Gunz, I gotcha brother. Your point is gonna be valid no matter what you or anyone else on this board looks like. I have thought the same thing, I have just never said it. Very rarely do I look at a picture of someone and think, "damn they look like they have put a lot into their physique." I think it's a fucking embarassment to be honest. The worst part is that most people don't know they are a joke. I don't claim to be some freak or the baddest guy on this board, but I have already stepped on stage and I put a lot of passion into what I do. Nobody wants to work hard and lay a foundation, that's why you have guys juicing who have a bullshit physique. I'm not picking on anyone, but it's the truth and every experienced bro on this board knows it. So go ahead everybody, keep hating because someone puts the harsh truth out there. I know we aren't the only ones on this board who think this way. We are all working with different genetics, years of training, etc. That said, juice won't turn a garbage body into a good one. Keep hating!!!!!!!!!!!