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Anavar is overated!!

landser

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With all they hype on anavar, one would think this was the steroid of some crazy underground juice god. But this shit is for women! 40mg day and I see little, Im glad the test is just kicking in, cause this shit is weak! What are your feelings on this compound? I will admit that it has little side effects, but who cares when there are little gains.
 
anavar is highly overrated. It's has no benefits for bodybuilders. Power lifters, boxers and martial artists maybe, but not for muscle building purposes.

You can probably count on one hand the amount of competitive level bodybuilders who regularly use var.
 
georgie24 said:
fucking owned!


killerabqueen
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Eh, fuck you. lol Just kidding. Diet is good, but I didn't get much muscle gains like I thought I would, 10lbs, but half is water from my bulking diet.
 
I think the point has been made here; Var is for GIRLS.

Just look at the two post by brickgirl and Daisy_Girl.
 
landser said:
With all they hype on anavar, one would think this was the steroid of some crazy underground juice god. But this shit is for women! 40mg day and I see little, Im glad the test is just kicking in, cause this shit is weak! What are your feelings on this compound? I will admit that it has little side effects, but who cares when there are little gains.
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First off it's not hype. It totally depends on your goals. Not everyone is looking to put on 20 lbs of muscle per cycle. Actually, I really don't know many people that do. Most people exaggerate their gains. Also, some people are more genetically gifted and/or more advanced in their training. Believe me, 5-10 solid pounds of muscle along with a decrease in body fat without any major side effects is very respectable.

In general, I would never say one drug is better than another. Once again, it all depends on your goals. They all have their individually unique benefits. I believe that most people are reffering to the risks versus rewards issue when speaking of Oxandrolone as the primary and only drug in a cycle.

The primary increase of strength through Oxandrolone is through stimulation and formation of phosphocreatine, a compound in the body which can replenish ATP (adenosine tri-phosphate - main form of energy applied in humans). ATP provides the performance increase for explosive short term anaerobic exercise which is also why Creatine has become so popular due to it's abilities to replenish ATP. CP (creatine phosphate) + ADP (adenosine di-phospate) = ATP (andenosine tri-phosphate).

The androgenic stimulation provided with testosterone is far greater but comes with additional risks such as aromatization to Estrogen (gynecomastia, water retention) as well as a considerable ammount of surpression to the HPTA. This is more of a secondary action of Oxandrolone's affectiveness applied to strength and may also provide a theory as to why Oxandrolone users report less androgenic sides effects such as hairloss and acne which are far more common amongst Winstrol users. Another frequently associated side effect with Winstrol is joint pain. The severity of the side effects will ultimately depend on the users genetic perdisposition. The positive effects and benefits of Decca can not be argued. But the possible side effects such as increased levels of Prolactin and water retention can. Prolactin is the primary reason Decca users typically report HPTA surpression and a decrease in libido.

Taking a look at the factors presented above, when considering a cycle based on a single drug, Oxandrolone would make sense due to the mechanisms through which it increases strength, lipid oxidation, does not convert to Estrogen, has no effect on Prolactin and a minimal impact on HPTA surpression.

Jenetic
 
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anavar works, but yes, it is overrated. It still messes up your HPTA, is very expensive, eats your liver, etc. I prefer any injectable over this stuff.
 
I'm using powder var right now, about 35mg a day, first cycle.
It's been 5 weeks and I'm quite disappointed. I've gained perhaps 4lbs. I have not seen real fat loss. Strentgh is up but I dont really care. I've put less than 1/2 inches on my arms. It might sound ok but I would have gained easily half of that training naturally.

And oh balls seem to have shrunk, great...

If I do another cycle, I'll use something more powerfull, at least test.
 
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Sigmund Roid said:
anavar works, but yes, it is overrated. It still messes up your HPTA, is very expensive, eats your liver, etc. I prefer any injectable over this stuff.
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All of you with negative feedback on var have obviously never run btg's. :p
 
if you are an advanced male bodybuilder, then var is not the drug for size building purposes, its too mild. And by advanced, I dont mean 16" arms, I mean competitive size. It is good for maintaining mass while dieting, and for strength purposes. And it works awesome for women
 
landser said:
Eh, fuck you. lol Just kidding. Diet is good, but I didn't get much muscle gains like I thought I would, 10lbs, but half is water from my bulking diet.
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I think you misunderstood the purpose of var..it is a very mild oral that will produce slow but keepable gains..if u were looking to blow up you definitely picked the wrong gear..however depending on your experience with cycles a solid 5-10 lbs muscle gain from a var only cycle is considered the norm..so i think the var did its job for you..rember to sooner or later you will have to get stronger to get bigger, so it will pay dividends down the road as well!!
 
so youre saying adding 40 pounds and a few reps to your bench press in a matter of a few days has no benefit to us bodubuilders?

I thought lifting heavier weights gets you bigger< at least thats what works for me and most people I know-

You must be relying on water and bloat to get bigger or you feellike you made no gains. i would rather have lean but muscualr and keepable gains, not water based gains which you will lose or look like shit from anyway-

Anavar is dbol without the sides/water/bloat
 
landser said:
With all they hype on anavar, one would think this was the steroid of some crazy underground juice god. But this shit is for women! 40mg day and I see little, Im glad the test is just kicking in, cause this shit is weak! What are your feelings on this compound? I will admit that it has little side effects, but who cares when there are little gains.
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Anavar is NOT overated!! its OVER PRICED!!! :mad:
 
MyBodyIsMyTemple said:
Anavar is dbol without the sides/water/bloat
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not true, dbol is far more anabolic than anavar, anavars anabolic properties are pretty mild, while dbols are the opposite. Thats why, as I said earlier, that if you are already really advanced, its just not anablic enough to facilitate gains. I could eat it at 100mg a day and not gain
 
yarpic said:
I'm using powder var right now, about 35mg a day, first cycle.
It's been 5 weeks and I'm quite disappointed. I've gained perhaps 4lbs. I have not seen real fat loss. Strentgh is up but I dont really care. I've put less than 1/2 inches on my arms. It might sound ok but I would have gained easily half of that training naturally.

And oh balls seem to have shrunk, great...

If I do another cycle, I'll use something more powerfull, at least test.
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If your gaining 1/4" on your arms every 5 weeks natty, you shouldn't be using gear!
 
landser said:
With all they hype on anavar, one would think this was the steroid of some crazy underground juice god. But this shit is for women! 40mg day and I see little, Im glad the test is just kicking in, cause this shit is weak! What are your feelings on this compound? I will admit that it has little side effects, but who cares when there are little gains.
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I've said this all along......it's not the AAS you would use for "gains" anyway; anyone who has used it would know this. It's a cutting AAS and IMO is overrated in that capacity as well. People like Anavar because it doesn't aromatize and is great for BB's who want aesthetics and shit. Anavar is a favorite of females because it's not highly androgenic.

:chomp:
 
This is so typical over the last 5 years.

Anavar is not over-rated. What is it you think it was going to do for you?
People who are afraid to use a needle buy anavar and think they are going to make cycle out of it. Anavar is to ENHANCE a cycle not build one out of. It will increase your strength somewhat, maybe add 5 pounds, and help with fat burning. That is what anyone who knows about this steroid will tell you. So how can it be "over-rated"? What's more likely is that you didn't do enough research on it and your expectations were too high.
You want to get big? Get some test or nandrolone and shoot it into your muscle, eat like a pig and train like an animal. You can't take a few tabs of anavar and think that that's going to do the same thing.
 
ulter said:
You want to get big? Get some test or nandrolone and shoot it into your muscle, eat like a pig and train like an animal. You can't take a few tabs of anavar and think that that's going to do the same thing.
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Dayamn! Ulter dropping some science. This is one of my favorite quotes of the month. Why is this so hard to understand? Test is the anabolic. The others are synthetic testosterones.
 
ulter said:
Anavar is not over-rated. What is it you think it was going to do for you?
People who are afraid to use a needle buy anavar and think they are going to make cycle out of it. Anavar is to ENHANCE a cycle not build one out of. It will increase your strength somewhat, maybe add 5 pounds, and help with fat burning. That is what anyone who knows about this steroid will tell you. So how can it be "over-rated"? What's more likely is that you didn't do enough research on it and your expectations were too high.
You want to get big? Get some test or nandrolone and shoot it into your muscle, eat like a pig and train like an animal. You can't take a few tabs of anavar and think that that's going to do the same thing.
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Razorguns said:
what about stacking EQ with anavar? i'm thinking about doing that. and methyl-dien tablets (3/day).
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I would do that but I can't really afford var in acceptable in quantities. Still, it's a great drug and anybody who wasn't happy with the results either didn't take enough or had unrealistic expectations.
 
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very good answer ulter.
 
I don't understand all the negativity surrounding var. Usually with increased strength comes increased size, at least thats the way it works for me.
 
everyone on here is right...

var is not for size...test/deca/dbol is.

that said, it is an awesome drug for use at the end of a bulker. It does a great job of solidifying gains while getting rid of water-bloat before PCT. I only wish it was a little cheaper.
 
needsize said:
not true, dbol is far more anabolic than anavar, anavars anabolic properties are pretty mild, while dbols are the opposite. Thats why, as I said earlier, that if you are already really advanced, its just not anablic enough to facilitate gains. I could eat it at 100mg a day and not gain
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agreed theoretically, but as far as my personal experience:

4 weeks of dbol = big and strong but not just my muscles, my entire "frame", (joints and all) were puffier. So yes i put on more "mass" and weight and size with Dbol, but it wasnt very pretty. Skin looked watery even with ancillaries

4 weeks of var = about as strong as I was on the dbol, less weight gain, my muscles grew bigger but my weight and frame remained almostt untouched, joints stayed small while my muslces really grew. I may have lost some fat a swell, my skin was more "shrink wrapped. Loved the clean look it gave me

I think it boils down to ones goals and preferences- and like you said their advancement
 
tren+var+masteron is the ticket to prettyness. I don't see why somebody coudln't keep 10 lbs. of lbm and lose 5 lbs. of fat from 8 weeks of this.
 
As usual some of you expect way too much from drugs. It's a mild steroid, it's a great drug if you're an advanced bber that wishes to take a break from the harsher compounds out there. If you're looking to get huge try some Tren, Deca, and a shitload of test. That will work.

If you didn't experience any fat loss maybe you should look at your diet.

If you gained "only" 1/2 on your arms that you say you could have done naturally you shouldn't be using steroids. I'd have to take a gram of test to put 1/2' on my arms.

Yes, it is overrated by some. However it is a good drug for very specific purposes.
 
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I don't think anavar is over-rated at all. Some people have expectations that are too high...but anavar will give you slow, quality gains with minimal side effects. And it will enhance any cycle that you want to include a mass-gain drug with.
 
actually, i have some 5mg anavar PRESSED tabs that are kick ass!!

i noticed a very solid increase in strenght at 50mg a day.
these ARE the real deal my friends!

the price is a little high...
but wtf... i spent more money in casinos.
 
landser said:
With all they hype on anavar, one would think this was the steroid of some crazy underground juice god. But this shit is for women! 40mg day and I see little, Im glad the test is just kicking in, cause this shit is weak! What are your feelings on this compound? I will admit that it has little side effects, but who cares when there are little gains.
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I don't know why it is a shock to anyone that var does not build size. It is well known that it is the worst aas for promoting size gains. I would dare say that some pro hormones would probably give you better results and for much less money and it legally.
 
ulter said:
Anavar is to ENHANCE a cycle not build one out of. It will increase your strength somewhat, maybe add 5 pounds, and help with fat burning.
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Well said. Experienced intellegent bb'ers use anavar as an additive to a test/Deca cycle, it helps increase the strength and keep down the bloat which Dball would normally escalate in such a cycle.
Gaining 50-60 lbs on majopr lifts will go a long way in tearing down tissue with the var and the test deca doing the repair work.
Insane strength gains are reported when creatine is added to the mix.

Also Mexican var is high quality and not that expensive.
 
Throughout the '80's and early '90s the general logic was that anavar would actually cost you size unless you ate a ton of red meat (think creatine) with it. It was until I got to EF that I heard of people claiming incredible size gains with it.
 
anavar is good, cuz some of us DON'T want to take test or deca or eq and get hair loss, bitch tits or tiny balls.
 
i'm amazed that someone is actually taking something that they appear to no very little about. I'm not trying to be judgemental but that seems foolish. everyone should thoroughly research any AAS that they are condering "B4" using them.
 
var is great for what its designed to do, and that is maintain muscle mass and strength. its true, that people expect it to be like dbol except better since it costs more. the cost is for quality, keepable gains with none to minimal sides.
 
how much anavar should be done and on how long of a cycle? What are good drugs to mix with it to get cut?
 
Is 25 mg ed for 20 days enough for 1st cycle? (in middle of 10 week deca cycle) ...I sure hope so cuz that's the best I can do!
 
Question - If someone had 1000 mg (200 x 5 mgs tabs), what would some of you recommend as a good way to use that?

40 mgs/day x 25 days?
30 mgs/day x 33 days?
25 mgs/day x 40 days?
20 mgs/day x 20 days?

My friend is not looking to gain much mass at all, mainly looking to lean out (and yes, dieting is the first priorty, my friend knows that).

Opinions?
 
25 x 40 i'd say, but don't expect much with only 25mg/day. Better to go at least 40-45 mg for 10 weeks if possible. I know he only prolly has 1g but he should really consider getting another bottle or 2 of tabs.
 
i wouldn't waste my time with 4 weeks of var. 8-12 weeks is idea imo.
 
Riker29 said:
Question - If someone had 1000 mg (200 x 5 mgs tabs), what would some of you recommend as a good way to use that?

40 mgs/day x 25 days?
30 mgs/day x 33 days?
25 mgs/day x 40 days?
20 mgs/day x 20 days?

My friend is not looking to gain much mass at all, mainly looking to lean out (and yes, dieting is the first priorty, my friend knows that).

Opinions?
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I'd say if he was SERIOUS about the diet and didn’t expect much if any muscle gain give it a try. He'd really be using it for muscle sparing purposes.
#3 BTW
 
I don't see why guys don't just do 3-4 var only cycles, and gain 20-30 pounds of keepable gains instead of 1 cycle of drol, dbol, EQ where you gain 35 and keep 12lbs. Var is not expensive if you find the right source. Its actually pretty cheap. Only stuff like BTG is super expensive and really a waste of money in my opinion.
 
i think it is overarated. it is good but not for amazing gains. maybe the first time.
 
skew you all, var is the shiznit!
maybe, just maybe, if your prime goal was gaining weight and you chose var, you shouldnt be on gear at all. this is why you guys arnt happy.... cause var gives you exactly what you put into it! you eat 7 times a day (LEAN MEALS). train right and sleep right with var and you will be a very happy camper. you gained 10 lbs and you lost body fat!!!! this means your actual LBM gain was very nice! most of the time you wont hold on to more than 10-15 LBM on most cycles anyways. so what are you whining about?
var is the shit, and where is huck to back my ass up, lol
 
i agree though for the gains you get with minimal sides it is worth it in a way. i dont care about the money its the sides i care about.
 
imo a very nice drug! i'm in the 2nd week @ only 15mg/day of SPA's -
never took such a low dose, but even at this very low dose it works.
i'm taking the whole dose AM, strength is not yet up, but in combination
of a good diet and cardio i can already notice a nice fatloss.

sure, i should take a higher dose, but regarding my goals, to look good with
min sides, it's ok. i'm looking forward to the 3rd week when i'm switching from
the spa's to the bonavar brand. total length of my cycle will be 8 weeks.
 
dr0832 said:
I don't see why guys don't just do 3-4 var only cycles, and gain 20-30 pounds of keepable gains instead of 1 cycle of drol, dbol, EQ where you gain 35 and keep 12lbs. Var is not expensive if you find the right source. Its actually pretty cheap. Only stuff like BTG is super expensive and really a waste of money in my opinion.
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Believe me!, btg's are not a waste of money.
 
Maybe it's just one works really well for some people and does absolutely nothing for other people?

I have been on it for almost 3 weeks now @ 40mg/day and haven't seen any strength gains yet (this is my first cycle ever).

I am using it in conjunction with some cutting drugs (clen/eca) and proviron and although I'm cutting up pretty nicely, the strength gains haven't happened yet.

I was planning on 40mg/day for 8 weeks, but I'm going to finish off this 3rd week @ 40mg/day and then bump up to 60mg/day for another 4 weeks (so cut the cycle short by one week) in the hope that I will see strength gains.

VERY expensive drug - would be worth every penny if I was gaining strength like others have on it though. But I'm not. Maybe it just takes longer than 2-3 weeks to kick in for some.

Next cycle I will be jabbing myself and going down the test route.
 
androjunkie said:
Why not use them both? I am. Great combo IMO.
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Because of the price of anavar, and the fact that it's done nothing for me this time. I have a problem with paying a few days wages for something that does nothing for me.

Don't get me wrong - if I end up having good strength gains from the var cycle afterall, I will be using again like you suggest, with test. But unless something drastically improves over the next 4 weeks on my var cycle, I consider myself immune to it!
 
I think the discrepancy here is that many people are not making a distinction between:

Real Lean Mass Gains vs Water Bloat Gains

Real Lean Mass Gains vs Loseable Gains

Real Lean Mass Gains vs Increases in BodyFat which guys think make
em look "hyooj" but just makes then look puffy and smotth.
 
i guess most ppl aren't getting that point. Gaining 20 lbs. of fat/water/muscle doens't mean 20 lbs. lbm.
 
I think the problem here is that some are taking anavar, but not combining it with a STRONG workout regimen.

You can't have one without the other. If you don't -- the effects of anavar are neglible.

I (like everyone should) did lots of reading on anavar on the board before taking my first dose. From my observations, almost EVERYONE who took anavar and was training like an animal in the gym (read: lots of weights, cardio) -- made awesome gains. Those that sat at home, watched tv, barely worked out -- did not.

For those who take anavar as a "shortcut" to get big w/o having to bust ass in teh gym -- the same disappointing results will continue.

Those who take anavar for what it is -- a damn good *supplement* to their strength training -- find it to work wonders.

For me : I work out 7 days a week and am finding it to be a godsend. Already gained 15lbs in 3 weeks, and my weights/reps have been outstanding. The bf% hasn't occured yet -- but i'm planning on stacking methyl-dien with it this week, so i'm anxious to see the new results.

roger out.
 
Riker29 said:
I think the discrepancy here is that many people are not making a distinction between:

Real Lean Mass Gains vs Water Bloat Gains

Real Lean Mass Gains vs Loseable Gains

Real Lean Mass Gains vs Increases in BodyFat which guys think make
em look "hyooj" but just makes then look puffy and smotth.
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Yes.

And as I understand it, anavar is a strength gaining and muscle preserving drug. Discussing mass gains at all on anavar is pointless, since if you're trying to use a drug to gain mass, anavar isn't the one to choose imo.
 
Anavar is a good drug to take to increase muscle mass, not just temporary weight gain. It seems to be one of those drugs that will show any weak points in your diet or training very clearly.
 
mcr said:
Yes.

And as I understand it, anavar is a strength gaining and muscle preserving drug. Discussing mass gains at all on anavar is pointless, since if you're trying to use a drug to gain mass, anavar isn't the one to choose imo.
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if youre looking to blow up no var is not the drug of choice if you want solid gains then var will do that for you..do not compare var to test and then say its underrated!!!!!!!!
 
Personally -- i think these people are better off with M1T. Read the reviews. People are getting ENORMOUS mass gains with it and anavar's reuslts aren't even close. M1T is actually more what uninformed people believe Anavar is.
 
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