another quick question about pull-ups

[LeeJunFan]

Ok, for now i am just concentrating on the wide-grip (for my back)
but what i wanna know is which one of these approaches will work for quicker results:

1. I can use the weighted machine at the gym, set it so i can just manage 12 and gradually over time decrease this weight so there is no weight at all

or

2. I can start without any weight, only managing about 3 but gradually building up, then onto 4, then 5...etc

Which of these will be the quicker way to be able to do sets of 12 with my own body weight and how will each of these ways results differ?
Thanx!

 

[super_rice]

personally, i would not use any of these machines and just do negatives till the break of dawn. i find if you get accustomed to the machine when you start pulling your own weight, you might not have that strict form or as much control that kinda thing.

 

[psychedout]

Personally I prefer my chins done without a machine. I could only do 4 when I started, but I gradually worked my way up.

 

[LeeJunFan]

thanx!

 

[super_rice]

thanx!

np.

so that's two for ditching the machine. ditch the machine and you'll be doing them weighted in no time

 

[Nonerz]

personally, i would not use any of these machines and just do negatives till the break of dawn. i find if you get accustomed to the machine when you start pulling your own weight, you might not have that strict form or as much control that kinda thing.

If you can already do them, even a few, doing the negatives will really work your lats! I think the machine is for the girls (like me) who can't quite do pull ups on their own yet!

So make that 3 for no machine!

 

[super_rice]

So make that 3 for no machine!

me and the machine have some beef though. one time the regular chinup bar was in use so i used the machine, just removed the bar that holds your legs up to do it with bodyweight. the hook almost took out my kneecaps. damn machine.

 

[Synpax]

Option one worked for me. I think I started off doing them with 60 lbs of assistance and now to them with an extra 30+ lbs of weight around my waist.

This is a good routine that a marine officer showed me. Adjust for your own ability (by weight I mean assistance):
60 weight for 20 reps
40 weight for 15 reps
20 weight for 10 reps
10 weight for 5 reps

Gradually but intentionally reduce the amount of assistance. BTW - what is really your goal? A target number of chins or just a bigger back? If it's the latter, use the above until you can get 10 with no help, and then use a weight belt and decrease the reps.

 

[super_rice]

60lbs for 20 reps?

i'm having trouble doing 20 with bodyweight haha.

i'm thinking 20lbs for 10 reps may be too big of a jump. more progressive?