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Nothing beats real obviously. But is there anything that comes relatively close. I've had very little results with alternatives up to this point and I'm not so sure it's not just the placebo effect.
Alternatives vs Real
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A clue to what you're talking about would be nice.
needtogetaas
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What are your goals bro? What dose your diet look like? how long have you been lifting?
what are your stats? How old are you?
what are your stats? How old are you?
if you are talking about prohormones--some work but many are horrible on your liver so long term use, imo, is a bad idea.
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ALIN
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sherkaun15010 said:
DIET, NUTRITION
hyp1
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prohormones seriously fucking suck bro,and a lot of them have worse side effects than actual gear.my advice is to stay the fuck away from that worthless shit,it's more dangerous than it's productive.
on the other hand some people can experience decent gains using creatine,I use it constantly on cycle and off.I also use whey protein and L-glutamine,and amplify 02.........and take a multivitamin daily.
on the other hand some people can experience decent gains using creatine,I use it constantly on cycle and off.I also use whey protein and L-glutamine,and amplify 02.........and take a multivitamin daily.
sherkaun15010
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Goals are to look better with age, even if the lid has to thin. I can at least look good. I've been lifting forever it seems. I try not to leave my wife behind has she gets heavier. Don't want her putting a PI on me. I'm 5'7, 173lbs. I'm running on a regular basis, a mile a day. I'm hoping to increase that to 2 next week. I'm reducing the diet to 1500 cals a day. I'm 41yo.
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safety4lyfe
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I use NO - Explode product
*True Mass - Weight Gainer (essential throughout the day)
*NO Explode - Creatine (pre-workout)
*Cell Mass - Glutamine/Creatine (pose-workout)
*Animal Pack for my daily multi-vits
*Some L-Glutamine for bedtime and days off
What ive noticed with me and my friends with the NO Explode product are fairly decent. My buddy (who is clean) went from 165lbs to 180lbs! All solid gains. Although, he is one of those freaks with good genetics...but i think its most important to find out what supps are right for you. Everyone has different goals.
*True Mass - Weight Gainer (essential throughout the day)
*NO Explode - Creatine (pre-workout)
*Cell Mass - Glutamine/Creatine (pose-workout)
*Animal Pack for my daily multi-vits
*Some L-Glutamine for bedtime and days off
What ive noticed with me and my friends with the NO Explode product are fairly decent. My buddy (who is clean) went from 165lbs to 180lbs! All solid gains. Although, he is one of those freaks with good genetics...but i think its most important to find out what supps are right for you. Everyone has different goals.
I think this is worse than gear! too hard on the liver, perhaps?
safety4lyfe
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bro its just creatine...obviously creatine can stress your liver if you dont intake enough water. seems to work fine for me 
my trainer got me hooked on that...and he knows his shit.
my trainer got me hooked on that...and he knows his shit.
dude those are just supps and stuff....none of which are hormone relatedThe_Alcatraz said:
~Alc
PS i'm THE real alcatraz
safety4lyfe
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really? what would you recommend?
safety4lyfe
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well those are the supps im taking along side my gear
702daswoll1
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This thread is so fucking lame and weak. FUCK! Hey safety look bro stop with the fucking vague/code talk so we can understand what the hell you are saying. The supps you are taking are fine. I think whey/creatine/glutamine are all good. Are you cycling at the moment or just trying to get info? Pro-Hormones fucking suck dick my man. They have steroid like side effects without the anabolic state. Get urself some testosterone cyp or en and do yourself up a nice beginner cycle.
iceman7
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levi8599 said:
I didn't say all. I said most.
heres why...
True Mass - Another "weight gainer". Why consume a weight gainer instead of a superior MRP or a Whey/casein blend instead?
Besides, if you want a good weight gainer, Eat Steak! Eat chicken. Eat fish. Eat Sweet potatoes. Eat brown rice. Eat almonds.... etc etc.
NO Explode - Seriously. Do I need to get into this ? Perhaps one of the worst products I've ever used.
Cell Mass - Glutamine and creatine... Glutamine did nothing for me and I fail to see why its so popular. Most people I know who consume glutamine don't even know why they are doing so. As for the creatine, there are much better Monohydrate and CEE products out there.
Animal Pack - Waste of money. Again. Many nicer multis out there.
Overall, all the BSN stuff mentioned is WEAK. This thread is about a dude asking for alternatives to roids. The answer to that should be good eating, proper training and rest. Not pages 1-10 of the BSN catalog.
bsdgeek
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not tryin to flame or pick ya apart bro, but..
bro, i agree- somewhat, while some whey/casiens are good, they're not all created equal, as with some mass/weight gainers. some mass gainers are compound gainers, meaning- instead of having to mix 4 different shakes, you'll mix just one. is this better, well, obviously not always. but is it convenient? hell yeah.
couldn't agree more. but, supplements are supposed to 'supplement' an already existing diet which should already consist of these.
bro, if it didn't work for you, or if you didn't like it, just say that. i've tried it, and for what it's supposed to be used for, it works. it definitely will jack your energy levels, will i be buying some, no. but i subscribe to a different regimen, he may like the product.
glutamine and glucosamine are for you joints, it helps fluidity and it works. some brands do not work, you have to find the ones that do. also, if you use MSM and chondriton with glucosamine/glutamine, it definitely helps. this is mostly used by people who are a little older, as he stated, he's 41. i use it, i'm 38, it helps kill some of my arthritis, as i'm sure it helps his. you have to be on it around 2 months to start really noticing results, as i have found.
i agree, but on occasion they're not bad. every day, yes there are better alternatives.
i agree 100%, there is, IMO, no real alternative to AA.S. Except being natty with a very healthy diet. Period.
jus my 2
iceman7 said:
bro, i agree- somewhat, while some whey/casiens are good, they're not all created equal, as with some mass/weight gainers. some mass gainers are compound gainers, meaning- instead of having to mix 4 different shakes, you'll mix just one. is this better, well, obviously not always. but is it convenient? hell yeah.
iceman7 said:
couldn't agree more. but, supplements are supposed to 'supplement' an already existing diet which should already consist of these.
iceman7 said:
bro, if it didn't work for you, or if you didn't like it, just say that. i've tried it, and for what it's supposed to be used for, it works. it definitely will jack your energy levels, will i be buying some, no. but i subscribe to a different regimen, he may like the product.
iceman7 said:
glutamine and glucosamine are for you joints, it helps fluidity and it works. some brands do not work, you have to find the ones that do. also, if you use MSM and chondriton with glucosamine/glutamine, it definitely helps. this is mostly used by people who are a little older, as he stated, he's 41. i use it, i'm 38, it helps kill some of my arthritis, as i'm sure it helps his. you have to be on it around 2 months to start really noticing results, as i have found.
iceman7 said:
i agree, but on occasion they're not bad. every day, yes there are better alternatives.
iceman7 said:
i agree 100%, there is, IMO, no real alternative to AA.S. Except being natty with a very healthy diet. Period.
jus my 2
Yeah, the questions here are too vaughr to get into specifics. All I'lll say is if you're lookig for the EFFECTS that come from steroids such as increased strength, size and vascularity, then the UNLEASHESH/BIG BLAST/VIGOR stack is as close as you'll come. No, it aint the same as tren and sustanon. But it's effective and safe.
ekbenzo said:
That's right! Think BIG.
Zuperman said:
What is meant by "alternative" to AAS? Prohormones tried to do what they do by the same pathway but with miserable results. But there's no way you can say that adding certain supplements wouldn't help.
For example...
Is there a "food" that's give you the pre workout energy of Lipoflame?
Can you eat enough food to get the nutritional equivilant and thyroid boost in ZIP?
Do you think that adding BIG BLAST to your diet will NOT result in more weight gained than the same diet without it? That's just not true.
What food helps restore HP.TA and lower estrogen like Dermacrine Sustain? What foods will cleanse the liver like POST CYCLE? What food increases erection rigidity like UNLEASHED?
Get with the times. That "all you need is food and lifting" is old man philosophy. I believe in taking advantage of all that's available. That's why I'm on HR T and that's why I use a ton of supps. And that's why I look better, younger and more muscular than most men 15 years my junior.
needtogetaas
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Eat thatNelson Montana said:
needtogetaas
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O god now we have to go and brake out all the studies about some of the otc sups that raise test.. Give me some time I will brake it all out. Starting with dhea.Zuperman said:
Zuperman said:
Okay, but what's the point? The things is; it isn't a matter of just steroids or just food. There are other options today. And even with steroids, certain supps make them that much more effective.
