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ANADROL vs DBOL
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69: Well, it takes a real mental moron, such as youself to toss around verbal assaults over the web.... anyway, your from Arkansas, so I don't even know why I am surprised at your stupidity...
But I digress, as I said I haven't seen any studies directly linking the A50 to liver cancer. What I have seen is alot of people repeating what they have heard other people say. The Babic piece is not a study. Iknow plenty of guys who have used A50 in cycles on many occasions and havn't had any problems.
And as I said, all AS brings sides. I am sorry for your friends. But if they are as ignorant as you they likely abused the sust, the A50 and the Magic Mushrooms, or whatever else you rednecks use to get high, and they are suffering the consequences.
TPH
But I digress, as I said I haven't seen any studies directly linking the A50 to liver cancer. What I have seen is alot of people repeating what they have heard other people say. The Babic piece is not a study. Iknow plenty of guys who have used A50 in cycles on many occasions and havn't had any problems.
And as I said, all AS brings sides. I am sorry for your friends. But if they are as ignorant as you they likely abused the sust, the A50 and the Magic Mushrooms, or whatever else you rednecks use to get high, and they are suffering the consequences.
TPH
drveejay11
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WHITE716 said:
No sweat bro
THP- from your post i assume that you have never done abombs?
then how can you give this dude advice?
Do you actually think anyone has done a study with humans and anadrol at the doces most people take? You will never see that in a study. Just like you wont see any studies on the side effects of 1000mg of test per week.
Just because you cant see it on paper does not mean that it cant happen. We are just trying to help this dude out. You show your on stupidity by your previous post.
then how can you give this dude advice?
Do you actually think anyone has done a study with humans and anadrol at the doces most people take? You will never see that in a study. Just like you wont see any studies on the side effects of 1000mg of test per week.
Just because you cant see it on paper does not mean that it cant happen. We are just trying to help this dude out. You show your on stupidity by your previous post.
bigdelt69 said:
Sorry, bud, but I've gotta call this out. Every study ever done with Anadrol is based on 50mg-100mg a day. And yes, numerous have been done. The REASON it comes in only 50mg doses is because that IS the medicinal dose, not just the abused dose. I agree you probably won't see a study on a gram of test/week any time soon, but Anadrol was designed medicinally for 50mg/day. It is an anti-wasting agent and an aid in increasing red blood cell count. Since the mass introduction of erythropoietin, Anadrol was in effect left useless. It has, however, been reintroduced into medicinal use as an anti-wasting drug for HIV/AIDS cases. Actual medicinal use has actually EXCEEDED the 1-3 tabs/daily that are needed for bodybuildling purposes, to the tune of as many as 10 tabs a day.
The only studies I was able to find that showed evidence (equivocal, nonetheless; not guaranteed) of carcinogenic activity were over a 2 year time period and primarily in females (studies done on rats). Net: don't use Anadrol for two straight years at 150mg/day.
-B
69: I can gather from your post that you are a part of the illiterate majority of your state. I'm sorry, I'm using big words - you can't read asshole.
I said I've done A50 as well as dbol with several cycles.
If you did a simple search you would note that this subject has been debated many times on this Board, back before assholes like you littered the Board with your ignorance.
Oh, and BTW, I reccommended the guy do 25 mgs of the A50. Do you think 50mgs of Dbol is much better than 25mgs of A50? Further, Dave Palumbo, on his site a while back had a reference that 50 mgs of A50 was as toxic to your liver as one martini. Now if thats true, then A50 is like a tic tac, compared to the moonshine your rednecks drink....
BTW, if you actually read my post I said I preferred dbol, but I so rarely get to converse with morons so I'm enjoying this.
Now, get off the Board and get back to your cow-tipping or banging your cousin or whatever it was you were doing.
TPH
I said I've done A50 as well as dbol with several cycles.
If you did a simple search you would note that this subject has been debated many times on this Board, back before assholes like you littered the Board with your ignorance.
Oh, and BTW, I reccommended the guy do 25 mgs of the A50. Do you think 50mgs of Dbol is much better than 25mgs of A50? Further, Dave Palumbo, on his site a while back had a reference that 50 mgs of A50 was as toxic to your liver as one martini. Now if thats true, then A50 is like a tic tac, compared to the moonshine your rednecks drink....
BTW, if you actually read my post I said I preferred dbol, but I so rarely get to converse with morons so I'm enjoying this.
Now, get off the Board and get back to your cow-tipping or banging your cousin or whatever it was you were doing.
TPH
FreakMonster
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Here's a study for you guys:
http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/LT-studies/tr485.html
Under the conditions of this 2-year gavage study, there was equivocal evidence of carcinogenic activity of oxymetholone in male F344/N rats based on increased incidences of subcutaneous tissue fibromas and fibromas or fibrosarcomas (combined) of the skin, variably increased incidences of benign and benign or malignant pheochromocytomas (combined) of the adrenal gland, and increased incidences of renal tubule adenomas. There was clear evidence of carcinogenic activity of oxymetholone in female F344/N rats based on increased incidences of hepatocellular neoplasms. Increased incidences of alveolar/bronchiolar neoplasms and skin neoplasms in female rats were also related to oxymetholone administration.
http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/htdocs/LT-studies/tr485.html
Under the conditions of this 2-year gavage study, there was equivocal evidence of carcinogenic activity of oxymetholone in male F344/N rats based on increased incidences of subcutaneous tissue fibromas and fibromas or fibrosarcomas (combined) of the skin, variably increased incidences of benign and benign or malignant pheochromocytomas (combined) of the adrenal gland, and increased incidences of renal tubule adenomas. There was clear evidence of carcinogenic activity of oxymetholone in female F344/N rats based on increased incidences of hepatocellular neoplasms. Increased incidences of alveolar/bronchiolar neoplasms and skin neoplasms in female rats were also related to oxymetholone administration.
FreakMonster
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Some more good info on Anadrol.
The use of oxymetholone should be strict and brief. While it is no doubt the strongest steroid, quantitatively, its also by far the most hazardous steroid to your health. Apart from the great risk of common steroid-related side-effects (acne vulgaris, benign prostate hypertrophy, gynocomastia and androgenetic alopecia), it also has numerous other side-effects. Most notable is oxymetholone's hepatoxicity (damaging to the liver) : Its standard 17-alpha-alkylated as with most oral steroids, resulting in an inavoidable raise in liver transaminase enzyme counts. The most frequent of the hepatoxic effects is jaundice4 (yellow coloration of the skin) due to an oxymetholone induced increase in biliburine, but others include peliosis hepatis and formation of hepatic tumors (cancer). And that's not all. There is also a number of intrinsic side-effects noted with the use of this steroid. Headaches, stomach aches, nausea, vomiting, insomnia and diarrhea are among common afflictions associated with oxymetholone use.
Other notes I should mention about this compound are that oxymetholone's androgenic qualities are not linked to a 5-alpha reduced form. As a matter of fact it shows rather poor interaction with the 5AR enzyme, making it futile to treat a possible increase in hair loss with 5-alpha reductase-blocking products such as finasteride. Its androgenic component stems from the fact that oxymetholone is very much like Dihydrotestosterone were it not for the added 2-hydroxymethylene group. Since this group can be metabolically removed, that would leave methyl-DHT. A compound with a weaker affinity for the androgen receptor than straight DHT, but more active and with less affinity for the DHT-reducing enzyme 3beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase. Ultimately resulting in much stronger, instead of weaker androgenic effects than compounds that are actively 5-alpha reduced. This evens out largely, because the distribution is even across the body, where 5-alpha-reduction usually concentrates more potent androgenic forms in androgen responsive tissue such as skin and scalp.
The effect on the blood pressure is rather drastic, so its recommend that you use a anti-hypertensive drug in conjunction, especially if you already have a fairly high blood pressure. Here too the care and control of a physician is advised. Because of the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis) suppressive nature, the use of Clomid or Nolvadex and HCG is advised as well towards the end of your oxymetholone use. Lastly, oxymetholone also has an ill effect on the glucose tolerance5, causing borderline diabetic situations. Something to be weary of if you yourself have been diagnosed with similar problems already.
The use of oxymetholone should be strict and brief. While it is no doubt the strongest steroid, quantitatively, its also by far the most hazardous steroid to your health. Apart from the great risk of common steroid-related side-effects (acne vulgaris, benign prostate hypertrophy, gynocomastia and androgenetic alopecia), it also has numerous other side-effects. Most notable is oxymetholone's hepatoxicity (damaging to the liver) : Its standard 17-alpha-alkylated as with most oral steroids, resulting in an inavoidable raise in liver transaminase enzyme counts. The most frequent of the hepatoxic effects is jaundice4 (yellow coloration of the skin) due to an oxymetholone induced increase in biliburine, but others include peliosis hepatis and formation of hepatic tumors (cancer). And that's not all. There is also a number of intrinsic side-effects noted with the use of this steroid. Headaches, stomach aches, nausea, vomiting, insomnia and diarrhea are among common afflictions associated with oxymetholone use.
Other notes I should mention about this compound are that oxymetholone's androgenic qualities are not linked to a 5-alpha reduced form. As a matter of fact it shows rather poor interaction with the 5AR enzyme, making it futile to treat a possible increase in hair loss with 5-alpha reductase-blocking products such as finasteride. Its androgenic component stems from the fact that oxymetholone is very much like Dihydrotestosterone were it not for the added 2-hydroxymethylene group. Since this group can be metabolically removed, that would leave methyl-DHT. A compound with a weaker affinity for the androgen receptor than straight DHT, but more active and with less affinity for the DHT-reducing enzyme 3beta hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase. Ultimately resulting in much stronger, instead of weaker androgenic effects than compounds that are actively 5-alpha reduced. This evens out largely, because the distribution is even across the body, where 5-alpha-reduction usually concentrates more potent androgenic forms in androgen responsive tissue such as skin and scalp.
The effect on the blood pressure is rather drastic, so its recommend that you use a anti-hypertensive drug in conjunction, especially if you already have a fairly high blood pressure. Here too the care and control of a physician is advised. Because of the HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis) suppressive nature, the use of Clomid or Nolvadex and HCG is advised as well towards the end of your oxymetholone use. Lastly, oxymetholone also has an ill effect on the glucose tolerance5, causing borderline diabetic situations. Something to be weary of if you yourself have been diagnosed with similar problems already.
FreakMonster: thanks for that reading!!! It was educational and it takes alot of the jargon out of what we all were saying.
I understand your first piece in that the study is indicating that there is a correlation between the A50 and cancer female rats.
Freak, with respect, I am not sure what this says about a steriod user doing 25mg of Anadrol spread out over the whole day for 4 weeks. I am not disputing the study, but MAYBE its implications.
I'm not sure about this,but did the subject show signs of cancer while on equal doses of dbol, or any other AS.
Maybe these questions don't make sense, but blinding saying anadrol will cause cancer doesn't make sense to me. Any AS will cause serious health problems if not used right.
Again, I know plenty of guys, myself included, whom have used upwards of 150mgs of a50 for short periods and haven't had serious sides.
I understand your first piece in that the study is indicating that there is a correlation between the A50 and cancer female rats.
Freak, with respect, I am not sure what this says about a steriod user doing 25mg of Anadrol spread out over the whole day for 4 weeks. I am not disputing the study, but MAYBE its implications.
I'm not sure about this,but did the subject show signs of cancer while on equal doses of dbol, or any other AS.
Maybe these questions don't make sense, but blinding saying anadrol will cause cancer doesn't make sense to me. Any AS will cause serious health problems if not used right.
Again, I know plenty of guys, myself included, whom have used upwards of 150mgs of a50 for short periods and haven't had serious sides.
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