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Anavar Vs. Oral Turinabol

Anavar Or Oral Turinabol


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Cal_21

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I am very interested to hear people's personal preference/experience with these two compounds...

From what I read they seem to yield similar results and have similar side effects. Neither cause aromatization, estrogen related side effects are more or less non-existent. Both exhibit a weak level of androgenic activity. So the hairline sounds relatively safe. Both offer quality gains/hardening effects. Both negatively impact sex drive when not stacked with Testosterone. Both seem pretty safe on the liver (for an oral), sounds like T-bol is somewhat harsher though. The only clear, difference I can decipher is the difference in price. Any opinions/insight/experiences will be much appreciated.
 
all juice aromatizes. question is at what dose. anavar DOES NOT negatively impact sex drive in me or any one i personally know using this substance. my business partner/best friend just broke up with his gf and he is doing 50mg\day same product i am using. called me tonight and said his dick is hard all the time and fears priapism. lots of myth and here-say about this drug. i theorize most ppl haven't used real ox or have severely under-dosed product. my frame of reference is u.s. pharmaceutical oxandrin.i know the real deal and make no mistake ox is some BAD ASS SHIT. if you obtain legit product and do 40mg of real ox for 8 weeks you will be amazed. you will not need test or anything else. you will get shredded and you will put on quality lean mass and keep 90%.lots of well meaning folks here but lots of misinformation.

anavar will:

1. make you strong as hell
2. rid you of visceral and subcutaneous body fat. (with no rebound)
3. vascularity and pumps like you have never experienced
4 lean muscle mass. prob 10-15lb on aforementioned
5. var WILL shut you down at 40mg 8 wk.

my biz partner is on his first cycle 4 wks in and he is crazy fuckin happy. already down 2 belt loops and gaining muscle like crazy. starting to see abs. first time in his life. check out AAP....read his post about his experience with human grade var.
 
layinback said:
all juice aromatizes. question is at what dose. anavar DOES NOT negatively impact sex drive in me or any one i personally know using this substance. my business partner/best friend just broke up with his gf and he is doing 50mgday same product i am using. called me tonight and said his dick is hard all the time and fears priapism. lots of myth and here-say about this drug. i theorize most ppl haven't used real ox or have severely under-dosed product. my frame of reference is u.s. pharmaceutical oxandrin.i know the real deal and make no mistake ox is some BAD ASS SHIT. if you obtain legit product and do 40mg of real ox for 8 weeks you will be amazed. you will not need test or anything else. you will get shredded and you will put on quality lean mass and keep 90%.lots of well meaning folks here but lots of misinformation.

anavar will:

1. make you strong as hell
2. rid you of visceral and subcutaneous body fat. (with no rebound)
3. vascularity and pumps like you have never experienced
4 lean muscle mass. prob 10-15lb on aforementioned
5. Anavar - oxandrolone - WILL shut you down at 40mg 8 wk.

my biz partner is on his first cycle 4 wks in and he is crazy fuckin happy. already down 2 belt loops and gaining muscle like crazy. starting to see abs. first time in his life. check out AAP....read his post about his experience with human grade Anavar - oxandrolone - .


Figures you'd like a roid made for women. hehe


Did I drop fat on Anavar? Yes
Did I notice a vascular difference on Anavar? Yes
Was I able to perform sexually (on my blow up dolls of course) just fine on Anavar? Yes
Did Anavar make me strong as hell? No

Just my experiences, individual results may vary, and if they do vary and it made you wicked strong odds are you were simply a pussy to start with :)
 
PuddleMonkey said:
Figures you'd like a roid made for women. hehe


Did I drop fat on Anavar? Yes
Did I notice a vascular difference on Anavar? Yes
Was I able to perform sexually (on my blow up dolls of course) just fine on Anavar? Yes
Did Anavar make me strong as hell? No

Just my experiences, individual results may vary, and if they do vary and it made you wicked strong odds are you were simply a pussy to start with :)
puddles gets his Anavar - oxandrolone - from a homeless man he sleeps with for "spiritual reasons". i dont understand this either. btw this is me after 8 wks on Anavar - oxandrolone - . you decide.
 
layinback said:
check out my new post nocturnal hell.....i am not joking this sucks and i have lots o work to do.


Just posted on it. I deliberately didn't take an Ambien tonight so I can stay up late and raise hell on EF. Ok, I actually didn't take one because I was gonna stay up late with this girl, but she's now gone. We argued so now I go without sex again tonight :(
 
She keeps telling me she's gonna have my baby, and I keep telling her no. Tonight I pulled out a condom, and she told me no :(
 
PuddleMonkey said:
She keeps telling me she's gonna have my baby, and I keep telling her no. Tonight I pulled out a condom, and she told me no :(
i think we are hijaking this thread i will pm you....cool i gettin alittle sleepy.
 
I love anavar too. How many times a year can you safely do the stuff? I take 250-275 mgs of test per week all year round. I have gotten 30 days worth at 20 mgs, 2 times now and both times, I noticed a big difference. Not human grade though.
 
PuddleMonkey said:
She keeps telling me she's gonna have my baby, and I keep telling her no. Tonight I pulled out a condom, and she told me no :(


soo you will be a dady!!yey, nice!
 
For someone who is sensitive to it, which of the two is the least likely to cause androgenic side effect like hair loss?

From what I've read it seems to be t-bol, even though anavar supposed to be a very mild AAS.
 
In 2nd week of Anavar at 40mg per day. Noticed ball shrinkage in the last couple days....so, now scared of the shutdown effects. Already noticing strength gains and hardness (um, that's muscle hardness I was referring to) Thinking about dropping the dose a little. Just started dating a new chick- don't want to have to explain a shutdown. Any thoughts or advice???
 
biteme said:
I love anavar too. How many times a year can you safely do the stuff? I take 250-275 mgs of test per week all year round. I have gotten 30 days worth at 20 mgs, 2 times now and both times, I noticed a big difference. Not human grade though.
clear your inbox you big sob. i jus tried to pm you bout this.
 
I think Var is the best all around roid out there. Quality fat lose, qaulity muscle gain which you keep, and no bad sides in my use. If you get "REAL" Spa you only need 30-40mg per day for these results. Take for 6-8 weeks and your set! If you use homemade shit, you need like 100mg and who knows what your really getting.
 
wannabecut said:
In 2nd week of Anavar at 40mg per day. Noticed ball shrinkage in the last couple days....so, now scared of the shutdown effects. Already noticing strength gains and hardness (um, that's muscle hardness I was referring to) Thinking about dropping the dose a little. Just started dating a new chick- don't want to have to explain a shutdown. Any thoughts or advice???
scared of the shutdown effect? sound like you may have real ox!!! thats a good thing. just do it, you can fuck later. chances are you aint gonna lose sex drive till you come off. have nolva on hand for pct.

day 1 40mg
day 2-14 20mg
day 15-28 10mg oughta do it.
 
layinback said:
scared of the shutdown effect? sound like you may have real ox!!! thats a good thing. just do it, you can fuck later. chances are you aint gonna lose sex drive till you come off. have Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - on hand for PCT - post cycle therapy - .

day 1 40mg
day 2-14 20mg
day 15-28 10mg oughta do it.


Damn, you still up? lol. I just rolled out of bed, I'll get to the PM as soon as I find my ephedrine.
 
PuddleMonkey said:
Damn, you still up? lol. I just rolled out of bed, I'll get to the PM as soon as I find my ephedrine.
check under your "firefighter training video" or "single men in alaska calendar" collection. youll probably find your ephedrine there.
 
Cal_21 said:
lol. Send me nudies of the monkey, actually make it a baboon with a multicolored thong. mmm


monkey15.jpg
 
thelion2005 said:
Anavar gives me strength quickly. Stacked with test anything, it really produces results.

Turanabol is more subtle and slower ... like a buffered Dianabol - methandrostenolone - .

Very cool info, this is the type of stuff I was hoping to find out, thanks bro.
 
truckdaddy said:
Turanabol and anavar mix

Interesting, not sure if I'd want to do 2 orals concurrently...but if I did it would probably be with these two due to the low toxicity & sides. What dosages did you do? Results? :)
 
i did 30/30 but i would prob bump id to 50/tbol 30/anavar......combine it with the HGH im on at the moment...and wallah!
 
truckdaddy said:
i did 30/30 but i would prob bump id to 50/Turanabol 30/anavar......combine it with the human growth hormone - somatropin - im on at the moment...and wallah!

Nice. I'm going to start my first cycle. Test/var or Test/T-bol. Just as soon as I pick the oral. I'm leaning towards anavar despite the price. Once I get a few under my belt it'd be interesting to try adding those 2/bumping the test up to 500mg/wk.
 
Var hands down.

Instant vascularity, fat loss. no sides. Check out it's anabolic rating. It's up there with Drol. 320 something.

8 weeks of quality Var and you will be shredded wheat.

Also Dbol is still the king over Tbol Imho. Just use some adex for bloat. Dbol makes you feel GRRRREAT!

Kick off with Dbol ...Close with Var.
 
halfcenturian said:
Anavar - oxandrolone - hands down.

Instant vascularity, fat loss. no sides.
Check out it's anabolic rating. It's up there with Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - . 320 something.

8 weeks of quality Var and you will be shredded wheat.

Also Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is still the king over Turanabol Imho. Just use some Arimidex - anastrozole - for bloat. Dbol makes you feel GRRRREAT!

Kick off with Dbol ...Close with Var.

that's what I'm talking about...haha. T-bol sounds like it's great if you can't get Var...My gut's been telling me Var, and I'm still leaning in that direction.
 
halfcenturian said:
Sidebar - add some trenbolone A / testosterone enanthate. WOOOOOOOO DOGGIES !!!

I'm still a virgin :( Once I get a few cycles under my belt I'm going to run cycles w/ tren/mast/test p/sustanon, winstrol, & var...not in the same cycle of course lol
 
see, i dont like to run cycles 8 weeks anymore, i like the 4 weeks of tbol....fast and easy, not to hard on the nuts, var can shut ytou down hard and you need more than 4 weeks IMO.
 
truckdaddy said:
see, i dont like to run cycles 8 weeks anymore, i like the 4 weeks of Turanabol....fast and easy, not to hard on the nuts, Anavar - oxandrolone - can shut ytou down hard and you need more than 4 weeks IMO.

Interesting. I'm taking classes to get the g.p.a. up (shitty semester freshman year) lol. So I have all these expenses now & not a ton of $ to work with so I might go w/ T-bol...glad to hear it's not too suppressive too.
 
For me:

Var= bad bacne, sore joints at one point getting up stairs was a prob. Did'nt kill the drive but slowed it quite a bit. I felt like shit the whole time I was on. No strenghth gain at all, Killed my hunger. The onlt positive thing I can say is it did cut me very nicely. 50mgs ED/5 weeks

Tbol= No acne, no sore joints, no decrese in drive, feel good, strength is up quite a bit, no bloat, pumps are great, body is hard as a rock. 50mgs ED/ on week 4 with test, EQ.

IMHO, Tbol is a better compound, at least for me.
 
Can you run a t'bol only cycle and keep weight off? I can't run d'bol because I can't carry the bloat that I get even from 10mg.

And how would you run t'bol at the start and then ox.? It's been a while, and from I remember people weren't doing this before. I'm really looking for strength gains and recovery from track training, and need to keep the weight off. Thanks.
 
wannabecut said:
Smoke-
Of course you had no decrease in drive on T-bol...you were running test with it...

Ah, but I was running the same dose of test when I was on Var.

I am not bashing var, it's just not for me.

I love dbol too but the gyno and bloat aint for me, pluss it kills the hair.

I will say something negitive about Tbol, I have never been so damn hot in my life. I have done the deca and test stack a few times in the summer and it can be a bitch as far as heat is concerened but damn, I cant get any relief and being in the south with 100deg heat aint helping. The AC is going to blow up or the wife is going to leave me.

It is week five and I have been off the Tbol a few days and I feel allot cooler. On test, EQ and GH for the rest of the run
 
SuperOne said:
So Turanabol wont cause hairloss in somebody prone?

Will using Finesteride prevent hairloss on Turanabol?

It's supposed to be a mild androgen, so I'm hoping hair loss wouldn't be a factor. Maybe some guys who've used it can chime in?
 
SuperOne said:
So Turanabol wont cause hairloss in somebody prone?

Will using Finesteride prevent hairloss on Turanabol?


Did'nt lose any and I am very prone.
Thats one of the reasons I tried it, no hair loss
and yes I take propecia and use monixodil.
 
smoke67 said:
Did'nt lose any and I am very prone.
Thats one of the reasons I tried it, no hair loss
and yes I take propecia and use monixodil.

Good to hear. I'll be taking test so I'm worried enough about that, if i were to throw in dbol in stead I guess after my cycle I'm scurred I'd be d-bald LOL
 
Cal_21 said:
Good to hear. I'll be taking test so I'm worried enough about that, if i were to throw in Dianabol - methandrostenolone - in stead I guess after my cycle I'm scurred I'd be d-bald LOL

Test makes me shed some but Dbol is like throwing Nair on my head.
Though I love the stuff, I don't use it any more.

This was my first run with Tbol and I will use it again. NO HAIR LOSS, great pumps, no bloat, no libido issues, no gyno.

The only thing I will consider next time is I may add it in at the end of the cycle.
 
smoke67 said:
Test makes me shed some but Dianabol - methandrostenolone - is like throwing Nair on my head.
Though I love the stuff, I don't use it any more.

This was my first run with Turanabol and I will use it again. NO HAIR LOSS, great pumps, no bloat, no libido issues, no gynecomastia.

The only thing I will consider next time is I may add it in at the end of the cycle.

Great to hear. I've decided on T-bol over Var. :)

This is a dumb question I know...but after the test makes you shed some...will it grow back eventually? Probably not, wishful thinking. Maybe I should get some proscar or something just to be safe. At least Nizoral. Well @ 250mg EW I'm hoping sides would be low.
 
I am gunna use tbol at the start then use var at the end with some winny.
 
I am gunna use tbol at the start then use var at the end with some winny. I am also gunna do test 500/wk deka400/wk


I know it is a stout cycle but I wanna try it.
 
errn247 said:
I am gunna use Turanabol at the start then use Anavar - oxandrolone - at the end with some Winstrol - stanozolol. I am also gunna do test 500/wk deka400/wk


I know it is a stout cycle but I wanna try it.

I like it. Once I get a few notches on my glut I think I'll run something similar.
 
This is a good thread. I was trying to decide if I wanted to run TBol only or Var only for my first cycle (scared of needles..Ha.Ha..not really), and this thread helped me make up my mind. Var it is. I guess having the Var readily available helps out too. It looks like 40mg Var ED for a 6 week-er. Should a standard 4 week PCT be enough to rebound. Thanks Bros.
 
Cal_21 said:
I am very interested to hear people's personal preference/experience with these two compounds...

From what I read they seem to yield similar results and have similar side effects. Neither cause aromatization, estrogen related side effects are more or less non-existent. Both exhibit a weak level of androgenic activity. So the hairline sounds relatively safe. Both offer quality gains/hardening effects. Both negatively impact sex drive when not stacked with Testosterone. Both seem pretty safe on the liver (for an oral), sounds like T-bol is somewhat harsher though. The only clear, difference I can decipher is the difference in price. Any opinions/insight/experiences will be much appreciated.


they are both GREAT orals. for an oral only cycle I would pick the ANAVAR.
 
Turanabol... great pumps, decent increase in strength. I agree with a previous post and the acne differences... turanabol seemed to impact me a lot less then anavar.

Muscle hardness was there with the Turanabol but not sure how much that had to do with the EQ i stacked it with (no eq w/ anavar stack).

I know there is not much mention of it so far in the thread but one of the big pieces for me was the price difference. Got a great price Turanabol which made the decision to go with alot easier...
 
I did T-Bol at 50 a day for 28 days. First cycle went from 175 to 192, when bloat came off I was 188. Then I did another one 2 months later and I got sick and just maintained, but seemed to shed a couple % of body fat. I noticed almost no acne, and no hair loss that I know of. The only really bad thing about TBOL is it made my blood pressure sky rocket, and there is a few pounds of bloat, at least for me with turanbol. I've never tried Anavar though, but it makes my friend vasular as hell
 
Yay someone pulled this thread up! :)

I've taken t-bol as of now. Var will be in w/ the next cycle :)

I figured everyone reacts differently...they're both good ingredients, why not taste them both? lol. Like drinking pepsi and taking someone's word for it that coke tastes better :)
 
Tried oral turinabol once and wasnt very impressed. On the other hand, I did many anavar cycles (it's the only ass i would do again) and cant say anything bad about it. Call me old school if you want....
 
manny78 said:
Tried oral turinabol once and wasnt very impressed. On the other hand, I did many anavar cycles (it's the only ass i would do again) and cant say anything bad about it. Call me old school if you want....

Thanks for the input bro :)

I'm really looking forward to Var. I'll be living on campus by the time I try it. So that should be awesome. 2 minute walk from all I can eat food & from the gym. I really want to make the most of it.
 
holy ghost said:
CAL 21

WERE DA FUCK YA BEEN NUKKKAH :evil:

LOL!


Sup ghost.

Just hitting the gym/table a lot lol. My bench is 280 4X4. I'm trying to move up really slowly I don't trust my shoulder to add too much too fast.
 
Good shit bro

Want a sneak peak at my Jan cycle?

im still on deka tezt and eQz

Im testing my arm out mon i been off like 8 wks z
 
holy ghost said:
Good shit bro

Want a sneak peak at my Jan cycle?

im still on deka tezt and eQz

Im testing my arm out mon i been off like 8 wks z

Yeah what's that monster look like?

How's the elbow?
 
elbow looks and feels way better

it still looks fucked up though all puffy but not so much swollen


Cycle is gonna look a little somethin like this


JAN CYCLE

1-2 dbol 50mg ED
1-4 Superdrol (methyl-masteron) 30mg ED
4-10 winny 50mg ed
1-10 mast 600mg EW - M W F
1-10 tren e 600mg EW -M W F
1-10 Test 1g EW - M F
8-10 halotestin 20mg-40mg ed

dex .5 M/F
all ancillaries on hand

customcaps blend ED (CEE, CAFFIENE, L-GLUT, 3TYPE ARGININE, TAURINE, NaR-ALA, 7-KETO-DHEA, Resveratrol [ derma sustain estro ingredient], Milk Thistle, Saw Palmetto Berries )

ed: 3g FLAX, 3-4g VIT C, 2xMULTI, 2xCalcium, 2xGlucosamine

Carb cycling every week : 4 low x 3 high days
 
holy ghost said:
elbow looks and feels way better

it still looks fucked up though all puffy but not so much swollen


Cycle is gonna look a little somethin like this


JAN CYCLE

1-2 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 50mg ED
1-4 Superdrol (methyl-masteron) 30mg ED
4-10 Winstrol - stanozolol 50mg ed
1-10 mast 600mg EW - M W F
1-10 trenbolone e 600mg EW -M W F
1-10 Test 1g EW - M F
8-10 halotestin 20mg-40mg ed

dex .5 M/F
all ancillaries on hand

customcaps blend ED (CEE, CAFFIENE, L-GLUT, 3TYPE ARGININE, TAURINE, NaR-alpha lipoic acid, 7-KETO-DHEA, Resveratrol [ derma sustain estro ingredient], Milk Thistle, Saw Palmetto Berries )

ed: 3g FLAX, 3-4g VIT C, 2xMULTI, 2xCalcium, 2xGlucosamine

Carb cycling every week : 4 low x 3 high days

Fucking sick dude. Nice.
 
pretty basic right???

I might throw some IGF or Growth in there >:|

havent decided if i want to cross that path again!
 
cal_21 said:
I am very interested to hear people's personal preference/experience with these two compounds...

From what I read they seem to yield similar results and have similar side effects. Neither cause aromatization, estrogen related side effects are more or less non-existent. Both exhibit a weak level of androgenic activity. So the hairline sounds relatively safe. Both offer quality gains/hardening effects. Both negatively impact sex drive when not stacked with Testosterone. Both seem pretty safe on the liver (for an oral), sounds like T-bol is somewhat harsher though. The only clear, difference I can decipher is the difference in price. Any opinions/insight/experiences will be much appreciated.


hmm.. i ran tbol 1-6 then var 7-12 and 500mg test e throughout..

it was a good way to go for me..

I've also run them at the same time, but i get somewhat bloated on the tbol, so i prefer the var for veins, hardness, and strength..
 
T Bol no Var no T Bol no Var fuck there both good and i dont like
to choose so i run both T Bol first and Var second .
Brad.
 
I've done both at different cycles.

BD Var alone gave me insane strength gains (50mg/day). Shredded like a mofo in 8 weeks. Veins poppin' everywhere, scared they were gonna burst. It did shut me down. Not much PCT though, my mistake.

A few months later, I did 8 weeks of BD T-bol (50mg/day). Not as much strength gains. Not as vascular. Significant mass gained. Did not shut me down at all. Proper PCT this time around probably had something to do with this.

No hairloss from both cycles. No shrinkage in the nuts. Did get a little acne on my back and chest, but that went away after a few weeks.

If I were to do them again, I'd probably go with anavar as my first choice. Wouldn't have a problem with T-bol though.
 
vinced80 said:
I've done both at different cycles.

BD Anavar - oxandrolone - alone gave me insane strength gains (50mg/day). Shredded like a mofo in 8 weeks. Veins poppin' everywhere, scared they were gonna burst. It did shut me down. Not much PCT - post cycle therapy - though, my mistake.

A few months later, I did 8 weeks of BD T-bol (50mg/day). Not as much strength gains. Not as vascular. Significant mass gained. Did not shut me down at all. Proper PCT this time around probably had something to do with this.

No hairloss from both cycles. No shrinkage in the nuts. Did get a little acne on my back and chest, but that went away after a few weeks.

If I were to do them again, I'd probably go with anavar as my first choice. Wouldn't have a problem with T-bol though.

I'm honored your 1st post was in my thread
:qt: lol
 
hesnobradpitt said:
The poll is very close i ended up picking t,bol .
Brad.

Yeah dude. Very close indeed.

I'm thinking I'll use tbol when I want to get bigger/stronger. And var when i want a lil strength kick & vascularity.

I've realized it's not so much about one or the other...but When to use each of these fine chemicals and in which cycles :)
 
cal_21 said:
Yeah dude. Very close indeed.

I'm thinking I'll use Turanabol when I want to get bigger/stronger. And Anavar - oxandrolone - when i want a lil strength kick & vascularity.

I've realized it's not so much about one or the other...but When to use each of these fine chemicals and in which cycles :)

Spot on with that .
Brad.
 
mateo de la ley1 said:
Has anyone ever heard of Anavar that can be injected?

No

I hear EQ is supposed to give you ridiculous vascularity too though..if you want to stick with an injectable. The more experienced gus could probably tell you more though.
 
EQ will bring out much more vascularity in an already LEAN person im talking 14% and LESS minimum

Its a great drug it keeps you tight and ripped energized and pumped! but it gives me anxiety in first few weeks always
 
If you take a high enough dose, Var can outshine Tbol. But for your dollar, your better off with Tbol in my opinion.
 
I'm on a TBOL 60mg and VAR 40mg stack right now. i just started 3 days ago, so i really haven't noticed much as of yet. I'm sure in a couple weeks i wil be happy with it.

i voted for anavar due to its fat burning effects.
 
dabuffguy said:
I'm on a Turanabol 60mg and Anavar - oxandrolone - 40mg stack right now. i just started 3 days ago, so i really haven't noticed much as of yet. I'm sure in a couple weeks i wil be happy with it.

i voted for anavar due to its fat burning effects.

Good luck w/ your cycle. Hope all goes well with the liver man. :)
 
dabuffguy said:
I'm on a Turanabol 60mg and Anavar - oxandrolone - 40mg stack right now. i just started 3 days ago, so i really haven't noticed much as of yet. I'm sure in a couple weeks i wil be happy with it.

i voted for anavar due to its fat burning effects.

would this be too hard on the liver?

how would this compare say to 50mg of dbol?
 
Cal_21 said:
I am very interested to hear people's personal preference/experience with these two compounds...

From what I read they seem to yield similar results and have similar side effects. Neither cause aromatization, estrogen related side effects are more or less non-existent. Both exhibit a weak level of androgenic activity. So the hairline sounds relatively safe. Both offer quality gains/hardening effects. Both negatively impact sex drive when not stacked with Testosterone. Both seem pretty safe on the liver (for an oral), sounds like T-bol is somewhat harsher though. The only clear, difference I can decipher is the difference in price. Any opinions/insight/experiences will be much appreciated.

both are very good especially if you want to juice and keep your hair

:theshadow
 
bigron99 said:
would this be too hard on the liver?

how would this compare say to 50mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - ?


not near as bad as those who take 100mg of oxymetholone everyday for 4 weeks. that stuff is way more toxic than var and tbol. and some people pop dbol like candy, which is also more toxic than tbol or var. And almost nobody ever has any real issues on that stuff.

liver toxicity is so overstated. most say, oh you'll fuck up your liver. no, it won't. shit, ibuprofen and asprin are hard on your liver too.
tbol and var are less toxic per mg than any other oral as well.

liver is fine. It's day 5 and i am already starting to see slightly more definition that i doubt would be there otherwise. strength is about the same, not noticably stronger. i have been moddy. i noticed i am more irritable. but maybe that's just the holiday stress.
 
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