Growin, at least you understand that you can lose fat with or without insulin present. I agree that manipulating insulin to your advantage can have some superior results, I am personally doing it as well just differently than Animalbolics. My main point is that so many people who don't know jack about dieting read about these diets and instantly think it's the only way to lose fat. They get brainwashed into thinking that if there is a drop of insulin present then their fat burning grinds to a halt. This is why low-carb diets are all the rage right now. We both know this isn't true but there are many that don't realize it.