Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Hi I am 19 years old and recently got into bodybuilding. One of the first products i bought was Dermadrol 2, a 4-androstendiol and 19-norandrostendiol stack. I took it for a week, then took a week off then took it again for another week. I have stopped use of the product because after research i saw a lot of negative side effects, especially in men under 21. I tend to be very paranoid when it comes to health issues so i was just wondering if i would have any side effects (im most worried about having permanently lowering my natural testosterone production). Can anyone help me out?
Andro side effects question
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monkeyballs
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Of course it won't permanently lower you T levels. In order for that to happen it would have to do something...and andro does nothing. It's a waste of fucking money. Throw the shit out, and get some creatine and glutamine if your looking for effective legal supplements.
monkeyballs
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bullshit...what you were reading was probably an add
or a study done on 60 year old men.
or a study done on 60 year old men.
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Golfer18--old
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Andro will cause gyno not strength gains. It lowered my sex drive a lot when i took it, wish i never did it.
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notpuff said:
My andro exp. was bad enough, maybe its good.....
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Golfer18--old
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It didnt return for a long time. I would have to say 5 months, it came back after i got smart and did a real cycle then used clomid.
monkeyballs
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It will lower your sex drive because it is crap. All the studies that I have scene, including one from the N.E. journal of medicine claim that Andro doesn't do jack shit for people who have healthy levels of T. The only finding that was conclusive, was that E levels in some subjects went up dramatically. Look around, and you'll hear of people who got actually got gyno from that crap. Don't be fooled just because it's legal...the shit is a waste of money at best, and possibly damging at the worst.
monkeyballs said:
So i guess animal doesnt know anything right?? The study was done with androstendione oral administration . And androgens unless there 17AA have poor oral bioavailability (e.g andriol)
Go to animals site www.animalkits.be do a search on 4ad youll be shocked.
littlebeefbb
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Andro
I took andro related products for nearly a year for that mega i wanna do it all night long. Yea.... stupidist fucking thing i coulda ever done. I ended up with testicular atrophy(sp). T levels were way down for a long long time. It wasnt cool, (mr. happy never wanted to play). On the other hand, the stuff ive seen from animal with using the andro injected is the same as AAS. All in all you still have to prolly cycle/clomid up at the end. Dont be stupid like me ").
I took andro related products for nearly a year for that mega i wanna do it all night long. Yea.... stupidist fucking thing i coulda ever done. I ended up with testicular atrophy(sp). T levels were way down for a long long time. It wasnt cool, (mr. happy never wanted to play). On the other hand, the stuff ive seen from animal with using the andro injected is the same as AAS. All in all you still have to prolly cycle/clomid up at the end. Dont be stupid like me ").
ya but did i take it long enough to do any damage to my to levels? i used a cream that went into bloodstream with 75 mg of 19-norandrostendiol and 4-androstendiol. i took it for about a week. then i stopped for a week. then i went back on it for a week. is it possible for my body to have adapted and lowered my T levels in that amount of time? Also if it did does your body automatically fix itself? and how long would that take?
Stop worrying. Steroids crash natural T but it comes back post cycle. The damage is not irrevrersable. One way you would know is if your nuts look shrunk then it would mean your natural test was affected. With prohormones I think the drop in natural T would be so small it probably wouldn't cause anything noticable. And like I said it will come right back.
I think most andro products are a joke.
OVer and over androstenedione has been shown to elevate E levels but not T levels in studies.
Also, for the amount you rae taking, almost ALL of it is inactivated through the first pass metabolism by liver enzymes. Why do you think anadrol, dianabol, etc has to be 17 aa to prevent the T derivative from being a substrate to these enzymes!
NFG
OVer and over androstenedione has been shown to elevate E levels but not T levels in studies.
Also, for the amount you rae taking, almost ALL of it is inactivated through the first pass metabolism by liver enzymes. Why do you think anadrol, dianabol, etc has to be 17 aa to prevent the T derivative from being a substrate to these enzymes!
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LattimerII
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No need to be paranoid about this. You only took a few prohormones for a total of two weeks. Even heavy doses of real testosterone for only two weeks wouldn't really cause any permanent supression of natural testosterone production. Chances are with your week long "cycles", you did little (if anything) to affect your endocrine system, and you are probably already back to normal.
okay guys I am planning on doing about a 3 week cycle of only 4ad(androspray by ergopharm). I have used an andro (1aD) before but I was wondering what kind of effects that you feel while using PH's so I might be able to tell if it is just me or if stuff happens to everyone...also I was wondering if this would cause gyno..thanks
Bottom Line : Yes andro works. I took a 4-AD/Nor-Diol/1,4 Andro/1-AD stack for 3 weeks and did gain alot of strength off of it. I also got a lot of zits and got plenty fat as well. I was also taking HUGE amounts of it (1000mg 4D/1200mg Nor-Diol/500mg 1,4 Andro/900mg 1-AD PER DAY).
My advice, if you consider side effects, cost and effectiveness, andro is a raw deal. Your better off with the real deal. But just because the real shit blows andro out of the water, it does not mean andro doest work. Anybody who says andro doesnt work has clearly never used it properly. It works, just simply not worth it when you consider your options.
My advice, if you consider side effects, cost and effectiveness, andro is a raw deal. Your better off with the real deal. But just because the real shit blows andro out of the water, it does not mean andro doest work. Anybody who says andro doesnt work has clearly never used it properly. It works, just simply not worth it when you consider your options.
fishcutter
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I did an andro/tribulis/dhea stack two times.I didn't see any real gains like juice, but I did notice it made me much more agressive.
My girl said it made me a "mean dickhead", so maybe it did raise test levels a little.
My girl said it made me a "mean dickhead", so maybe it did raise test levels a little.
monkeyballs said:
Actually it's not BS. I had my natural Test driven sub-standard by use of Andro for over 15 mos. and documented by my ND (naturopath). She put me on Test replacement therapy initially and we've been able to kick start a few things after finding my key problem which was insulin resistance (it reduced T3 conversion as well as a number of hormonal processes).
I'm 43, so the problem was age and initially weight related as well a excessive use of Andro. Today, I'm the poster child for fitness at 43, so it can be overcome. I will never again spend or waste money on Andro knowing what I know today about all the other options out there.
Bottom line though, Andro is a waste of money. Spend your money on sensible things instead.
chronik000
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YA I WOULD JUST HAVE CLOMID ON HAND B/C IT WILL HELP UR T-LEVELS WHEN THEY DROP OR U COULD BUY SOME OF THAT TRIBULUS AT GNC FOR THE T-LEVELS
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