Anavar Powder....

[GymIntensity]

How should I take the anavar if I can get it in the powder form??? put it in a capsule and down it ? any other ideas/experiences???

 

[black sheep]

It is easiest for you to suspend it in liquid. It is the most fool proof and easiest to dose. Personally I capped mine, but it is quite a bit more difficult.

 

[interleukin 1]

Did the same as black sheep. (capped) But putting it into liquid and dose out from there is very easy, just like Black sheep said. I would suggest this is how you go..oxandrolone powder is way expensive so you don't have much margin for error unless you have $$$ to burn.

 

[H_T_]

var is the easiest to make, next to d-bol isn't it?

 

[interleukin 1]

var is the easiest to make, next to d-bol isn't it?

EQ is by far the most simple....I think the correct lab terminology is "tard proof". It is already liquid at RT. Doesn't take much if any solvent(s), carrier or anything else including brain power. Solubilty with any oil is great.

Actaully I had a little issue with my oxandrolone. It was kind of sticky and hard to work with and I could not get a good solvent (tried many combos) to keep totally suspended in liquid...that is why I want to capping.

 

[informed09]

Can Var be suspended in oil for an injection like winn or is that not possible?

 

[interleukin 1]

I can't see why not.. Personally, I just could not come up with a good solvent mixture. I tried PEG, BB, BA, PG, nothing really worked well. I used Mr T's super solvent (which is probably a combo of BA and BB ) and it still didn't work too good. The best suspention I used a small amount of BA and bacteriostatic H2O. I had better luck with Stan and oil then var.

 

[Advisor_x]

Not easy to disolve that's why it's in tabs......

 

[dugie65]

Just buy a scale and measure it out. A decent digital scale with a graduation of 0.01g is as low as ~$25. Cheapest solution, but you have to weigh out each dose individually.

 

[drrman]

Just buy a scale and measure it out. A decent digital scale with a graduation of 0.01g is as low as ~$25. Cheapest solution, but you have to weigh out each dose individually.

you could never weigh out capsules of anavar individually with a .01g accurate scale....thats only 10mg, so if you wanted 20mg capsules you might have .016 which the scale would round to .020, or .024 which woud round to .020 also, nearly 10mg swing

so in this case you have to use a formula for say 50 caps at a time to take the variance out of the equation

 

[dugie65]

you could never weigh out capsules of anavar individually with a .01g accurate scale....thats only 10mg, so if you wanted 20mg capsules you might have .016 which the scale would round to .020, or .024 which woud round to .020 also, nearly 10mg swing

so in this case you have to use a formula for say 50 caps at a time to take the variance out of the equation

If you weigh out a dosage twice daily (at least for me) it's 50mg measured twice(.05g). There's usually a +/-10% accuracy loss when using any type of digital scale.

IMO the +/-4mg would not make too big of a difference unless the daily dosage was somewhere in the range of 10-40mg.

 

[Ozz2001]

you could never weigh out capsules of anavar individually with a .01g accurate scale....thats only 10mg, so if you wanted 20mg capsules you might have .016 which the scale would round to .020, or .024 which woud round to .020 also, nearly 10mg swing

so in this case you have to use a formula for say 50 caps at a time to take the variance out of the equation

Got to like smart Juiceheads.....k to yea buddy

 

[blut wump]

you could never weigh out capsules of anavar individually with a .01g accurate scale....thats only 10mg, so if you wanted 20mg capsules you might have .016 which the scale would round to .020, or .024 which woud round to .020 also, nearly 10mg swing

so in this case you have to use a formula for say 50 caps at a time to take the variance out of the equation

Agreed. Make a significant batch. Use bicarb or even CEE HCl for filler. You just have to work out your ratios of filler to oxandrolone by volume.

 

[Tux]

If you don't want to cap it, dissolve it in 190 proof alcohol, everclear. It will hold easily at 15mg/ml, sometimes 20mg/ml with just everclear. Just add your hormone to the alcohol, warm till it dissolves, and as long as you remembered how much powder and alcohol you used, you have a very precise dosing ability now. Only problem is that everclear tastes like liquid ass, almost as bad as clomid, so I just squirt my dose into an empty gelcap and swallow. Easier than EQ almost, since it requires no filter, no BA or BB, no oil, etc.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

you could never weigh out capsules of anavar individually with a .01g accurate scale....thats only 10mg, so if you wanted 20mg capsules you might have .016 which the scale would round to .020, or .024 which woud round to .020 also, nearly 10mg swing

so in this case you have to use a formula for say 50 caps at a time to take the variance out of the equation

For the first time, wouldnt you have to measure out each one individually? If you were off, you just did the same error 50x..

 

[blut wump]

Copied from elsewhere...

Although there are easier methods out there when it comes to capping orals they produce results that are somewhat less than accurate. I (SV-1) decided to write this article to show you step by step how to produce caps with a high level of accuracy. Credit goes to AnabolicMaster, ColdStone and Lozgod who helped make this possible.

Things you will need to make your caps.

1. A capping device and empty gel caps. The two most popular capping devices are the "Cap-M-Quick" and "The Capsule Machine". The cap-m-quick does 50 caps at a time but you have to manually join the caps by hand. The capsule machine only does 24 caps at a time but automatically joins them for you. Both of these devices can be purchased to use either size "0" or "00" caps (size "0" caps are smaller than size "00"). I prefer the capsule machine and size "0" caps, but either device in either size is fine.

2. A scale to weigh the powders you'll be using to make your caps. I recommend either the Palmscale 5.0 which is accurate to 0.1g and has a capacity of 200g (cost approx $60), the iBalance 201 which is accurate to 0.01g and has a capacity of 200g (cost approx $100, my favorite), or the GemPro-50 which is accurate to 0.002g and has a capacity of 10g (cost approx $150).

3. The powdered version of the compound that you plan on capping. Oral compounds such as Anavar, DNP, Clomid, Dbol, Nolva and Winny make good capping choices. However compounds such as Clen, T3, Femara and Arimidex should never be capped because of their small dose amounts and the inherent inaccuracies of the capping process.

4. A powdered filler that will be used to take up the space in the caps that the active compound doesn't. Almost anything can be used as a filler, Protein Powder, Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate), Corn Starch, Flour, Creatine, Lactose, Glutamine, etc.

5. A mortar and pestle to thoroughly mix the active compound and filler together. Many compounding pharmacies use a mortar and pestle to mix their ingredients together for capping and if it's good enough for them it's good enough for me.


Now that we have everything necessary to make our caps here's how we do it. For the example below I'll use the capsule machine to make 48 caps with 100mg of Aspirin (active compound) and Baking Soda (filler).

1. Load 24 empty caps into the capsule machine, then fill all 24 caps with Baking Soda (tamping powder if final caps will be tamped).

2. Empty all the Baking Soda out of the capsule machine and weigh it. Total weight = 17,160mg

3. Divide that weight (17,160mg) by the number of capsules (24) to get the total weight per cap. 17,160mg / 24 = 715mg a cap.

4. Repeat these steps with the Aspirin powder. Total weight = 11,760mg / 24 = 490mg a cap.

5. Now we need to figure out the ratio of Aspirin to Baking Soda.

100mg Aspirin = Unknown mg of Baking Soda

490mg Aspirin = 715mg Baking Soda


(100mg Aspirin x 715mg Baking Soda) / 490mg Aspirin = 146mg of Baking Soda (this is the Unknown mg of Baking Soda, and how much must be removed to make space for 100mg of Aspirin)


715mg Baking Soda - 146mg = 569mg Baking Soda (this is how much Baking Soda to use per cap)


569mg Baking Soda x 48 caps = 27,312mg Baking Soda

100mg Aspirin x 48 caps = 4800mg Aspirin

So to make 48 100mg Aspirin caps we need 4800mg of Aspirin powder and 27,312mg of Baking Soda.


This is where the simpler methods fail and give inaccurate results. As the chart below shows, different compounds (like Aspirin and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)) weigh different amounts for the same volume. If we had simply subtracted 100mg from the Baking Soda we would not have had properly dosed caps, because to fit in 100mg of Aspirin we needed to subtract 146mg of Baking Soda.



Now that we know how much active compound and filler to use (Aspirin and Baking Soda) we need to mix them together. To do this we'll use a mortar and pestle with the geometric dilution method, which was introduced to me by pharmguy24 on AU. What's the geometric dilution method you ask? It's a method used when a small amount of powder needs to be *thoroughly* mixed with a larger amount of powder. To do this you mix all of the smaller powder with an approximately equal amount of the larger powder, this blend is called "mix 1". Then combine all of your "mix 1" with an equal amount of the larger powder and blend again, this is "mix 2". Keep going like this until all the powders have been mixed together.

So we place all of the Aspirin powder (the smaller amount of the two different powders) in the mortar and add an equal amount of the Baking Soda (approximately 4800mg), then blend them together with the pestle for a couple of minutes. This combination is our mix 1, and it is now 9600mg (4800mg Aspirin + 4800mg Baking Soda). After it's been blended for a few minutes add an equal amount of Baking Soda (9800mg) to your mix 1 and blend for a couple more minutes. This combination is our mix 2 and is 19,200mg (9800mg from mix 1 + 9800mg Baking Soda). After it's been blended for a few minutes add the remaining Baking Soda (12912mg) to your mix 2 and blend for a couple more minutes.

Why go to this extra trouble? Because even though we know the amounts of Aspirin and Baking Soda we're using are dead on, our caps will not be dosed properly if the powders are not mixed together very thoroughly.


Now we're ready to make our caps.

1. Load both the base and top of the capsule machine with the empty gel caps (the bottom should already be loaded from weighing the powder for mixing).

2. Place the base on its stand and pour the mixed powder over the empty caps, then spread it around using the supplied plastic card so all the caps are filled.

2a. Optional: At this point you can tamp the powder down and add more powder to the caps increasing the amount they can hold. But because what we want to cap fits fine without doing that we didn't calculate for it and wont be doing it.

3. Attach the top of the capsule machine (which contains the other halves of the caps) to the base.

4. Remove the capsule machine from its stand and press it down on your work surface applying even pressure to join the caps.

5. Remove the top from the capsule machine and press against the spring loaded plate on its back to eject the finished caps.

6. Repeat these steps until all your caps are made.

 

[drrman]

For the first time, wouldnt you have to measure out each one individually? If you were off, you just did the same error 50x..

yes, if i undestand your question right....if you scales are only accurate to .01g as most cheaper ones are you would be best to fill up 50 capsules with filler powder, then dump it all out on the scales cap by cap....this is the weight of the filler powder that will fill up all the capsules.....divide that by 50 or however many are in the control group....that will be the weight each capsule contains of filler powder

now you would need to do the same with the powder you want to cap....find out how much one capsule will hold of it doing the same thing. here is where scales to the .001g or mg work best, you don't have to use so many in your control group.

now you have to figure out a ratio of difference for the amount of volume the filler powder contains per weight versus the powder you are capping....for example anavar weighs much more per cap than say winny will.

say your filler powder is .250g per capsule, and your powder is .350g per capsule, and you have 50 capsules and you are making 50mg/capsule

now 50X.250 is 12.50 grams total powder, but you are going to add .050 of another substance....

.050X50 = 2.5g

you would normally think 12.5-2.5 to get how much filler, but the volume of filler is .250g/capsule and the volume of powder is .350g/capsule, so the powder in question is denser than the filler so that has to be taken into account


i do it like this

.250/.350 is .71 so the filler powder is only 71% of the same comparable volume of the powder you are making. or a 29% difference, or 1-.71 or 29, use this number in the following

so now do 12.5g - [2.5 + (2.5 X (1-.71))] = 12.5-3.225 = 9.275g filler powder

now add 2.5g powder to that 9.275 and mix like hell, this will then fill all the capsules evenly

 

[GymIntensity]

daym that sounds complicated. im almost positive i would mess the dosage up horribly. why cant u just measure out say "20grams" on the scale and just put it in a capsule and down it.............

 

[drrman]

daym that sounds complicated. im almost positive i would mess the dosage up horribly. why cant u just measure out say "20grams" on the scale and just put it in a capsule and down it.............

well bro, 20 grams is a SHITLOAD of any powder, 20mg on the other hand would be a normal dosage for say anavar.....20.00 is 20 grams, 00.020 is 20mg, hence the accuracy of the scale in question

most cheaper scales most people on here use only go to the hundredth of a gram, or .01 accuracy,

so if you wanted to take 20mg at a time and you want your scale to read .02g when it is really .0155g or it could be as high as .0244g, both of these will round to .02g on a scale of less accuracy, so you could have a swing there of 10mg.....make sense?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Thanks for the info Drrman..makes sense now!

 

[jambookie]

get a rcbs digital reloading scale, it measures in grams and grains, it is super acurate. it costs a bit more but if you want a high level of accuracy nothing can beat it. i load all my own bullets and when you work with maximum loads that can potentialy blow up in your face you want to know that you have a good scale. i think mine was around 300 canadian, but it is a good investment. ive had mine for about 8 years now and it has never let me down.

 

[GymIntensity]

well bro, 20 grams is a SHITLOAD of any powder, 20mg on the other hand would be a normal dosage for say anavar.....20.00 is 20 grams, 00.020 is 20mg, hence the accuracy of the scale in question

most cheaper scales most people on here use only go to the hundredth of a gram, or .01 accuracy,

so if you wanted to take 20mg at a time and you want your scale to read .02g when it is really .0155g or it could be as high as .0244g, both of these will round to .02g on a scale of less accuracy, so you could have a swing there of 10mg.....make sense?

aite DRRman i gotcha. so maybe need to get a scale to the 1/1000th spot?

and yes 20mg is what i meant....

so just get an accurate scale, measure out 20mg as close as possible, cap it, and down it/??? correct?

 

[kbrkbr]

The first time I bought powder, it took me about three hours to fill 50 caps.

Next, I got smart, suspended it in 151. Took about 15 minutes to make a year's supply. I squirt it into my protein shakes and barely taste it.

 

[drrman]

aite DRRman i gotcha. so maybe need to get a scale to the 1/1000th spot?

and yes 20mg is what i meant....

so just get an accurate scale, measure out 20mg as close as possible, cap it, and down it/??? correct?

yes, that sounds feasible bro, but 20mg is such a VERY small amount of powder its going to be extrememly hard to weigh 20mg even with the best scales and then place that tiny bit of powder into a capsule.......i've tried this, it sounds much easier than it actually is when you go to do it. you have to have some way to scrape the powder up off the scale, then funnel it into the capsule.....and it will still vary greatly from cap to cap because 20mg is SO VERY HARD to nail on the scale, if you breath heavy on the scale it will read a few mg's......not the mose reliable way to get your 20mg.....plus my acculabs that measure to the .001g cost me over 400 bucks

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

wow

 

[Tux]

I just got a cheap-ass scale that weighs to .1g. Weigh out 1.3g, add filler, spread into 50 caps, and that's 26mg/capsule, perfect for var, winny, drol, etc. Anything else lower concentration can just be dissolved in everclear. Btw, doesn't take long to get up to speed, I can make 300caps/hr.

 

[drrman]

aite DRRman i gotcha. so maybe need to get a scale to the 1/1000th spot?

and yes 20mg is what i meant....

so just get an accurate scale, measure out 20mg as close as possible, cap it, and down it/??? correct?

well sounds like it will work, but it just doesnt....20mg is such a small amount you can't reall measure it and then get it all accurately into a small capsule......i have a set of acculabs that measure to the .001g and its still not feasible.......if you try it you will see what i mean, so no need to waste your money on such an accurate set of scales, you MUST do them 50 or so at a time like i stated man, its not that hard, just a bit time consuming

 

[anabolic12]

well bro, 20 grams is a SHITLOAD of any powder, 20mg on the other hand would be a normal dosage for say anavar.....20.00 is 20 grams, 00.020 is 20mg, hence the accuracy of the scale in question

most cheaper scales most people on here use only go to the hundredth of a gram, or .01 accuracy,

so if you wanted to take 20mg at a time and you want your scale to read .02g when it is really .0155g or it could be as high as .0244g, both of these will round to .02g on a scale of less accuracy, so you could have a swing there of 10mg.....make sense?

I dont want to sound stupid here, but I understand why you would want to make more than a couple at a time, like you were saying due to accuracy do 50 a time. But my question is, whats with all the filler? Could you not just cap them without all the fillers?

If not, why is that so?

 

[drrman]

I just got a cheap-ass scale that weighs to .1g. Weigh out 1.3g, add filler, spread into 50 caps, and that's 26mg/capsule, perfect for var, winny, drol, etc. Anything else lower concentration can just be dissolved in everclear. Btw, doesn't take long to get up to speed, I can make 300caps/hr.

but man, to do this and do it accurately you MUST do as i said in that thread, you must know how much filler it takes to completely fill all the capsules FULLY when tamped and packed........otherwise you do not know for sure you have a constant distribution of drug in all the capsules

and the filler powder is usually a much different density than the powder you are using, so you have to do some math to account for the differences if you want to do it right

 

[drrman]

I dont want to sound stupid here, but I understand why you would want to make more than a couple at a time, like you were saying due to accuracy do 50 a time. But my question is, whats with all the filler? Could you not just cap them without all the fillers?

If not, why is that so?

ok, when you fill the capsules, you place them in a capsule machine, open side up....the recess down in there, you then spread and fill the powder over the top of the machine filling ALL the capsules to the very end......think of this, a capsule holds say 500mg powder, 500 X 50 capsules means there is 25 grams of powder to fill up all the capsules

now you are making 50mg/capsule, so that means 50mg X 50 = 2.5 grams total powder(say anavar) in 50 capsules

if you try and spread out 2.5 grams you will fill up the first five capsules and leave the other empty


do the filler is to distribute it evenly to all 50 or however many you are filling

so you use the filler to make sure that all capsules are filled completely and evenly with the actual powder distributed equally in the filler so it all workst out

make sense?

 

[chesty]

I like the mix it with everclear or 151. LOL.