glass dropped in my vials..

You're right though, I don't want to be dealing with the issue once it has a foot hold.. I'd rather prevent..

I'm trying to sign up for that Omega Project, waiting on Frank's call.. Hopefully I can pull some real major changes.. We'll see..

 

[minn u]

You can use the insulin pins in the triceps and biceps too. I have for a while and never had a problem.

 

[beachstud]

I just can't see hitting my biceps or triceps. That's so gnarley. Oh well, maybe I'll try tomorrow...

Yeah, I have the same vial you're talking about Burpee, and I've always had a tough time determining what dosing I'm getting. You'd think they'd put some marcs on the dropper...

I'm kind of bummed about my progress all of a sudden. I dropped the ball a little over the weekend and just haven't felt the same pump as before. I'm trying to cut but not following through on the diet like I should be. I need to get back to low reps high weight and just get jacked for the next 3-4 weeks before it's game over for Tren...

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

I just can't see hitting my biceps or triceps. That's so gnarley. Oh well, maybe I'll try tomorrow...

Yeah, I have the same vial you're talking about Burpee, and I've always had a tough time determining what dosing I'm getting. You'd think they'd put some marcs on the dropper...

I'm kind of bummed about my progress all of a sudden. I dropped the ball a little over the weekend and just haven't felt the same pump as before. I'm trying to cut but not following through on the diet like I should be. I need to get back to low reps high weight and just get jacked for the next 3-4 weeks before it's game over for Tren...

Word to that... me too.

 

[beachstud]

Just went heavy today again (after doing 3x20 reps for about 4 weeks) and fuking loved it!!! My strength is way way up because of the high reps so when I'm only doing 8-10 I can lift a mountain all of a sudden.

Just did 6 reps of 110lb dumbells on incline bench with no spot. I AM ANIMAL~!

 

[beachstud]

Alright, had to revive my own Tren thread. Here's the same post from the other thread:

Alright, here's a basic before/after. The first is a few years ago after I completed a marathon but it's about what I looked at before starting. I had shoulder surgery and was out for 6 months so this pic is about how I looked:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m261/Reikes/Sad.jpg

This next pic is from last week (week 7) of Tren/Test. It's a shitty pic I took after going for a run in the morning. I prob look better in my avitar from '06 because I was all pumped up from the gym and was a little leaner/better lighting, etc. This was the best I could do with shitty treo camera:

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/...es/NewImage.jpg

I just hopped off @ week 8 and plan another 4 wks of Test/Winny. I'm kinda bummed because I'm fatter than I was at week 3-5. I just haven't been able to control my appetite and the sweats/rapid metabolism seemed to die out towards the end of the Tren. I prob should have ramped up the dosing from 50ed to 75 or 100 ed at the end but I was kind of over the rage,etc.

Tren was one hell of a ride but can't say I'll be jumping on again anytime soon. The rage was almost intolerable. I've never felt that way before and couldn't control it effectively. Libido was unbelievable, which I didn't expect. Could have been the dost I guess but WOWSERS do I like to fuck on that shit! Whew...