Alright gentlemen, let's discuss a test E & prim.o cycle

[swole]

This will be my first prim.o run; I'm very excited. I want quality muscle on a maintenance diet. Goal is to make lean, gradual gains without bloat. I'm more concerned with continued muscle growth and development as opposed to overall strength gains.

Proposed:

WK 1-12 300mg testosterone enanthate EW
WK 1-12 600mg Prim.o EW
PCT derma sustain and hc.g

I was still making gains of 200mg Test Cy.p EW (this was my bridge) while keeping the water weight down which is why I'm confident the 300mg of test will serve it's purpose.

This is what I've been eating lately which will be the backbone to my cycle:

8 AM muscle milk RTD
9:30 AM scrambled eggs, 1 slice whole wheat toast with no calorie butter spray

12 PM lunch consists of one of the following:

2 cans of chunk white light tuna with 2 scoops of fat-free plain yogurt w/ diced apples, onions and a splash of balsamic vinegar

salmon steak with light italian dressing, broccoli, asparagus

grilled chicken breast with steamed veggies

i keep my lunch very lean

between 2-4 PM i snack on whole grains, beef jerky, nuts, or have another muscle milk RTD at my desk at work

4:30-5 PM one serving of whole wheat pasta with no calorie butter spray

6:30-7 workout

PWO - 50g malto/dextrose w/ 25g whey

dinner - usually same as lunch, either lean beef chili, fish, chicken...whatever i'm in the mood for

i have hc.g and dex on hand...as usual

i want to hear any suggestions from those who have run prim.o

i am thinking of injecting test once per week

and splitting the prim.o into two shots per week

oh and i run 5 minutes before every workout with one day of 20 min dedicated to cardio

comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated

 

[GUARDIAN]

i would go with test-p myself. primo is dosed at 100m/ml so unless u like shooting 6mls all at once, even 3mls is bad, i prefer to do an eod shot which lends itself more to prop. plus u wont need a kickstart and u will save on some bloat if u r prone to it with test. but then again u r only using 300mg ew of test so i am really just splitting hairs.

My $0.02. Primo is fucking awesome by the way!

 

[swole]

8and20 i've considered test p, but i can't do EOD injections

i have a 4 day worktrip in late feb and can get away with EW or 2xEW shots (i don't bring vials on planes)

and sometimes i'll have impromptu travel obligations, but it's usually for 2-3 days if that..so i plan accordingly

and i always lift and eat right while on the road, i've met up with ef peeps just to train

with that being said i'm going to stick with test E for it's long ester

 

[needtogetaas]

Drop the test up the primo to 800mg ew. Run dermacrine reg threw out. No bloat at all and just the results you are looking for.

 

[swole]

Drop the test up the Primobolan - methenolone - to 800mg ew. Run dermacrine reg threw out. No bloat at all and just the results you are looking for.

you bastard. i love dermacrine too.

i want test in there, from what i gathered they work very well together

but you would suggest running derma for 12 weeks straight?

what if i did derma for the last 4 weeks of my cycle then once i'm done with my last injection run sustain and hc.g?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why not take a 100mg shot of Primmo each day for 6 days? No need to do a whopping shot all at once. I don't see the need for prop but if you used it, yo could combine them.

A slight variation to needto's plan

One shot of Primmo a day = 700mgs

200mgs of T

Run Derma through out

Short course of Hc G the last week of cycle. You probably won't need any anti e (Primmo acts as an anti e) but depending on how you react to Hc G, keep some on hand.

Continue Derma and add UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE to smooth out the landing, help recovery and maintain gains.

Do this and you'll most likely have the most "permanent" gains from any cycle you've ever done.

 

[silverskyline]

Damn I'm so looking forward to stacking my cycle with Derm, everyone is talkin up a storm on it!

Good luck guys

 

[swole]

nelson, keep in mind i can't do a shot ED or EOD for that matter.

there is at least one week in feb i will be on a plane and away from home for 3 days

i don't feel like stashing amps or vials or needles in my luggage

so 2xEW is my only option

is prim.o that much of a pain to shoot? i would imagine heating it up and splitting it between a few body parts can't be so bad

or is it the half-life that I should be more concerned about...it's depot so i would assume twice weekly would be enough to maintain steady levels

 

[Nelson Montana]

nelson, keep in mind i can't do a shot ED or EOD for that matter.

there is at least one week in feb i will be on a plane and away from home for 3 days

i don't feel like stashing amps or vials or needles in my luggage

so 2xEW is my only option

is prim.o that much of a pain to shoot? i would imagine heating it up and splitting it between a few body parts can't be so bad

or is it the half-life that I should be more concerned about...it's depot so i would assume twice weekly would be enough to maintain steady levels

300 mg shot of Primmo is gonna hurt bro. Whatever it takes. If circumstances dictate it, do what you have to do. Or wait until you can do it differently. The one drawback to Primoo is it's a painful shot. And it's thick.
So to triple that in one serving is going to be uncomfortable, that's all.

 

[swole]

300 mg shot of Primmo is gonna hurt bro. Whatever it takes. If circumstances dictate it, do what you have to do. Or wait until you can do it differently. The one drawback to Primoo is it's a painful shot. And it's thick.
So to triple that in one serving is going to be uncomfortable, that's all.

i can stick 3 body parts, that's not a problem

in terms of keeping stable levels, is twice weekly sufficient?

 

[jumpmaster82]

primo is the shit bro, your gona love it

 

[halfcenturian]

How about a Primo I.V. drip. !
Run the line up your sleeve to a 10 ml squeeze pump container that you put in your pocket. It's all plastic, so no bells and buzzers at the airport.
...ok forget it.

 

[needtogetaas]

Why not take a 100mg shot of Primmo each day for 6 days? No need to do a whopping shot all at once. I don't see the need for testosterone propionate but if you used it, yo could combine them.

A slight variation to needto's plan

One shot of Primmo a day = 700mgs

200mgs of T

Run Derma through out

Short course of Hc G the last week of cycle. You probably won't need any anti e (Primmo acts as an anti e) but depending on how you react to Hc G, keep some on hand.

Continue Derma and add UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE to smooth out the landing, help recovery and maintain gains.

Do this and you'll most likely have the most "permanent" gains from any cycle you've ever done.

Sounds Like a good solid plan right there.

 

[swole]

i want someone to explain to me why i should run derma for 12 weeks as opposed to the last 4 weeks of my cycle

and i want you guys to keep in mind i can't pin ED, yes i know ideally prim.o should be an ED shot

but it's not feasible, nor do i think i'm sacrificing anything if i go twice weekly

 

[Guvna]

Don't drop the test. 100mgs/wk at least.


I'm sure a few will disagree, but I also see no reason to run Dermacrine while you are on two AAS.


Enathanate has a t1/2 of 3-4 days in most people. EOD is ideal, E3D is fine, and twice a week is OK too. No need at all for ED unless you want a little more injection comfort.

I would also suggest a frontload.

 

[swole]

Don't drop the test. 100mgs/wk at least.


I'm sure a few will disagree, but I also see no reason to run Dermacrine while you are on two anabolic androgenic steroids.


Enathanate has a t1/2 of 3-4 days in most people. EOD is ideal, E3D is fine, and twice a week is OK too. No need at all for ED unless you want a little more injection comfort.

I would also suggest a frontload.

good post.

i plan to run the test, i can make gains off 200mg EW so i think 300mg is perfect since that is what 1ml of my test e contains

running derma makes sense, i was doing a little reading but will wait for PP to chime in

so you suggest a prim.o frontload? how much and why?

 

[Guvna]

so you suggest a prim.o frontload? how much and why?

So it doesn't take three weeks to get to "therapeutic" levels of primo. Without a frontload, and at 300mg dosing 2x a week, it will take 3 weeks for steady state concentrations. With a 700mg frontload the first day--then following a normal schedule (1000mgs the first week) You will be at steady state by day 4. You are practically at steady state with the test since you are only going up 100mgs a week, so there isnt a big deal there. Good luck.

 

[needtogetaas]

i want someone to explain to me why i should run derma for 12 weeks as opposed to the last 4 weeks of my cycle

and i want you guys to keep in mind i can't pin ED, yes i know ideally prim.o should be an ED shot

but it's not feasible, nor do i think i'm sacrificing anything if i go twice weekly

You can just post up the pm I sent you bro. lol I don't feel like saying it all again.