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I know this is a stupid question, but...

what is AM dbol treatment? I'm guessing its a low dose of Dbol in the morning, but what are the positives from this??
 
It actually makes your PCT recovery take longer but the crash is not as bad. I did it a few times but didn't really notice the difference.
 
it's dicey at best, it will let you recover to about 80% of normal, but, it does make you feel good...

I've done some pct's that make you feel like crap, can't train, strength goes out the window, motivation.. with the 10mg dbol, all of that does not happen..

however i do feel it took me too long to recover, and i'm not sure if i recovered completely before i ran my next cycle..

So, nope, wouldn't recommend it.. it's usually done by guys that are doing quick cycles, heck if you aren't going to recover your natural production of test, you might as well stay on... (i don't recommend that either)
 
Worked great for me. Not sure about the extending recovery statement above. Im 10 weeks into PCT and not even close to feeling crashed. First 6 weeks was 10 mg Dbol every morning. Still on Aromasin 20 mg ed.
 
solidspine said:
If 10mg works, wouldn't 25 be better?
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Too much. 25 mg would definitely supress your HPTA. The idea is not to supress the HPTA, but reather trick your body into thinking that it has released natural testosterone. Thats why only 10 mg first thing in the morning.
 
Im not sure why Bill would pick the most estrogenic AAS available for this AM protocol.

Its makes a lot more sense to use a less estrogenic drug…such as anavar or oral primo… Anything that is less estrogenic than dbol with a ~5hr half-life would be a better choice for this sort of pseudo-PCT.

-Pp
 
a bomb said:
Worked great for me. Not sure about the extending recovery statement above. Im 10 weeks into PCT and not even close to feeling crashed. First 6 weeks was 10 mg Dbol every morning. Still on Aromasin 20 mg ed.
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10 weeks and counting is a pretty long time for PCT, isn't it? What was your cycle like if ya don't mind me asking?
 
Ulter said:
10mg is close to the 7mg of pure test your testes make on their own. So to your HPTA it's not very disruptive.
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so im a bit confused now, is your body still producing that appox 7mg test (so in addition with dbol total about 17mg) becuase if the testes arent makin that 7mg doesnt seem like much recovery is taken place.
 
njmuscleguy said:
10 weeks and counting is a pretty long time for PCT, isn't it? What was your cycle like if ya don't mind me asking?
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Stayed on all last year. Finshed the year with a 20 weeker - 1g of test, 600 eq, winny, dbol, etc....I really wanted to give my body a break. Im not sure I believe in receptor cleaning, but I needed a break. I have not been to the gym in 3 weeks. I have a lot going on - I should not have taken this long off though I feel great. Only down 5 pounds too.
 
Cutt29 said:
so im a bit confused now, is your body still producing that appox 7mg test (so in addition with dbol total about 17mg) becuase if the testes arent makin that 7mg doesnt seem like much recovery is taken place.
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Nah, your probably only producing about 40-50% of what you normaly would be producing (5-10mg/day). Once that dbol hits, its gonna be blunting the LH/FSH realease for atleast half the day.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Nah, your probably only producing about 40-50% of what you normaly would be producing (5-10mg/day). Once that dbol hits, its gonna be blunting the LH/FSH realease for atleast half the day.

-Pp
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what are you basing this on?
 
Ulter said:
Anavar is biphasic and I believe he didn't "pick" it. Dbol was used in a study that he cited in his paper. Another reason is the depression that usually accompanies the crash. Dbol has a profound affect on dopamine.
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Ulter,

In what context do you mean "biphasic"?

-Pp
 
sabbracadabra74 said:
Is the 10 mg Dianabol in the morning supposed to be used during PCT only, or can it be used any time?
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I have the same question. Is it better suited for PCT or for stack? Also, is the dbol good on the joints?
 
kidd73 said:
I have the same question. Is it better suited for PCT or for stack? Also, is the dbol good on the joints?
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are u guys seriously talkin about making cycles with 10mg dbol??
 
Primordial Performance said:
Every study Ive ever read concerning the hypothalamus & pituitary's response to exogenous hormones and the reduction in gonadotropins.

-Pp
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but if the body does not view the hormone as exogenous then the studies you have read do not really apply to this situation
 
Cutt29 said:
are u guys seriously talkin about making cycles with 10mg dbol??
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I wasn't going to use 10 mg D-bol in a cycle, but I was wondering if you could use it any time as a general mood enhancer? Can it be used any time for this purpose?
 
Cutt29 said:
but if the body does not view the hormone as exogenous then the studies you have read do not really apply to this situation
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Dbol would be supplementing the body with exogenous hormone. Do you know the definition of exogenous?

10mg is enough to suppress the HTPA in several ways, primarily through acting directly on the pituitary ER and both AR/ER in the hypothalamus to suppress gonadotropin release.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Dbol would be supplementing the body with exogenous hormone. Do you know the definition of exogenous?

10mg is enough to suppress the HTPA in several ways, primarily through acting directly on the pituitary ER and both AR/ER in the hypothalamus to suppress gonadotropin release.

-Pp
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yes, thanks mr. pp i know the def of EXOgenous, they way it was explained to me was the body does not view it as exogenous hormone since your natural test levels peak in the morning
 
Cutt29 said:
yes, thanks mr. pp i know the def of EXOgenous, they way it was explained to me was the body does not view it as exogenous hormone since your natural test levels peak in the morning
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If somebody has evidence of this Id like to see it.

-Pp
 
Pp - so do you have the same opinion about using proviron during PCT?
 
Ulter said:
Look up Bill Robert's article on it. He cites a study that shows that your body will behave as though the AM dbol is your morning spike. Or you can try to just find it at pubmed.
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Ulter,

I read the thread on your site and I agree with most of it. Still Im unaware of any AM dbol study. I only know of Bill Roberts making this suggestion several years back, not citing research…. However feel free to prove otherwise.

Njmuscle,

Proviron is much different than the Dbol... but still not a good choice for PCT for a couple reasons. More on this later...

-Pp
 
I say fuck the am dbol thing. Theres no real research behind it. And the person behind this whole shit idea is Fonz for christ sakes. Remember Fonz? Former mod here who posted fake pics, scammed and was all and all a complete fucking tool.

If people feel the need to stay on, just use a low dose of test or some hgh.
 
I remember Fonz, but are you sure that he is the orginator of this theory? It has been around alot longer than that. I know that he pushed the idea alot.

You won't find any case studies because there is no clinical reason to do a study. This is one of those things that looks retarded on paper, but works quite well. It's not for everybody and honestly most of the bro's here don't need it.
 
abomb said:
I remember Fonz, but are you sure that he is the orginator of this theory? It has been around alot longer than that. I know that he pushed the idea alot.

You won't find any case studies because there is no clinical reason to do a study. This is one of those things that looks retarded on paper, but works quite well. It's not for everybody and honestly most of the bro's here don't need it.
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Here is a little something for your perusal on the AM dbol theory. A 15mg/day dose caused a 50% reduction in LH & FSH and a 69% decrease in testosterone levels.

Effect of an anabolic steroid (metandienon) on plasma LH-FSH, and testosterone and on the response to intravenous administration of LRH.
P Holma and H Adlercreutz
Acta Endocrinol (Copenh), Dec 1976; 83(4): 856-64.

-Pp
 
Primordial Performance said:
Here is a little something for your perusal on the AM dbol theory. A 15mg/day dose caused a 50% reduction in LH & FSH and a 69% decrease in testosterone levels.

Effect of an anabolic steroid (metandienon) on plasma LH-FSH, and testosterone and on the response to intravenous administration of LRH.
P Holma and H Adlercreutz
Acta Endocrinol (Copenh), Dec 1976; 83(4): 856-64.

-Pp
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In a nutshell. Dbol is gonna FUCK with your recovery. Especially someone who has been "on" for a prolonged period of time.

The key with the dbol bridge that is being forgotten is that you need to run an AI with it such as arimidex, to keep the estrogen suppression down from dbol.


Now for me, arimidex and dbol is a cycle. You might as well just run 200mgs cyp e10days for health and well being, because you still gonna be shut down.
 
galaxy said:
In a nutshell. Dbol is gonna FUCK with your recovery. Especially someone who has been "on" for a prolonged period of time.

The key with the dbol bridge that is being forgotten is that you need to run an AI with it such as arimidex, to keep the estrogen suppression down from dbol.


Now for me, arimidex and dbol is a cycle. You might as well just run 200mgs cyp e10days for health and well being, because you still gonna be shut down.
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:)
 
galaxy said:
In a nutshell. Dbol is gonna FUCK with your recovery. Especially someone who has been "on" for a prolonged period of time.

The key with the dbol bridge that is being forgotten is that you need to run an AI with it such as arimidex, to keep the estrogen suppression down from dbol.


Now for me, arimidex and dbol is a cycle. You might as well just run 200mgs cyp e10days for health and well being, because you still gonna be shut down.
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It seems to me like the AM Dbol regimine is for those who either cannot ever or don't have the patience for a true recovery. That is all well and good, but we ALL know it is not for regaining natural functioning.
 
medical said:
It seems to me like the AM Dbol regimine is for those who either cannot ever or don't have the patience for a true recovery. That is all well and good, but we ALL know it is not for regaining natural functioning.
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but but ulter says it is :worried:
 
abomb said:
I remember Fonz, but are you sure that he is the orginator of this theory? It has been around alot longer than that. I know that he pushed the idea alot.

You won't find any case studies because there is no clinical reason to do a study. This is one of those things that looks retarded on paper, but works quite well. It's not for everybody and honestly most of the bro's here don't need it.
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Im sure it was just a copy and paste job.
 
galaxy said:
well its boring as hell and lacks personality.

and your really messing with the left side of my brain by being upside down.
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lol I thought it was a nice tuch.just showing of my super powers.lol
 
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