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Which one is better for fat-loss ? Comparing for example 40mg Adderall vs 20/200 ECA ? From what I've read amphetamines are better because they are beta-3 agonists, unlike ephedrine which is beta-2 agonist. Is that so?
Amphetamine (Adderall/Dexedrine) VS ECA Stack ?
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eliteforce
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I thought Amphetamine was speed..
I would do the other thing instead of taking speed
I would do the other thing instead of taking speed
DaBeast_on_GHB
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Amphetamine's slang is speed. But it doesnt't change a thing that it WAS used for obesity/fat-loss (med called Obetrol) with very good results.
ECA gives me high anxiety, especially caffeine.
ECA gives me high anxiety, especially caffeine.
eliteforce
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i see, maybe try a fat burner like clenbuterol, mixing speed with steroids might make you too aggresive..
alexmichael
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40 mg of adderall will completely wipe out your appetite. You will probably be too jacked up to work out on it though. I love amphetamines but if you want to work out and lose weight stick with ECA.DaBeast_on_GHB said:
ViperHMS
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alexmichael said:
That is how I feel. I take Adderall because of ADHD and one thing I hate about taking it is how I have such a problem trying to get hungry and eat. I'll eat when I feel like I really need it, but if I was trying at all to bulk I would just have to go with out my meds. I also usually work out prior to taking my meds too cause I just don't feel quite right when I do workout after they are in my system.
glennds
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alexmichael said:
really? prescription ampthamine you mean? or methampetamine?
i didn't think ampethamines were prescribed anymore for weight loss. didn't they stop prescribing these back in the 50s or 60s? golden delicious could probably answer this. aren't they somtimes prescribed for some mental disorders? the side effects of amphetamines were deemed too harsh for weight loss purposes.
ViperHMS
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glennds said:
Adderall contains four different amphetamines: Dextroamphetamine Saccharate, Amphetamine Aspartate Monohydrate, Dextroamphetamine Sulfate USP, and Amphetamine Sulfate USP.
Ritalin contains just one which is Methylphendiate
Amphetamines dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine), methamphetamine (Desoxyn), and phenmetrazine (Pleudin) are powerful stimulants. They were used most often in the past but are no longer prescribed for weight loss. These drugs elevate mood and produce some modest weight loss over the short term, but present serious risks of addiction, agitation, and insomnia.
BigGunsInc.
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Adderal is now prescriped for hyperactive kids diagnosed with ADD(attention deficite disorder) or ADHD (attention deficite hyperactive disorder). It is a stimulant with the generic name Amphetamine. I was prescribed this drug for yrs and have taken it along with AAS. The thing that i found is that it is highly addictive, and when coming off cycle it added to extreme depression and often times abuse. I dont take the drug at all anymore because i have found that the negatives by far outweigh the positives. It may seem the thing to do now but in the long run and in retrospect, i feel it was a mistake. Also need to be careful useing a stimulant as powerful as amphetamines while cycleing.. Remember you need to take care of your heart muscle!
BGI
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If you're gonna go the speed route, why not just get some sudafed, lithium batteries and liquid heat, cook it up and make some meth. Stay up for weeks at a time, don't eat and have conversations with people who aren't there. Then when the cops find you naked in the stockroom of a Burger King claiming that you are the son of God, you'll be lean, cut and wacked out like a mother fucker.
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satchboogie
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why the fuck would you wanna supress appetite??
part of leaning down is about eating right.
restricting calories/carbs too much is NO GOOD!!!
part of leaning down is about eating right.
restricting calories/carbs too much is NO GOOD!!!
gymratforlife
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amensatchboogie said:
Redshoteye
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glennds said:
Aderrall is better known as the "cheat pill" because students have used them for its number one function: focus and clarity. A symptom of this drug is appetite suppression, which I guess draws in the BB world. There are better alternatives IMO and we dont need rec drugs, amphetamines are a great killer of gains....
glennds said:
Adderall - a blend of aphetamines. For those of you who might be able to relate,
Amphetamines (Systemic)
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BRAND NAMES:
In the U.S.
Adderall
Desoxyn
Desoxyn Gradumet
Dexedrine
Dexedrine Spansule
DextroStat
BRAND NAMES:
In Canada
Dexedrine
Dexedrine Spansule
Description
Amphetamines (am-FET-a-meens ) belong to the group of medicines called central nervous system (CNS) stimulants. They are used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). Amphetamines increase attention and decrease restlessness in patients who are overactive, unable to concentrate for very long or are easily distracted, and have unstable emotions. These medicines are used as part of a total treatment program that also includes social, educational, and psychological treatment.
Amphetamine and dextroamphetamine are also used in the treatment of narcolepsy (uncontrollable desire for sleep or sudden attacks of deep sleep).
Amphetamines should not be used for weight loss or weight control or to combat unusual tiredness or weakness or replace rest. When used for these purposes, they may be dangerous to your health.
Amphetamines may also be used for other conditions as determined by your doctor.
These medicines are available only with a doctor's prescription. Prescriptions cannot be refilled. A new prescription must be obtained from your doctor each time you or your child needs this medicine.
Amphetamines are available in the following dosage forms:
Oral
Amphetamine
Tablets (U.S.)
Amphetamine and dextroamphetamine
Tablets (U.S.)
Dextroamphetamine
Extended-release capsules (U.S. and Canada)
Tablets (U.S. and Canada)
Methamphetamine
Tablets (U.S.)
Extended-release tablets (U.S.)
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for studying like I have had to do, nothing beats Adderrall. I've tried Addys, Ritalin, and Conserta.Cata1yst said:
krishna
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Why don't you just sniff a bunch of meth if you're gonna do speed? You're gonna put mega stress on your heart, especially while on gear. By the way, that alertness and clarity doesn't mean shit when you're coming down. Stay up for a day or two on that shit and watch your mood, intelligence, focus, and sanity go down the shitter!
krishna said:
1. who would sniff meth?
2. cite some studies
3. Would anyone take this and not know about coming down off of it?
4. your post shows you are uneducated on the subject.
5. Anyone can stay up for 2 days on that stuff, without even being phased. On adderrall; you are more focused, more talkative, in a better mood, and able to process multiple thoughts quicker and more effectively than when you're not on adderrall.
I agree there is a crash. A side effect of supplementing your lifestyle with Adderrall is sleep apnea when you do finally sleep. Increased arousals from sleep, as well as majorly altered sleep architecture are also effects. This leads to less Delta sleep and subsequent higher cortisol levels, with decreased GH release. Normal sleep does not resume for a couple days as the body rebounds both Delta and REM sleep.
Yes, there is a crash.
DIVISION said:
That has also been my experience. I have never had a script. I'm through with those days (until I get into medical school)
krishna
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juicedmohawk said:
I've had plenty of personal experience with speed when I was younger. Now that I'm older and in college learning about the effects of certain chemicals on brain functioning, I cringe at what I was doing to myself back then. And how does my post show that I am uneducated when at the end of your post you agreed with me? Oh and by the way, meth is a form of amphetamine called METHAMPHETAMINE. I was saying that if you're gonna do speed, might as well hit the big stuff (sarcastically). You mean to tell me you've never heard of sniffing meth? And you're saying I'm the one who's uneducated? Ever heard of crank bro? It's a street (dirty) form of methamphetamine produced in UG labs for recreational drug use. This drug caters to some of the most wacked out freaks on the planet!
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my boy takes adderall almost every day. studies his ass off, walks on treadmill and hits heavybag between sessions. then at night he goes to gym, usually around midnight. he's ripped to shit. eats lite all week, has bread w/ dinner most nights though, hardcore ginzos, and on sat and sun he'll have a cheat meal. not hard to follow. he credits adderall for his fat loss. i credit that and his coke use too. now that i think about it he's a fuckin tickin time bomb, weed, coke, adderall, levitra and viagra, and juice.
adderall is no joke though. there are way better fat burners than that fucked up shit. no doubt. i don't recommend it and my wife heard stories from mothers who's kids were on it and it really fucked w/ their heads. i seen a special on it on MTV too. i don't recommend it. i'd rather do clen, ECA, T3 or GH.
adderall is no joke though. there are way better fat burners than that fucked up shit. no doubt. i don't recommend it and my wife heard stories from mothers who's kids were on it and it really fucked w/ their heads. i seen a special on it on MTV too. i don't recommend it. i'd rather do clen, ECA, T3 or GH.
actually, I've honestly never heard of sniffing meth. I thought Crank was injected (I never really knew) and around here meth is "Ice" I have no experience with the recreational versions of these compounds. I understand the pharmacokinetics of amphetamines. Isomer is the term you're looking for when you describe the different amphetamines. I know what meth is. I have a minor in chemistry. Just remember that when you're discussing the side effects of different amphetamines, that you need to distinguish between primary and secondary amphetamines; as they metabolize in different areas (primarily)krishna said:
I disagreed/called you uneducated when you talked about how your clarity/alertness/everything else goes to crap when you're on the stuff and stay up for a couple days. I think it's quite the opposite. The crash can be somewhat manageable when you work your sleep around your schedule when you use Addy's. It also seemed like you were using an overexaggerated designed to scare you way of saying ''stay away''. If I misinterpreted, I apologize.
I routinely did this for my last year of undergrad, and I was working nights in sleep and neurodiagnostics the whole time. I also managed to pass the sleep board exams in the process.
chyllaxyn
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krishna said:
Yeah , namely Hitler.
Been there did that, every possible way you can when I was in college. Meth is whack.
Even amphetamines are bad for the body, it tears down muscle tissue and that should be a full stop right there.
It starves the body and over time increases cravings for instant energy aka SUGAR & Carbs.
Long term use enlarges and over works the heart and jacks with your thyroid function.
Satch is right, it's about diet.
It's not about eating pie and taking a pill.
One other note, some of the new alzheimer treatments are amphetamine based and can be easily converted to meth. Oh yea, that's what we need, granny cruising around town in her crown vic hopped up on speed, wheeeeee.
Güclü_oglan
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i have 2 relatives who fucked up their lives because of speed. It all began with the purpose of losing weight
bro do DNP instead, it's alot safer. You should not play around with speed no matter what!
bro do DNP instead, it's alot safer. You should not play around with speed no matter what!
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satchboogie
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DIVISION said:DNP safer than Adderall?
I think you are mistaken.
DIV
i'm gonna have to agree that DNP is safer than adderall if used properly.
chyllaxyn
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DIVISION said:
You know the score DIV, no preaching here.
Beside people who live in glass houses like me shouldn't throw stones....I used Phentermine last year but I did so for 2 months knowing the potential sides and yeah I cut 10lbs.
The other side of that coin is that I told my sister-in-law about my on-line source and she has been taking the shit for nearly a year, has gained back any wieght she lost, so now she's a fat ass hooked on speed.
Güclü_oglan
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hey bro i once had that attitude to amphetamines as well until i saw what it did to people in a very small timeframe. DNP won't do much more then nightsweats often but speed can really mess your life up. Addiction comes very easily, and once you're trapped there's no return. Of course it offers a quick and simple weight-loss but it leaves scars in your health for everDIVISION said:DNP safer than Adderall?
I think you are mistaken.
DIV
I think people should have a more critical view against amphetamines, just because it offers a good weight-loss doesn't mean that it's only going to effect you physically. I've seen it hapend many times before and i will see it hapend more often in the future
eat right and let it take some time instead of always taking the shortcuts, using a shortcut like amphetamine will very likely lead you to things you didn't want in the first place
juice is good, speed is shit! i hope people will think twice before using amphetamines
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*MissFit*
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i think adderol killed some ppl in Cdn so it's no longer avail here
We can only get Ridalin and concerta
The fast acting and slow release version of ridalin
There is also a newer drug -Starts with an S but doesn't sound as powerful
Ridalin comes in various dosages though
Higher the dose, the more u feel it
We can only get Ridalin and concerta
The fast acting and slow release version of ridalin
There is also a newer drug -Starts with an S but doesn't sound as powerful
Ridalin comes in various dosages though
Higher the dose, the more u feel it
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satchboogie
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you can buy adderall OTC in turkey.. its too cheap. but nobody uses it.
krishna
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juicedmohawk said:
What I was referring to when talking about clarity and alertness going down the drain was the crash that we both agreed on. Typically with meth, beginners will generally stay alert for a day or two before they crash. Over time and prolonged use, this window generally gets smaller for most people, and they start crashing sooner than before. Accumulated sleep deprivation, malnourishment, and burnt out dopamine receptors contribute to this confusion. Hallucinations are also common at this time. You can't tell me that hallucinating is clarity. One thing you are right on though is that I did generalize all amphetamines to meth. I did this because in my drug counseling and substance abuse education, I was taught that all amphetamines had similar effects on the CNS and brain. In abuse cases with any type of amphetamine, the health issues and symptoms are generally the same.
LOL I guess we were agreeing after allkrishna said:
Rock on dudestraterra is what you're referring to I believeCanadianCutie said:
I live in Florida and I have been on adderall 10mg for ADD and my now 13 yr old daughter has been on 20 mg twice daily for 6 months. She lost 25lbs, she and I are both more focused, alert and able to concentrate on our homework/other work. It is only $10 a month for each script. Works for us and we don't use it on weekends, no school. Just a thought!krishna said:
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*MissFit*
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Exactly 
(people dont realize this)
(people dont realize this)
krishna said:
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What about PHENTERMINE???? This is some very powerful stuff and quite beneficial too!!!
almost as much as people dont realize how beneficial the increase in dopaminergic transmission in your prefrontal and frontal cortex is when adderrall is used for other reasons also.CanadianCutie said:Exactly
adipex rules!WILL B HUGE said:
and also for narcoleptic as well as narcoleptic + cataplectic patients.krishna said:
deltreefitness
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krishna said:
Well I don't know about all doctors but I don't think addiction is main reason for not prescribing. It has been the fad lately to push these new "non-stimulant" ADD drugs like Strattera (which is probably the drug CandianCute was refering to begining with the letter S). I think the biggest problem with amphetamines, is the rapid tolerance build up. They eventually poop-out once your receptors get burned out.
The brand name pharmacuetical for Methamphetamine is Desoxyn in the US. It is still in production and legal with a prescription.
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deltreefitness
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krishna said:
You're right. I've noticed many doctors tend to first prescribe drugs that reps are selling and are "hot" on the market (ever wonder where they get all those Viagra and Zoloft pens?). Doctors are humans so are capable of ignorance and laziness like the rest of us. But I don't want to get too into that right now lol.
But yes, I have heard of Desoxyn being prescribed. My doctor has prescribed it before for narcolepsy patient(s). I don't think he does much lately as there are some newer, more fitting substances for treatment. He's pretty cool and one of the better informed doctors I've seen. He's been the only doctor knowledgeable enough to cut through the BS and prescribe me Xyrem (GHB) which has been a great help. Which is pretty cool because now he has had great success using it with other patients.
caseygabriel
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All you ever wanted to know about adderall or any other drug:glennds said:
hXXp://www.erowid.org/general/
Hope this helps.
deltreefitness said:
hey what is he giving people for narcolepsy/cataplexy? (I think you meant that instead of just narcolepsy)
I know provigil works by another mechanism (hypocretin/orexin cortical activation) and that it is also prescribed, but I see mostly patients who have scripts for both.
deltreefitness
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juicedmohawk said:
Yes I meant both. Like you've noticed often Provigial is prescribed and I've heard him talk about the prov/deso combo. He has lately been prescribing Xyrem for narcolepsy (it's first indication) and it he says it's done wonders. Although I do not have either narcolepsy or cataplexy. I only know these details through conversation with the doctor. I introduced him to Xyrem and enjoy discussing about different uses and treatments.
yeah, erowid is an awesome site.DIVISION said:
caseygabriel
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Any time DIV. Stay strong my friend!DIVISION said:
Casey
My hosband has ADD and he tried COncerta...OMG it led him down a path straight to feelings of futility and even worse depression (he also has depression).
He went off that, than a month later his doc started him with Dexadrine.
He says it not only makes him feel more alert, but also more calm. The way he describes it, it's like how some people describe the effects of meditation: more calmness, mental clarity, stability, and energy. Ability to do work more instead of fuck around on the internet while he's at his desk.
Having some sleep problems though. He doesnt' want to get to the point where he needs Klonipin every night to sleep, so we'll mess with the dosages (his doctor was very generous: 2 15 mg spansules in the AM and up to 3 5mg "bumps" throughout the day.
He went off that, than a month later his doc started him with Dexadrine.
He says it not only makes him feel more alert, but also more calm. The way he describes it, it's like how some people describe the effects of meditation: more calmness, mental clarity, stability, and energy. Ability to do work more instead of fuck around on the internet while he's at his desk.
Having some sleep problems though. He doesnt' want to get to the point where he needs Klonipin every night to sleep, so we'll mess with the dosages (his doctor was very generous: 2 15 mg spansules in the AM and up to 3 5mg "bumps" throughout the day.
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deltreefitness said:
I cant imagine any doc writing scripts for Desoxyn and Xyrem and not getting some major heat from the DEA; that would be prescribing methamphetamine and GHB. Hell you could probably get him to give you a script for some medicinal marijuana to counteract the appetite supression of the meth.
I'd love to walk into CVS with scripts for meth, G, and weed and giving them to the pharmacist with a huge smile across my face! LOL
Oh yeah, and I'd tell my doc I needed a script for 80mg OCs to sell and pay for my other "medications" since my insurance wont cover them! LOL
ripped_k1d
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Adderall is a miracle drug for people who don't need it 
Makes me think all food is gross when I'm on it.
Makes me think all food is gross when I'm on it.
Potent
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it's really simple, keep the aderrall dosage low and only take it on day's when you know you need it to focus (work, school) You don't need speed in your system every day of the damn week. That can only lead to tolerance, abuse, and addiction. When you start to notice a come down, eat a big meal and drink lots of water, you will notice a massive difference and you'll be able to fall asleep. Stay away from anything with high amounts of caffeine and sugar, don't turn your heart into a punching bag. Addy is vascular constrictive, so you may notice some Ed while on it, but that will subside in a day or two. An be cautious with addy, IT ISSS bad for the heart. take it for long enough and you will see for your self.
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