Anavar Vs Winstral: Give your opinon.

[jagerbombme]

Gotta disagree with the ghost. mg per mg I think winee is much better. Dave Draper used only winnee. Here's a duel pic of him at age 25 and at age 55. Seems to have worked pretty well.


http://www.dieselcrew.com/images/davetheman.jpg

good thread here. i call bullshit on this mother fucker only using winny, no fucking way that mother fucker got that big using winstrol. no fucking way. if it's true i'm getting on a winny-var diet, lol.

i've used var, it was good. got strong as fuck.

 

[Svengali]

Agreed. But a MG to Mg comparison is not fair. The cost of real anavar at 50 mg is like 5 times that of winni.

Gotta disagree with the ghost. mg per mg I think winee is much better. Dave Draper used only winnee. Here's a duel pic of him at age 25 and at age 55. Seems to have worked pretty well.


http://www.dieselcrew.com/images/davetheman.jpg

 

[Nelson Montana]

good thread here. i call bullshit on this mother fucker only using Winstrol - stanozolol, no fucking way that mother fucker got that big using winstrol. no fucking way. if it's true i'm getting on a Winstrol - stanozolol-Anavar - oxandrolone - diet, lol.

i've used Anavar - oxandrolone - , it was good. got strong as fuck.

Believe it. Dave was big (for the time) to start out -- 6'1" 220. In that shot he's probably just over 200 pounds. Remember, he had 19" arms but only a 30" waist.

Guys have got to stop thinking that every extrodinary physique is the result of high dosages or multiple compounds. That may be the case with freaky size of todays competitors but not so with everyone. Hell, I've known guys at the gym that nobody heard of that were big and awesome and they were using maybe a shot of sus a week with a couple of dball a day. I placed 5th in the NPC on 200mgs of Decca a week and 20 mgs of dball a day.

 

[funkyfresh]

i've used Anavar - oxandrolone - , it was good. got strong as fuck

Just curious, but when you guys talk about your experiences from using Var or Winny..etc. Are you talking about Var as a stand alone cycle or stacked with Test?

I want to go with a Var cycle, but so many guys say that most orals aren't that effective unless stacked with Test or another injectable med.

Not sure I am convinced Dave Draper used nothing but Winny..lol. He has a great physique no doubt (especially for his age now), but I find that hard to believe.

I can't speak from experience, but from a health point of view...I would think Var to be a much better choice. Winny does seem like the more popular choice because it is cheaper and does appear to work quite well from what I hear. But there would seem to be a lot more benefits to use Var over Winny.

 

[jagerbombme]

Believe it. Dave was big (for the time) to start out -- 6'1" 220. In that shot he's probably just over 200 pounds. Remember, he had 19" arms but only a 30" waist.

Guys have got to stop thinking that every extrodinary physique is the result of high dosages or multiple compounds. That may be the case with freaky size of todays competitors but not so with everyone. Hell, I've known guys at the gym that nobody heard of that were big and awesome and they were using maybe a shot of sus a week with a couple of dball a day. I placed 5th in the NPC on 200mgs of Decca a week and 20 mgs of dball a day.

how was your libido? were on NO test at that time? i've been training about 5 years but i'll say i've trained my body correctly for less than 1 and dieted somewhat correctly for less than 1 also and am noticing the shape of my body changing for the better with being on nothing. i'm 18 percent bf and trying to get down to 10. not concerned at the moment with getting bigger. decided since i'm not on juice to cut lifting down to 3 days per week. chest/back day 1. day 3 arms/shoulders/forearms. day 5 legs. all other days include running 2 miles and deads squats or cleans before bed to get my heart rate ripping for the second time those particular days. i'm eating primarily carb between 100-150 with protien around 250 and fats around 80 with less than 10 being saturated. cals between 2k and 2500. it's working good. once i get my bf down, then i'm gonna cycle some primo and some test and var or winny. maybe some tren in the beginning to get my strength up.

 

[Mavafanculo]

- both will KILL your hdl, so neither is cardiovascular healthy

- Anavar - oxandrolone - will accelerate production of healthy collegen and elastin, which is great for ligaments tendons and your skin

-Winstrol - stanozolol will KILL ligaments and tendons and skin. it causes your body to produce poorly crosslinked porous brittle collagen. thus the hi incidence of injury, and the dry wrinkled look of someone who's been on winny for too long

- Anavar - oxandrolone - has studies showing it preferentially burns visceral and abdominal fat compared to other sterids all other things being equal

- anavar causes increased GH release (which may explain ^^ ), not sure but I think winny slows endogenous gh release

- winny is protective and synergistic with nandrolones because it competes for binding at the progesterone receptos

- winny (specially oral route) is synergistic with test because it lowers shbg making more of your test bioavailable





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[holy ghost]

yep good facts

 

[funkyfresh]

Winstrol - stanozolol (specially oral route) is synergistic with test because it lowers sex hormone binding globulin making more of your test bioavailable

I believe both Winstrol and Anavar are pretty effective at lowering the SHBG.
In fact, I remember reading some study regarding Var's effectiveness at this...I'll see if I can find it

Of course neither are great for your HDL levels....but Var was actually considered a drug at treating people suffering from high cholesterol at one time! But they found that although it did prove some effect at lowering total cholesterol, it put the HDL/LDL balance in an unfavourable direction. Decreasing the HDL, which in turn meant a higher LDL.

I think Var is generally considered the mildest oral AAS regarding liver toxicity aswell, which I guess is another plus...although it is still toxic none the less.

Also, Winny can be harsh on the hairline if you are prone to MBP...Var is considered one of the safest in this regard again.

Overall, I vote for Var over Winny every time.

 

[Mavafanculo]

I believe both Winstrol and Anavar are pretty effective at lowering the sex hormone binding globulin .
In fact, I remember reading some study regarding Anavar - oxandrolone - 's effectiveness at this...I'll see if I can find it

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all good info

if var lowers shbg that would explain the increased libido reported by users (mostly female) -

 

[Nelson Montana]

how was your libido? were on NO test at that time? QUOTE]

Not bad, maybe a little "softer" than usual. 2 weeks prior I used proviron and that helped and it hardened me up like a motherfucker. I would never do decca now. I also didn't have UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE, so PC T was a little slow. I made the mistake of using Nolva, which made it worse.