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Dont know if anyone takes anabolic steroids but, im taking a drugs and health class from a highly professional, neutralily stanced, experienced (has done lots of drugs etc), many years in the industry etc etc teacher at the university where i attend college. We have been going over stuff like psychadellics, fat burning pills, protein, uppers/downers, rec. drugs etc, but we recently went over anabolic steroids.

Now like i mentioned, this teacher is neutralily stanced and he lectured us on anablic steroids and was able to put the science in lamen terms so we could understand its true effects on the human body. To make a long story short, the effects are so terrible on your body, i think anyone who would ever use these or is thinking about using these do some extensive research on it because this stuff is pure evil and i feel bad to anyone who is stupid enough to use them.
 
I think I would read a bit more on this site hun.

I am a natural BBer, however, steroids play a part in this sport.

I think you will find that the use of performance enhancing drugs is ubiquitous.

I totally get you are concerned, and you want to make a difference with people, but consider that your lecturer has taken the 'worst case scenario'.

Steroids are not 'pure evil', as there are clinical uses for them, including osteoporosis, sacropenia, achondroplasia, hypogonadism, sexual dysfunction, anti-aging, to name a few.
 
I failed to mention HRT for both men and women, and of course, birth control pills, as oestrogen and progesterone are anabolic in women.
 
It might help a discussion if you were to tell us more about these "effects that are so terrible".

Almost everyone here has researched the matter in some depth and, of those who have researched, those using are the ones who deemed the effects not only not to be terrible but, rather, to be beneficial to their health and well-being.

In the absence of further information, one might reasonably suggest that you need a refund on that course.
 
Most of the effects that people cite regarding AAS use comes from abuse, not use. Under a physician's supervision (where monitoring of liver enzymes, thyroid functions, and other health effects), AAS can be safe. Unfortunately, Congress and the DEA think otherwise, and any physician who prescribes anabolics is likely to have his or her license revoked and face jail time. This is why nearly all physicians will refuse to write for steroids.

Taken in moderation, steroids will increase your chances of developing cancer (primarily liver), heart attack (through testosterone's ability to increase LDL while decreasing HDL, or the good cholesterol), stroke (raises blood pressure), and a few other ailments. However, as with every drug, there is a side effect-benefit discussion that needs to be made. Most people will agree that the benefits outweigh the side effects when used in moderation, with careful monitoring, and only for a short course done infrequently (i.e., every other year).

However, when people start stacking steroids, using mega doses, etc., then it becomes a serious problem where your risk of an adverse health effect is substantially increased. If physicians were allowed to prescribe steroids without federal watchdogs second guessing their prescribing patterns, then this would be less likely to occur. It's similar to the situation when abortions were banned: numerous women became seriously ill from sepsis and many died from abortions performed in alleys, pop up abortion clinics, and from unlicensed providers.
 
Alcohol is poison. It can literally kill. That doesn't mean everyone who takes a drink now and then is engaged in "pure evil."
 
Steroids are used for medical purposes, sports injuries etc. their main purpose is to get rid of inflammation. A star football player may injure his knee and they will inject steroids into the knee so he can finish the game and hopefully not create any permanent scar tissue. thats steroids, they dont use ANABOLIC STEROIDS for health issues lol.

As far as some notes on why this is bad? I will ask my teacher to email me his powerpoint slides so i can show you guys. I shouldnt even have to do this, you guys are all just rationalizing that they aren't bad, but i will if you insist. And to try and compare alcohol to anabolic steroids is like comparing marijuana to crystal meth.

I won't be able to convince most people here who use them, because they've already been brainwashed to the point of no return if they were retarted enough to do that to their bodies, but I can convince some other fellow weight lifters not to go down that STUPID path.
 
Oh and our teacher has an exclusive interview with arnold schawrtz. on the subject of steroids where he actually admitted using them during an interview. <my teacher has access to some crazy stuff>. And arnold said if he could go back and change one thing in his life it would be to change the fact that he even touched steroids let alone put them in his body. One could argue he said that for his political prestige, but he looked pretty damn serious to me when he said it.

And whoever posted about monitored, small doses of anabolic steroids being safe because it would decrease the likely hood of getting the negative side effects thats common sense bro. I'll give you props for awesome sentence structure, intelligent perspective writing style, but all you're really saying is street smart common sense. -- You take less of something = decreased chance of seing not only side effects, but beneficial effects. With your theory, we should all do heroine once in a while to feel that euphoric (10 times orgasm feeling) effect to relieve stress maybe once every 6 - 7 months. If we do it this way, its safe.

Im sorry to come on so hostile and biased but anyone who even supports or tries to rationalize beneficial, recreational use of steroids needs to be slapped in the face in my opinion.

In short, the use of anabolic steroids completley changes your body chemistry and how muscles grow and develop in your body. This isn't like creatine, aminos, or protein supps that are already naturally in your body, this is like a computer virus that is completley changing your body's code.
 
Elementality said:
Oh and our teacher has an exclusive interview with arnold schawrtz. on the subject of steroids where he actually admitted using them during an interview. <my teacher has access to some crazy stuff>. And arnold said if he could go back and change one thing in his life it would be to change the fact that he even touched steroids let alone put them in his body. One could argue he said that for his political prestige, but he looked pretty damn serious to me when he said it.

And whoever posted about monitored, small doses of anabolic steroids being safe because it would decrease the likely hood of getting the negative side effects thats common sense bro. I'll give you props for awesome sentence structure, intelligent perspective writing style, but all you're really saying is street smart common sense. -- You take less of something = decreased chance of seing not only side effects, but beneficial effects. With your theory, we should all do heroine once in a while to feel that euphoric (10 times orgasm feeling) effect to relieve stress maybe once every 6 - 7 months. If we do it this way, its safe.

Im sorry to come on so hostile and biased but anyone who even supports or tries to rationalize beneficial, recreational use of steroids needs to be slapped in the face in my opinion.

In short, the use of anabolic steroids completley changes your body chemistry and how muscles grow and develop in your body. This isn't like creatine, aminos, or protein supps that are already naturally in your body, this is like a computer virus that is completley changing your body's code.
Teacher this teacher that, has you or your teacher ever used steroids?If not get lost.
 
Elementality said:
Oh and our teacher has an exclusive interview with arnold schawrtz. on the subject of steroids where he actually admitted using them during an interview. <my teacher has access to some crazy stuff>. And arnold said if he could go back and change one thing in his life it would be to change the fact that he even touched steroids let alone put them in his body. One could argue he said that for his political prestige, but he looked pretty damn serious to me when he said it.

And whoever posted about monitored, small doses of anabolic steroids being safe because it would decrease the likely hood of getting the negative side effects thats common sense bro. I'll give you props for awesome sentence structure, intelligent perspective writing style, but all you're really saying is street smart common sense. -- You take less of something = decreased chance of seing not only side effects, but beneficial effects. With your theory, we should all do heroine once in a while to feel that euphoric (10 times orgasm feeling) effect to relieve stress maybe once every 6 - 7 months. If we do it this way, its safe.

Im sorry to come on so hostile and biased but anyone who even supports or tries to rationalize beneficial, recreational use of steroids needs to be slapped in the face in my opinion.

In short, the use of anabolic steroids completley changes your body chemistry and how muscles grow and develop in your body. This isn't like creatine, aminos, or protein supps that are already naturally in your body, this is like a computer virus that is completley changing your body's code.
It should be common sense. However, physician monitoring can detect when even small doses start to cause health effects. This may not be common sense.

You cannot compare heroin and anabolics. Heroin is highly addictive, and many of the heroin addicts I treat in the emergency department tell me that they wish they could go back to that first time they used heroin and not ever have used. Many have told me that they said to themselves they would use it one time to see what it's like. It's highly addictive, and many found themselves giving into cravings and becoming addicts, which is not what is intended.

At any rate, it looks like the student is fast becoming the teacher, and it appears that you've already made up your mind. So I ask you young grasshopper, why are you even eliciting opinions here if you've already made up your mind?
 
Anabolic steroids arent used for health issues? You obviously dont know what you are talking about at all, nor does your teacher......Chronic renal insuficency related amemia, aplastic anemia, hypogonadalism, enhanced anabolism to combat cachexia, HRT are just a FEW reasons to use anabolic agents (nandrolone, fluoxymesterone, oxandrolone, oxymetholone, various testosterone esters)......LOOK IT UP IN A DRUG GUIDE! I work in the medical field, work with board certified endocrineologists (EXPERTS in the bodys hormone system and the use of hormones)....and you or your teacher done know what you are talking about.....ask the American Medical Association, they OPPOSED the controlling of steroids.

TESTOSTERONE doesnt have the damaging effects on lipids (there are studies on them, look them up on pub med) or the liver (these are the alkylated oral drugs only).....nandrolone and test are safer than APAP.

In fact, those drugs you speak of, glucocorticoids i see in practice all the time and they have a much worse side effect profile than androgens...evern seen what solu-medrol does to a diabetics bloog glucose?

ETOH has a much greater potential to do harm than AAS....i mean EVERYONE has testosterone in them right now, taking more does have some sides, but 90% are transient and not even a big deal (oily skin, hair loss to those prone, etc). Go to the CDC website and compare deaths caused by ETOH vs AAS....prepare to be suprised.

Im really tired of people who have no medical/scientific background pretending to be experts in medical/scientific discussions......its like me telling a mother of 12 what it feels like to give birth......lol!

Pick up a medical drug book and educatue yourself before calling others stupid.

Elementality said:
Steroids are used for medical purposes, sports injuries etc. their main purpose is to get rid of inflammation. A star football player may injure his knee and they will inject steroids into the knee so he can finish the game and hopefully not create any permanent scar tissue. thats steroids, they dont use ANABOLIC STEROIDS for health issues lol.

As far as some notes on why this is bad? I will ask my teacher to email me his powerpoint slides so i can show you guys. I shouldnt even have to do this, you guys are all just rationalizing that they aren't bad, but i will if you insist. And to try and compare alcohol to anabolic steroids is like comparing marijuana to crystal meth.

I won't be able to convince most people here who use them, because they've already been brainwashed to the point of no return if they were retarted enough to do that to their bodies, but I can convince some other fellow weight lifters not to go down that STUPID path.
 
Swatdoc, this dud doesnt know what hes talking about......changing the bodys code liek a virus? AAS are not mutagenic/carinogenic....again, someone with no science background trying to sound scientific.
 
sweet jesus. everyone of you who is arguing against me about this topic is a retard and i have no sympathy for you when you all die before your hair turns grey because you used steroids. end of discussion.
 
You are probably a highschool student or a liberal arts major.....honestly, if you dont understand the matter being discussed, dont pretend like you do. One health teachers info doesnt trump the info of medical doctors and researchers (again, www.pubmed.com all kinds of actuall medical journals and reasearch showing AAS use in medicine, including those that showed 600mg test a week resulted in very few if any side effects).

Your evidence is your teacher (probly a nutritionist, doesnt know shit), mine is studies and clinical practice by medical professionals......whos the retard?

You said AAS arent use in medicine....you showed complete ignorance to this topic, so yeah, end of disscussion for you.....dont belive what ONE person (who is not an expert on the issue) tells you or what you hear on 60min (people looking to be PC, not doctors). They bring up Lyle Alzado and Chris Benoit, but look at what the ACTUALL MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND DOCTORS SAID.....death not caused by AAS use.

The youth of todays society need to question authority and look for the truth themselves, the media wants to demonise AAS becasue the gonvernment says its bad, they do this becasue its PC, they do it with HORRIBLE case studies as argument and a lot of propaganda......kinda like with weed and saying HIV was a homosexual virus.....the truth comes out eventually, so you will see, if you arent too ignorant to open your eyes and look.........
 
eep I knew i'd see one of these posts sooner or later.
I believe that anything used in moderation (however one precieves this) is fine.
Iv'e used plenty of drugs in moderation... anything from weed to heroin (half baked) haha..
And i'm in the best shape of my life, and mentally the most stable and sucsessful (sp) .

The golden rule the government wants everyone to think

***If the Government isn't directly beneffited or profitted from a matter, than It's Dangerous and Detramental***

Thats what the media, public schools, and even parents (which are media ran) have to say.
Think what you want, It just makes the end user of a great thing appreciate it that much more =]
 
Very good information in this thread, if i may say so myslef, you sir need to recap what has just happend here. your liberal anticts and under-researched views of anabolics and their chemistry has surley shown everyone here your stupidity and un-willigness to recieve feedback...however scientifically proven the feedback is. you say you wish to make a difference? well you have not shown that in any way, quite frankly all that you have done is to come on a board dedicated to Education and insult the mebers here.

I own and operate a business training elite athletes, and i do support the ATLAS and ATHENA youth anti-steroid program (pleae read before the flame!), and a mission of mine is to train the young elite athletes and teach them the science of natural performance enhancement to facilitate their ability to reach the limits of their genetic potential. You see as a young D1 prospect with nothing to loose i took the needle, and i reaped the benefits of test, Anavar - oxandrolone - , winstrol, turnabol, and many others and loved it; so much that i kept doing them, and found out for my self what substance abuse can cuase in a young undeveloped teen with a high natural test level to boot. I have been around this board for more than a year, READING...and becuase of the knowledge i have gained here i have been able to build kids into unbelivable athletes, and educate them on anabolics and why they shouldnt take them at this point in their lives.

I am not agaisnt anabolics, just anabolics being sold on the streets to kids withno future willing to spend 6 months savings on a "4 week Cycle". I am agaisnt the predetors out there telling my athletes they need steroids to get to college, and i am also agaisnt un-educated ass-holes telling other people what to do with their lives. I have taken steroids, i started at 15 years old, and continued for 3 years. do i regret it? NO. why? because i have the knowledge and experience that people like you will never achieve, and i have knowledge that many PES in my industry lack which i can pass on to my students.

my advice? do what ive done. God has given you 2 ears and one mouth...i prefer to take the hint and listen and learn twice as much as i talk.

-J_Merk
 
Who cares? If he wants to learn then he'll ask questions, if he doesn't then he won't.

Give him some red for rudeness and forget about him. If he keeps it up then report him for abuse.
 
Elementality said:
sweet jesus. everyone of you who is arguing against me about this topic is a retard and i have no sympathy for you when you all die before your hair turns grey because you used steroids. end of discussion.

Shall I find some of the papers in the New England Journal of Medicine, Lancet, British Medical Journal where they have used anabolic steroids for the treatment of some of the diseases listed?

I think you may just have realised that your position is a bit flawed, as you have resorted to personal attacks.

Also the steroids they would inject into someone's knee for inflammation are corticosteroids (what a retarded mistake :)) which is a different matter entirely than anabolic steroids (which still have a medical use).

There are at least 6 listed in the British National Formulary, which is used for prescribing drugs in the UK.

Just to let you know, I don't take steroids, I was a bit taken aback to find out how common their usage is, however, there is responsible use.

After I am finished competing in natural bodybuilding, I would consider doing anabolic steroids, growth hormone, for some of the anti-aging properties that they confere.
 
Let's also not forget that the steroid hormone oestrogen is commonly taken by millions of women for non-medical, purely recreational purposes to inhibit ovulation in birth-control pills.
 
The ammount of denial coming from you guys is very sad. You can rationalize all you want, but if you're taking steroids to gain muscle and not for any kind of doctor reccommended treatment then I think you are damaging your body in a terrible way. I'll admit (and apologize) that I may have been incorrect about some of the medical assumptions i made and that I failed to accurately sound scientificially knowledgeable on this subject, but I don't need to be an expert in this subject to make the correct stance.

This reminds me of arguing with my friends in highschool about why smoking cigarattes is bad for you, and then because i failed to have backed up "scientific medical knowledge" on the subject, they said anything i had to say wasn't credible.

All you guys are doing is regurgitating some kind of madmans rationialzation of safe steroid use for muscle gains that you read, or studied somewhere in this world.

Don't forget, I am not arguing against medical use of steroids, I am arguing about the recreational use of them for muscle growth. If you want to gain muscles, then have patience, determination, and have a healthy lifestyle. BUT HEY, if you wanna use steroids and say that you only use them on these MAGICALY SAFE cycles then be my guest............................dumb a&%es

oh and as far as reporting me for abuse? since when is telling idiots that they're idiots abuse? comon, grow a pair of balls and lift weights naturally...oh wait!, i forgot you probably don't have any more balls because all the steroids...rofl
 
You want some facts, heres some facts: Anabolic steroids are used for very specific medical conditions, for example muscle wasting in AIDS or some of the other things that you guys listed. Hey, if a doctor reccommends it then listen to the doc.
Corticosteroids are the sterpods used for common steroid treatment, and much safer too.

Both men and women naturally produce testosterone. But like all hormones, which regulate the body's most basic functions, throwing one's testosterone out of balance is very dangerous and reccommended by a wide range of medical profesionals to not be executed unless extreme medical conditions call for its use.

Doctors can prescribe steroids, but it is very illegal for a doctor to prescribe steroids for the use of athletic enhancement. BTW what country do you guys all live in? one where the government doesnt give a rats a** about the general health of the public? maybe thats why you're all so brainwashed into idiocy.

Here are some short term effects of using steroids if you use that MAGICAL SAFE (lol) CYCLE system that some of you seem to promote here. If you dont "abuse" steroid use, then you might "ONLY" see these side effects:

Insomnia, loss of appetite, acne, muscle and joint pains, pain specifically in the calves, muscle cramps, shortness of breath, sneezing & runny nose, chronic sinus trouble, heartburn and/or indigestion, excessive gas, frequent urination, nighttime urination, water retention (looking fat), cuts and bruises slow to heal, occasional irregular heartbeats, leg cramps at rest or at night, coldness of hands and feet, back pains, numbness and tingling (in arms, legs, and face), muscle twitches, memory problems....again, these are short term, for people who just use them maybe a few times....long term effects for those who use it slightly more will experience the following -

Men:

Develop breasts
Get painful erections
Have their testicles shrink
Have decreased sperm count
Become infertile
Become impotent

Women:

Grow excessive face and body hair
Have their voices deepen
Experience menstrual irregularities
Have an enlarged clitoris
Have reduced breast size
Have a masculinized female fetus

Men and Women:

Get acne
Have an oily scalp and skin
Get yellowing of the skin (jaundice)
Become bald
Have tendon rupture
Have heart attacks
Have an enlarged heart
Develop significant risk of liver disease and liver cancer
Have high levels of "bad" cholesterol
Have mood swings
Fly into rages
Suffer delusions

Teens (the ones im trying to save from ruining their lives):

Have short height due to arrested bone growth
Girls may suffer long-term masculinization

You can be very athletic, mass leaned muscle body and good looking EASILY without ever using steroids. I think if you use steroids, not only are you stupid, but you're desperate and lazy.

For all you supportes of anabolic steroids out there, if you're OK with having a HIGH chance <not absolute> of getting some, if not all, of these side effects, then go right ahead and use them. Perhaps you just don't value the integrity, and fullness of life that rational people do.
 
Don't get mad at us because you can't grow any muscle.What a man or women decide to do with their body is their business.So Fuck off
 
Lol, I love the side effects. Especially "mood swings" and "flying into rage." Another ignorant fool who believes 'roid rage is real. Dude, do some actual research.

Oh, and as for accusing the people who use steroids of being too lazy to work hard for muscle - most of the guys on here who use steroids already reached their peak naturally, and only use 'roids to go above and beyond their natural limits. Thus, using 'roids appropriately.
 
haha, dont be so sensitive you big goones. I simply posted that steroids are terrible for the human body, you guys denied it, and naturally i responded. the huge defensive stance you guys took was entertaining for me. i love seing people in denial act out defensively...i used to be one of them

i think the best and most intelligent post i read was from the guy who said "its for men and woman to decide what they want to do with their bodies. fuck off".

Simply, he's acknowledging that steroids are bad for you, but its peoples choices to do whatever they want. fine by me. thats all i was lookin for. early reponses to my original post were trying to deny the degree of adverse effects from the use of anabolic steroids with the intention of athletic <and ego> enhancement which is complete ignorant crap.

i got the answer i was looking for from the man who posted above, so lets just drop it.

CONCLUSION: recreational use of steroids <strict cycle or not> have <what any rational person would perceive to be> terrible side effects, short and long term. they also create huge muscle gains <hmm is it really worth it though?>. people have the choice to do what they want with their bodies, and i should just fuck off on trying to preach to everyone. so i will no longer preach how you are are dumb ass mother fuckers for taking steroids and how i bet that the pupils in your eyeballs are bigger than your balls and that the ammount of jiz you can shoot out of your pecker is smaller than the ammount of liquid inside a baby ant.
 
Elementality said:
You want some facts, heres some facts: Anabolic steroids are used for very specific medical conditions, for example muscle wasting in AIDS or some of the other things that you guys listed. Hey, if a doctor reccommends it then listen to the doc.
Corticosteroids are the sterpods used for common steroid treatment, and much safer too.


THIS IS NOT TRUE, AGAIN, I WORK IN MEDICINE, THE SIDE EFFECT PROFILE OF GLUCOCORTICOIDS IS WORSE AND MORE COMMONLY SEEN THAN THE SIDES OF ANABOLIC STEROIDS.

Both men and women naturally produce testosterone. But like all hormones, which regulate the body's most basic functions, throwing one's testosterone out of balance is very dangerous and reccommended by a wide range of medical profesionals to not be executed unless extreme medical conditions call for its use.

TRUE, IT PUTS THINGS OUT OF WACK, BUT THIS IS CALLED NEGATIVE FEEDBACK INHIBITION, A TEMPRORARY CONTIDION WHICH CORRECTS ITSELF AFTER EXOGENOUS HORMONES ARE STOPPED. AS FAR AS THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN FROM THIS SHIFT, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ROLE TEST PLAYS ANYWAY< IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD SEE THAT NONE OF THEM ARE LIFE THREATENING AND REVERSABLE.

Doctors can prescribe steroids, but it is very illegal for a doctor to prescribe steroids for the use of athletic enhancement. BTW what country do you guys all live in? one where the government doesnt give a rats a** about the general health of the public? maybe thats why you're all so brainwashed into idiocy.

WE KNOW THEY ARE ONLY PRESCRIBED FOR LEGIT MEDICAL CONDITIONS< BUT MOST DRUGS HAVE OFF LABEL USES THEY CAN BE USED FOR>>>>>LIKE PROTEIN ANABOLISM!!!!!!

Here are some short term effects of using steroids if you use that MAGICAL SAFE (lol) CYCLE system that some of you seem to promote here. If you dont "abuse" steroid use, then you might "ONLY" see these side effects:

BEFORE I LOOK AT YOUR SIDES, NOBODY SAYS THEY ARE WITHOUT SIDES, BUT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE TYPES OF SIDES AND HOW OFTEN THEY OCCUR BEFORE YOU SAY ITS DOWNRIGHT TOO DANGEROUS.......EXAMPLE, AMPHOTERACIN B CAUSES SEVERE DAMAGE IN OVER HALF ITS USERS....THIS IS A SERIOUS SIDE THAT OCCURS OFTEN MAKING IT A DANGEROUS DRUG.......HGM CoA REDUCTASE INHIBITORS (statin, anti cholesterol drugs) CAN CAUSE RHABDOMYOLYSIS, BUT QUITE RARELY.....THE FACT THAT ITS RARE MAKES IT A PRETTY SAFE DRUG.......ACE INHIBITORS CAUSE A CHRONIC COUGH IN MOST OF ITS USERS.....SIDE EFFECT SEEN RECENTLY, BUT NOT LIFE THREATENING AT ALL... SO ITS CONSIDERED A SAFE DRUG.

Insomnia, loss of appetite, acne, muscle and joint pains, pain specifically in the calves, muscle cramps, shortness of breath, sneezing & runny nose, chronic sinus trouble, heartburn and/or indigestion, excessive gas, frequent urination, nighttime urination, water retention (looking fat), cuts and bruises slow to heal, occasional irregular heartbeats, leg cramps at rest or at night, coldness of hands and feet, back pains, numbness and tingling (in arms, legs, and face), muscle twitches, memory problems....again, these are short term, for people who just use them maybe a few times....long term effects for those who use it slightly more will experience the following -

Men:

Develop breasts
Get painful erections
Have their testicles shrink
Have decreased sperm count
Become infertile
Become impotent

INFERTILITLY HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN IN ANY STUDY, THE OTHERS ARE TEMPORARY AND REVERSABLE AND NOT DANGEROUS IN ANYWAY, MORE COSMETIC SIDES.

Women:

Grow excessive face and body hair
Have their voices deepen
Experience menstrual irregularities
Have an enlarged clitoris
Have reduced breast size
Have a masculinized female fetus

SEE ABOVE, BUT LESS REVERSABLE< BUT WOMEN WHO USE AAS SHOULD KNOW THIS AND THEY MAY NOT CARE ABOUT THESE COSMETIC SIDES, THEIR CHOICE.

Men and Women:

Get acne
Have an oily scalp and skin
Get yellowing of the skin (jaundice)
Become bald
Have tendon rupture
Have heart attacks
Have an enlarged heart
Develop significant risk of liver disease and liver cancer
Have high levels of "bad" cholesterol
Have mood swings
Fly into rages
Suffer delusions

THE SERIOUS ONES ARE VERY RARE, ONLY A FEW DOCUMENTED CASES IN MEDICAL LITERATURE AND ARE ONLY SEEN WITH LONG TERM USE (ONLY the oral drugs causing liver damage, longterm high use of AAS in general leading to left ventricular hypertrophy)....THE HYPERLIPIDEMIA (leads to the heart attacks you stated) IS TRANSIENT AND CORRECTABLE UPON STOPPING AAS USE. THE MOOD SWINGS ARE HIGHLY OVERRATED, STEROIDS ARENT PSYCH DRUGS LIKE SSRIS AND MOOD STABILIZERS< THEY DONT FUCK WITH BRAIN CHEMISTRY TO THE POINT OF RAGING....IT MAKES YOU IRRITABLE< YES< SO IT WILL MAKE AN ASSHOLE AN EVEN BIGGER ONE. THERE ARE STUDIES OF MEN TAKING TEST AT 600MG A WEEK FOR OVER 10 WEEKS AND NO CHANGES IN MOOD OR BEHAVIOR WERE NOTED> ACTUALL STUDY, NOT SPECULATION ON 60MINUTES OR SOME AFTERSCHOOL TV SPECIAL. THERE ARE A FEW ISOLATED CASES OF PEOPLE LOOSING THEIR TEMPER THAT YALL CALL ROIDRAGE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF USERS DO NOT EXPERIENCE THIS....HOW MANY PEOPLE GET INTO FIGHTS AT BARS BECASUE OF ETOH....REST MY CASE

THE REST ARE MOSTLY COSMETIC, AND THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGH THE RISKS IN USERS EYES. AGAIN, THE RESEARCH OF THE SIDE EFFECTS SEEN IN THE LAST 30-40 YEARS SHOWS WHAT I HAVE JUST STATED< WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO ARGUE WHAT HAS BEEN PROVEN, AND CONTINUE TO BELIEVE WHAT NON EXPERT MEDIA SAY?

Teens (the ones im trying to save from ruining their lives):

I AGREE< TEENS SHOULD NOT BE TAKING AAS

Have short height due to arrested bone growth
Girls may suffer long-term masculinization

You can be very athletic, mass leaned muscle body and good looking EASILY without ever using steroids. I think if you use steroids, not only are you stupid, but you're desperate and lazy.

GENETICS AND PLATEAUS YOUNG MAN, NOT AS EASY FOR SOME AS IT IS OTHERS.

For all you supportes of anabolic steroids out there, if you're OK with having a HIGH chance <not absolute> of getting some, if not all, of these side effects, then go right ahead and use them. Perhaps you just don't value the integrity, and fullness of life that rational people do.

ACCORDING TO RESEARCH< A HIGH CHANCE OF SOME SIDES, BUT NONE THAT ARE LIFE THREATENING OR NOT REVERSABLE WHEN YOU CYCLE OFF, THE LIFE THREATENING ONES RARE.....

DID YOU KNOW IF YOU TAKE OVER 4G of ACETAMINOPHEN A DAY, YOU COULD DEVELOP LIVER FAILURE.....BUT ITS OTC AND EVERYONE TAKES IT/./

AGAIN, THE BAD SIDES ARENT COMMON, SO THEY HAVE SIDES YES, BUT THEY ARENT AS DANGEROUS AS THEY ARE MADE OUT TO BE, OR AS YOU SAY THEY ARE........


IF YOU DONT WANT TO TAKE THEM, DONT< BUT THOSE OF US IN THE KNOW WILL CONTINUE TO GET BIGGER AND FEEL BETTER SAFELY
 
I can appreciate that you know little to nothing about anobolic steroids and their effects on the human body but trouting out a page of media dogma isn't going to change that and magically educate either you or us. Pretty much everyone here who has used anabolic steroids reads that list of side effects and knows it to be mostly nonsense. Do some real research and try again.

Sides? Of course there are sides as you'd expect from manipulating your body's hormones. Even eating a meal has side effects but they are transient and medically irrelevant. The same applies to a cycle of steroids when used responsibily by a physically mature male.

If you want to go and save some teens then try a teen site. We generally discourage their participation here.

Please stop mentioning corticosteroids. They are a very different class of hormones and have no relevance here.
 
Bigrand, I believe that the study you reference ran for 20 weeks without adverse responses, assuming it's the NEJM one.
 
Ok. I'm finished, do what ya will, its an endless argument. im finished trying to convince anyone here. atleast you guys seem to be taking extreme precautions while using them and you all seem to be pretty intelligent people. If you're going to promote their use then at the least, Im glad to see you promote extreme safe use. I still disagree with somethings, but Im in the wrong place to be making these arguments so I will stop.
 
Seriously, I dont listen to studies anymore. ALMOST anything is reasonably safe if done properly and in moderation. Hell they approve medicinces that have a longer list of negative side effects just to cure a headache or cold, than taking some illegal drugs.

Hell the list of these medications are from anything from a cold to how to have a shorter period if you are a girl and they have sides like dizziness, shortness of breath, cramps, nausea, trouble sleeping, vomiting, fainting, numbness, infirtility and possible death etc...

If you do your research and learn how to use certain things and are as safe as possible with them its normally semi-safe. Most cases of death is user error with any substance.

-Legacy
 
Elementality said:
Ok. I'm finished, do what ya will, its an endless argument. im finished trying to convince anyone here. atleast you guys seem to be taking extreme precautions while using them and you all seem to be pretty intelligent people. If you're going to promote their use then at the least, Im glad to see you promote extreme safe use. I still disagree with somethings, but Im in the wrong place to be making these arguments so I will stop.

I think the responses to this thread would have been a lot more positive if you had posted it in the steroid section of the board instead of the supplements section.
 
OK guys, I can't believe you all are continuing to argue with this idiot.

If you feed a troll, he'll hang around forever. Simply ignore him and let him live his life in ignorance. Some people cannot be educated, no matter how much effort you put into it.

Old Spanish proverb: "A wise man changes his mind, a fool never."

Personally I like a proverb I picked up in Somalia. An old African proverb translated: "Only a fool tests the depth of the water with both feet."
 
After reading all this information, I was on the fence about trying steroids. If one thing this jerk off brought out was all the good information everyone else had and the different areas to find more information to learn more about steroids. I would be for trying steroids; if I could get my hands on them.
 
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