Anavar

[billybuzz]

I've fallen in love with var....I've done a few cycles and have figured out what works for me taking into account my physique and my goals. For example, I liked Winstrol, but found it to be much for my joints.

Anavar, however, just seems like the perfect 'roid. When I combine it with test, it just works beautifully. My question is, with anavar having the least amount of side-effects then most other 'roids, what is the maximum length of time I can use it. Can you go six weeks on/six off all during the year. Longer cycles, maybe, shorter layoffs?

 

[Djicy]

WHat kind of gains did you get from VAr so far? I've done it for 8 weeks.

 

[biteme]

Yeah, I'm liking it too. Great pumps and more vascular. Now, I just wish I knew where to get some anavar powder.

 

[Madcow2]

Biteme - with 14K posts, you do realize you just requested a source and left your email?

 

[biteme]

Biteme - with 14K posts, you do realize you just requested a source and left your email?

Oops, if I fucked up, set me straight. I rarely spend time on the anabolic board, mostly on chat, but I'm getting serious about my training and plan to spend more time here, if I can get my ass off of the chat board.

 

[LoneTree]

Biteme - with 14K posts, you do realize you just requested a source and left your email?

What is wrong with that? He is just seeking information and help. Isn't that people supposed to do? Help each other.

 

[Madcow2]

What is wrong with that? He is just seeking information and help. Isn't that people supposed to do? Help each other.

I am helping. Helping him not get banned or flamed outrageously.

You both need to read this link:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168809

Link is to sticky at the top of this board entitled "Newbies read this. And Nobody had better post any BS on my post this time!"

It sets out rules for this board. The first 5 of 6 rules are specific to source posting. In this case it's a violation of Rule #1.

This is my post on board commonsense:

1. Do NOT post or request a source on the open board! If you do this, more than once you could be banned from the board.

2.Do not ask any Mod for a source after you have been here for a day. Hang out, learn, and earn our trust. THIS IS VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS!

3. Do NOT request a source through a PM. It is not safe and it puts you and us at more risk than we already are.

4. If you have a question about a source, especially if you are asking if you may post his name as a scammer; email a moderator first. Do not take it upon yourself to post a sources name as a scammer without checking with a moderator first; you may think you know a lot more than you really do!

5. Do not ask about someone’s legitimacy as a source on the board. This puts the source and you at risk!

Now biteme - you did fuck up. Please edit your post and get that out of here.

 

[biteme]

I am helping. Helping him not get banned or flamed outrageously.

You both need to read this link:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168809

Link is to sticky at the top of this board entitled "Newbies read this. And Nobody had better post any BS on my post this time!"

It sets out rules for this board. The first 5 of 6 rules are specific to source posting. In this case it's a violation of Rule #1.







Now biteme - you did fuck up. Please edit your post and get that out of here.

Thanks bro. THe rewording of it has been done. Appreciate you watching my back.

 

[LoneTree]

I am helping. Helping him not get banned or flamed outrageously.

You both need to read this link:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168809

Link is to sticky at the top of this board entitled "Newbies read this. And Nobody had better post any BS on my post this time!"

It sets out rules for this board. The first 5 of 6 rules are specific to source posting. In this case it's a violation of Rule #1.


Now biteme - you did fuck up. Please edit your post and get that out of here.

If you didn't notice, he is Elite Member; he is paying good money to be on this board. He has bought the rights that cannot be denied. You, on the other hand, had not bought any rights. So don't try to act like high and mighty.

 

[Madcow2]

Thanks bro. THe rewording of it has been done. Appreciate you watching my back.

No problem. Unfortunately, we just killed Billy's thread.

Billy, it is still suppressive so it is not so much the sides but the interruption of your HTPA. You also mentioned that you are running test along with it.

If you like var that much and want to know how far you can take it from a dosage or length of cycle standpoint, I really encourage you to get your blood work done on a periodic basis. This is the best way to tell if it is causing issues because, as you noted, there are few visible negative sides to var. It is still a 17aa and regardless of what you here about how benign it is, the more methyl groups you force your liver to deal with and the longer you subject it to them the harder it will be on you. Also watch your cholest. profile and see if anything gets out of whack there. That's my best advice.

 

[Madcow2]

If you didn't notice, he is Elite Member; he is paying good money to be on this board. He has bought the rights that cannot be denied. You, on the other hand, had not bought any rights. So don't try to act like high and mighty.

You know what. You paid money to abide by the rules, which apparently you haven't bothered to read. I generally like to know what's going on before I lay down my cash.

That said, you have an attitude problem so I'll just inform the board administration that you are here condoning source posting and need to be set straight. You obviously believe that your paid for Platinum Membership means that you can shit on others, ignore the biggest rule on the board, and then cop an attitude when someone tried to help out. I've contributed more to this board than you ever will (I was a member since 2000-2001 long before there was ever a 'platinum' and my 1000+ posts are from helping others not acting like a dickwad).

EDIT: BTW - what the hell is an Elite Member anyway? Isn't everyone an Elite Member. He has no platinum membership (not that it makes any difference as you are about to find out). Right now I'm assuming you are drunk and argumentative. Nevertheless, mods/admin are aware of your posts. You can explain your special privledges to them.

Sorry again Billy that your thread is fucked up. Once by an honest mistake and twice by Mr. Platinum defender of the universe here. No one would blame you if you started another one.

 

[RADAR]

If you didn't notice, he is Elite Member; he is paying good money to be on this board. He has bought the rights that cannot be denied. You, on the other hand, had not bought any rights. So don't try to act like high and mighty.

I don't care if you are platinum...you want to ignore the rules and step on some toes then go ahead i dare you---see what happens....i'm in an ill mood tonight anyway
Being plat you have certain rights and that also includes following the rules.
RADAR

 

[LVTitan]

I don't care if you are platinum...you want to ignore the rules and step on some toes then go ahead i dare you---see what happens....i'm in an ill mood tonight anyway

RADAR

uh... i'm cool.
but i too am very curious about var, have not tried it yet, but my next cycle is primo, and i was considering a var stack with it, planning 10-12weeks, i have heard of people using var that long but im not sure how bad or not bad that really is myself.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

I don't care if you are platinum...you want to ignore the rules and step on some toes then go ahead i dare you---see what happens....i'm in an ill mood tonight anyway

RADAR

wned: <<<<we really need one!

 

[RADAR]

uh... i'm cool.
but i too am very curious about var, have not tried it yet, but my next cycle is primo, and i was considering a var stack with it, planning 10-12weeks, i have heard of people using var that long but im not sure how bad or not bad that really is myself.

I have used it that long the vascularity is incredible

Good cycle.

My next one will be 800mg EQ/30mg var 12 weeks, i may even have enough EQ to finish up to week 14.

RADAR

 

[biteme]

I don't care if you are platinum...you want to ignore the rules and step on some toes then go ahead i dare you---see what happens....i'm in an ill mood tonight anyway

RADAR

I screwed up. My bad. I don't spend enough time here. And you're just mad at me for stealing your girl, but I hope that you find it in your heart to forgive me. Seriously though, I hope your mood improves.

 

[billybuzz]

that's good stuff....here's a dumb question that is probably going to make sound like the classic newbie off the street: I've understood about getting blood work done, but haven't found the best way to "ask" for it other than getting it done as part of an annual physical. If you want to get your bloodwork done, say, every 90 days or so, how do you go about doing so without telling the doctor, "Yeah, I'm juicing, so I gotta check."



QUOTE=Madcow2]No problem. Unfortunately, we just killed Billy's thread.

Billy, it is still suppressive so it is not so much the sides but the interruption of your HTPA. You also mentioned that you are running test along with it.

If you like var that much and want to know how far you can take it from a dosage or length of cycle standpoint, I really encourage you to get your blood work done on a periodic basis. This is the best way to tell if it is causing issues because, as you noted, there are few visible negative sides to var. It is still a 17aa and regardless of what you here about how benign it is, the more methyl groups you force your liver to deal with and the longer you subject it to them the harder it will be on you. Also watch your cholest. profile and see if anything gets out of whack there. That's my best advice.[/QUOTE]

 

[RADAR]

I screwed up. My bad. I don't spend enough time here. And you're just mad at me for stealing your girl, but I hope that you find it in your heart to forgive me. Seriously though, I hope your mood improves.

You my man i have no problem.
My beef is with Dogoftheday who thinks he is above the rules because he is Plat.


RADAR

 

[glennds]

I have used it that long the vascularity is incredible

Good cycle.

My next one will be 800mg EQ/30mg var 12 weeks, i may even have enough EQ to finish up to week 14.

RADAR

hmmm, radar, 800mg eq? isn't that on the high side? does a higher dose of eq make a significant difference in your ultimate results, from, say 400mg week?

 

[Madcow2]

that's good stuff....here's a dumb question that is probably going to make sound like the classic newbie off the street: I've understood about getting blood work done, but haven't found the best way to "ask" for it other than getting it done as part of an annual physical. If you want to get your bloodwork done, say, every 90 days or so, how do you go about doing so without telling the doctor, "Yeah, I'm juicing, so I gotta check."

I don't know whether you have a good relationship with your doc or not but you could always say that your family has a history of problems and you are trying a new diet and would like to have it monitored. I don't know what the insurance situation will be but they might make you pay for it yourself. You could also ask your doctor about the most affordable way (maybe the visits are too expensive) and have a lab draw and run the tests (they are common). You could then bring back the results to the doctor after a series of them.

I'd also get a drug free baseline first (ideally more than one but it might be too much of a pain).

There's a few ideas anyway. Maybe something there is useful to you. Everybody is different but your body is the only one you have.

People have run some pretty high doses of var in the past - well over 100mg of SPa or BTG without issue. I've also heard of people running much more nominal dosages that noticed problems. Obviously on an anonymous board people could be full of shit when they say they got bloodwork done but if you are looking to use var as a drug of choice and plan on progressing by using it often and gradually racheting up the dosages - you need to be smart about it.

 

[RADAR]

hmmm, radar, 800mg eq? isn't that on the high side? does a higher dose of eq make a significant difference in your ultimate results, from, say 400mg week?

I used 400 the first time,2nd time was 600 there was a big difference so 800 should put me in the freak zone!

I will include 500mg test enanth, EQ800, var 30mg

RADAR

 

[Madcow2]

hmmm, radar, 800mg eq? isn't that on the high side? does a higher dose of eq make a significant difference in your ultimate results, from, say 400mg week?

The correlation between gains/results and total mg per week is incredibly strong. Obviously diminishing returns set in at each increment but more than anything else, this is the overriding factor.

 

[RADAR]

The correlation between gains/results and total mg per week is incredibly strong. Obviously diminishing returns set in at each increment but more than anything else, this is the overriding factor.

I will make some insane gains/Diet is already laid out.
I have been training over 32 yrs

RADAR

 

[glennds]

I used 400 the first time,2nd time was 600 there was a big difference so 800 should put me in the freak zone!

I will include 500mg test enanth, EQ800, var 30mg

RADAR

can you elaborate? since eq is not really a mass building AAS, what specific type of difference did you see? increased vascularity? hardness? i am on 400mg EQ for week, in about week 9 now and not positive i am seeing the eq benefits i have read about.

 

[Madcow2]

I will make some insane gains/Diet is already laid out.
I have been training over 32 yrs

RADAR

I should have included, all else held constant - meaning the same individual, diet, training etc...

Obviously, some people will outgain others because they do it all better and require much lower dosages but you can't really compare gains between individuals. Some 160lb 6' guy could add 20 lbs on 200mg a week while a 5'8" 240lber at his genetic limit might be lucky to gain more than a few. Personally, I'm always more impressed by the experienced lifter gaining well off lower dosages of light anabolics. Of course, oftentimes that goes unappreciated on the boards.

 

[Goldprospector]

The correlation between gains/results and total mg per week is incredibly strong. Obviously diminishing returns set in at each increment but more than anything else, this is the overriding factor

I just don't know if I agree with this in every aspect...You may be right to an extent when saying that gains/results have a direct correlation with mg per week..granted from my experience...I got nothing from Dbol @ 15 and 20 mg's but had great results from 40mg and...but I don't that the results would have been "incredibly stronger" at 100 mg's per week (the amount is theoretic) I think Eating is the main issue on a cycle (my opinion)
Next, I do NOT think that diminishing results set in with each increment until AFTER one has past their genetic limit...this may be to what you are referring, but I was just trying to clarify my opinion. I do NOT believe in the "Fried Receptor" theory since they are basically cells that can and do replenish themselves daily...
Anyway bro, not trying to be argumentative...just throwing in another opinion.

BTW Billy, I like var also. I think the strength gains with Var in a 6 week usage, was the most dramatic that I have ever seen!

 

[Madcow2]

OK - let me clarify again.

Results will not be linear (this is diminishing returns), meaning that the gains one makes on dbol at 40mg ED will not be doubled by doubleing the dosage (80mg ED). You will gain more, but not 100% more and each doubling thereafter will lower the additional increment gained. This holds true for any stage of lifter.

The statement is exclusive of diet/training and cannot compare between individuals. A given diet, a given program, and a given individual. Hold all those constant and the effects of the drugs will be determined largely by total weekly mg dosage (Duchaine even said this in the context of looking back at the quest for the perfect combination stacks in the 1970's - not that I think he's a great source to be quoting but I'm not the only person who says this).

Damn, I thought I was being concise and clear but I guess I missed the clear in an effort to be concise.

 

[RADAR]

can you elaborate? since eq is not really a mass building AAS, what specific type of difference did you see? increased vascularity? hardness? i am on 400mg EQ for week, in about week 9 now and not positive i am seeing the eq benefits i have read about.

Every time i ran EQ i started seeing increased hardness/Vascularity in about 6-7 weeks it really started showing around week 10

And like others have said everyone responds differently...hell i can take 5mgs of dbol and can tell extra fullness in my muscles in about 6-8 days.

I'm running a different brand of EQ i hope i won't be dissapointed this time.


RADAR

 

[LoneTree]

You know what. You paid money to abide by the rules, which apparently you haven't bothered to read. I generally like to know what's going on before I lay down my cash.

That said, you have an attitude problem so I'll just inform the board administration that you are here condoning source posting and need to be set straight. You obviously believe that your paid for Platinum Membership means that you can shit on others, ignore the biggest rule on the board, and then cop an attitude when someone tried to help out. I've contributed more to this board than you ever will (I was a member since 2000-2001 long before there was ever a 'platinum' and my 1000+ posts are from helping others not acting like a dickwad).

EDIT: BTW - what the hell is an Elite Member anyway? Isn't everyone an Elite Member. He has no platinum membership (not that it makes any difference as you are about to find out). Right now I'm assuming you are drunk and argumentative. Nevertheless, mods/admin are aware of your posts. You can explain your special privledges to them.

Sorry again Billy that your thread is fucked up. Once by an honest mistake and twice by Mr. Platinum defender of the universe here. No one would blame you if you started another one.

I have only problem with you: who the hell are you telling others to follow rules? Just a suck up and a free loader. Others can PM him with any information.

The only rule this board follows is to make money. They deliberately don't have set rules so they don't have to follow them. Messages are routinely edited and erased for no apparent reason. My message critical of this was heavily censored and thread was closed just because it was critical. May be you don't remember that you live in America.

 

[nukdae]

Hey Dork of the Day,

Any moron with a credit card can become a platinum member.

Quod Erat Demon-fu**ing-strondum ...

(If you don't know what that means ask someone with an education.)

They're telling him not to post sources so he doesn't go to jail and so the sources are protected you fu**ing nitwit.

Translation: think before you open that pie hole of yours next time.

Nukdae

 

[Madcow2]

I have only problem with you: who the hell are you telling others to follow rules? Just a suck up and a free loader. Others can PM him with any information.

A few points before Radar has his way with you.

1) Do a search on my posts, read them. I am not asking for information nor do I derrive any benefit from board membership - the amount that I've learned from any internet board is miniscule and tends to be in esoteric areas like IOC drug testing and training methodology from some of the best coaches and athletes. I provide information to others - primarily training information but I will also post on anabolic boards.
2) I get invited to join boards. I get invited to mod boards. I don't have the time to make it to all the places and I certainly have no desire to be a mod and ban little shits like yourself who don't have the common sense to keep their mouths shut and seem to have an inflated sense of self importance.
3) I have been a member of this specific board since 2000-2001. Seach Madcow1's old posts and you will see the once again that I contributed quite a bit to this place without receiving anything in exchange other than I happen to like helping people and making them more successful.
4) Why haven't I gone Plantinum? Because there is no service that I need or want. The only attractive option to me is the signature and you know what would go there? Links to very important and comprehensive threads so that I could more easily reference them for the benefit to others because I don't like repeating myself.

As for the original poster - shit, why don't you PM him and ask him whether he's offended or whether he thinks I'm an ass. You'll find that he doesn't hold anything close to that opinion. And let's face it, he violated what is clearly the number one rule on this board. He knows it, I informed him of it - and not in any type of malicious way especially considering how people usually get treated for this, he fixed it, end of story. Everybody messes up once in a while (except you who seem to be building a nice track record for yourself).

As for you, rather than helping out a few other people - I'm going to PM some people and get you on the 'banned'-wagon. Your attitude, flagrant disregard for the rules, and abusive posts make you highly undesirable and I doubt anyone is going to find that your money is worth the hassle you cause as I can see from your post above that your causing issues is not an isolated incident. Respect isn't bought, it is earned and you are running a heavy deficit. Best look in the mirror and decide who the person is you want to be.

Best of luck because I don't expect to see much more of you unless you make a fairly radical adjustment to your behavior - which could start by public appology.

EDIT: Done - BTW - if they ban you and have to refund your money pro rata, I'd be more than happy to send in a few $$ and cover a portion of their financial loss. I may not pay to join a board because it doesn't make sense for me, but I have no problem parting with some cash to clean one up.

 

[Djicy]

Radar you ever un EQ with Dbol??

 

[RADAR]

Radar you ever un EQ with Dbol??

Sorry no i havn't, but that doesn't mean you can, unless you have a-dex to handle the bloat the vasculartuy from EQ will not be as noticable

RADAR