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All set and ready to start Monday ( first course )

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Thanks to everyone for the advice given to me in my last thread.

I'm all set and ready to start on Monday, looking forward to the next couple of months, to the point where I've booked six weeks off work to start me off.

testosterone cypionate 200mg/ml-20 ml
Stanozolol 10mg- 200 tabs

Wk1-12 400mg ( 200mg Mon&Thurs )
Wk 1-6 40mg of Winstrol

I put half a mil in my shoulder last night as a practice run to get the first time out the way and it was a piece of piss I'm happily to report.

Lets get it on!
 
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Well they shouldn't and its against the rules.. a quick edit and your fine

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Why are you staring with winny? Most including me end there cycle with winny, why not start with anavar or dbol?
Not being critical just curious.
 
I've gone with Winnie to compensate any water I may carry, and I have liked everything that I have read about it. I'm not after putting on a lot of size, more of a kick to get me moving forward again and a bit of edge in the gym- I'm under the impression that I wouldn't have got that from Var.

I'm in my 30's now,so I wanted an average amount of test, just enough to notice a difference,but not to the point where I would carry a lot of water,and a slight increase in aggression would be great.

I've taken some time off work to "live the life" as such, I'm not going to do anything other than eat,train and sleep.

I'm waiting on another bottle of test- should have that this week latest.

I'm hoping for a safe and quality cycle with some lean gains at the end?!

Thank you both for replying
 
I didn't answer the question lol.

I'm starting with the Winnie to get the most out of my time off work and I've been informed by a few people that I won't start feeling the test till around week 3-4, I should be half-way through the Winnie by that point and loving every minute ? Lol

Thanks again
 
That doesn't make sense.. winny will help remove water but with the test you will probably bloat a little and that's gonna add water back in..

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With this being my first cycle I was advised to start with test-I didn't want to be jabbing EOD- and I preferred cypionate. I think you even suggested this.

I wanted to use an oral along side this and Winnie fitted the bill. I've spoke to a few people and they have slated Var.
 
Pin the test twice a week and run winny the last few weeks instead of the start.. that's how I would do it..

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Because the test will cause increased water retention and winny will reduce it so it doesn't make sense to run it at the start

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But Cyp can be used in a cutting cycle. Water retention is an issue for me to be honest, I'm expecting some obviously, but will such a low dose and a clean diet with plenty of CV surely I'm not going to carrying a lot?????????

If that's the case it's going back!!
 
The water will go at the end of the cycle.. best cyp is a long ester there is more potential for water retention than a short ester such a prop.. but prop has to be injected more frequently.. use a good ai and keep diet in check and water retention will be minimised

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Also you should take arosamin throughout to counter the bloat not winny. Winny is for at the end to harden the muscle and push out the veins.
 
Thanks to everyone for the advice given to me in my last thread.

I'm all set and ready to start on Monday, looking forward to the next couple of months, to the point where I've booked six weeks off work to start me off.

testosterone cypionate 200mg/ml-20 ml
Stanozolol 10mg- 200 tabs

Wk1-12 400mg ( 200mg Mon&Thurs )
Wk 1-6 40mg of Winstrol

I put half a mil in my shoulder last night as a practice run to get the first time out the way and it was a piece of piss I'm happily to report.

Lets get it on!

So you got everything you need?


1 - Got your blood work #s? Most important to see where you start at. And 3 weeks post cycle to see where you end. Only $52 to have it done bro and absolutely no excuses not to.

2 - Got your support supps? Liver supp? Cholestrol aid? (you will or at least you should be eating higher protein and calories than normal and will want to be on the safe side) Saw Palmetto to keep that ol' prostate in check? No sense letting some random cheeky bloke pop it if it swells up.

3 - Finished an honest evaluation of yourself in the mirror and laid out a plan of what you are going to prioritize and devote the most energy to? All muscle groups do not grow at the same rate and effectively targeting those that will enhance your After image in relation to your Before image is the best plan. Nothing worse than someone spending all the money on AAS, blood work, supps, food and then rushing into the gym and trying to make bodypart explode which only taps into their CNS and grinds all progressive they could make to a minimal level by week 4.

Also, there is no reason you can't run winstrol the entire 12 weeks. Winstrol is an excellent choice for first cycles. I used it my first cycle and ran it for 34 weeks. I posted my labs the week after ending it and 5 weeks later and my #s were not blown off the charts like everyone claimed they would be.
 
You must have missed my age there fella. You don't need to talk down to me, you come across like a prick and I'm sure you're not like that.

Yes, I'm having blood drawn ( its costing me ÂŁ159 for a full screening), and I have "everything that I need also. This isn't my first post.

Thank you for your time.
 
You must have missed my age there fella. You don't need to talk down to me, you come across like a prick and I'm sure you're not like that.

Yes, I'm having blood drawn ( its costing me ÂŁ159 for a full screening), and I have "everything that I need also. This isn't my first post.

Thank you for your time.

I came across as a prick? Imagine that! Actually, I really am like that.

No, this isn't your first post, seeing how you have 21 of them.

What's your age got to do with it? I'm 37. Is your age supposed to make a cycle more or less effective?

You are starting your cycle Monday - in two days - not counting you already pinned yourself. But haven't had blood done yet. :rolleyes:
 
Actually I am not. I really am this much of a prick. Ask around.

If you don't want someone who knows WTF they are talking about giving you advice, why you posting here then? Do you realize how seldom I actually post on here to advise members FOR FREE? If you want a pleasant and cordial (and very fake) attitude, it is going to cost you my going rate of $150 per session. If you want it for free, then you are going to have to settle for my natural outlook.

But hey... it's your health. Do what you want your first cycle and settle for whatever results you can get.
 
I came here for advice, not attitude. Not interested in any negativity, no matter how rare or precious it may be.

Thanks again.
 
Being factual is not the same thing as being negative. I haven't posted anything negative towards you. If you find the reality of my posting as negative that is your own fault not mine.

My advice stands. If it is to be disputed, it will be by someone who has more experience and some cycles under their belts to judge by. Not a newbie who with only 1/2 cc of juice in his delt.
 
Ok..........! Why not.

I have no issue with "factual", the more facts I have the better, I don't mind you being objective with how you convey those facts, but the fact you're now calling me a newbie with" 1/2 a cc of juice in his delt" is kinda backing up what I'm saying to be honest with you.

You've also made a couple of comments that don't come across in a particularly approachable way either; twice you've told me you're a prick, and I should ask around about you or be thankful that you're even talking to me because normally it would cost $150 per session. That does sound a little self-righteous- surely you can understand what I'm saying here!

If I find your posts negative, that doesn't mean there's a fault to be found or anyone's at fault for that matter! Who was disputing your advice? I didnt say/question anything ! Nor would I! You obviously know more than I do, hence me asking for advice and not offering it!!!

All I'm after is to be spoken to as an adult. My perception is you're talking down to me, you've told me you're a prick to everyone, ok fair enough. The end.

I'm not going to be asking you for advice and you won't be offering any. Job done.

All the best.
 
To be honest you are the one that ends up coming off childish. You have one of yhe most knowledgable and experienced posters on the site offering you valuable advice and you ignore its content because you dont like the tone? Thats not very bright.

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Ok..........! Why not.

I have no issue with "factual", the more facts I have the better, I don't mind you being objective with how you convey those facts, but the fact you're now calling me a newbie with" 1/2 a cc of juice in his delt" is kinda backing up what I'm saying to be honest with you.

And this is incorrect exactly how? You have already posted that you took a half cc shot in the delt, correct? With zero cycles under your belt. Therefore, my statement is indeed true.

You've also made a couple of comments that don't come across in a particularly approachable way either; twice you've told me you're a prick,

Never let it be said that I lie. I am.

and I should ask around about you

Yes,you should.

or be thankful that you're even talking to me because normally it would cost $150 per session.

Yes, you should. Because I do.

That does sound a little self-righteous- surely you can understand what I'm saying here!

Understand it? I think by now I have pretty much admitted that in addition to being self righteous, I am also arrogant, obnoxious and very abrasive. So what? You are embarking on something that can have extreme health ramifications to your body if you are not careful. You actually don't even know what shape your body is in since you have not even had the blood work done yet before starting a cycle. So if you can't handle someone giving you some real talk, then you aren't cut out for this place. We don't coddle people here.

If I find your posts negative, that doesn't mean there's a fault to be found or anyone's at fault for that matter! Who was disputing your advice? I didnt say/question anything ! Nor would I! You obviously know more than I do, hence me asking for advice and not offering it!!!

No, you were simply feeling a bit insecure and couldn't handle some real talk being given to you. Instead of handing you a one sentence reply just like everyone else that posted on this thread before I showed up, I actually typed out a lengthy post on what you should have already done by this point and a reasonable option to what your cycle is and could be. And you come back with a whiny little "your talking down to me" reply? Want me to hold your hand the entire cycle? Want me to chew your food for you too? You claim you are taking time off from work to "live the life" while you are on this cycle and just eat, sleep and train... yet despite starting a thread here you don't want anyone making any kind of reasonable suggestions to you based on their "tone"?

All I'm after is to be spoken to as an adult. My perception is you're talking down to me, you've told me you're a prick to everyone, ok fair enough. The end.

Your perception is wrong. That's your fault. Not mine.

I'm not going to be asking you for advice and you won't be offering any. Job done.

I'll be offering anything I want. Who do you think you are to tell me what I will and won't be doing on here?

Good lord. Offer someone some decent advice and they get sand in their panties over it. Anyone this thin skinned and insecure shouldn't be taking 6 weeks off from work to "live the life" on a cycle. They need to be spending it on a psychiatrist couch.
 
So if you're self-righteous, arrogant, obnoxious and abrasive by your own admission; can you honestly not understand what I'm saying to you. Seriously? Do you not think these qualities are shown when you communicate on here?

You're telling me my preception is wrong? That's quite a statement in its self.

We're obviously not going to agree on anything,we have very different opinions on how to offer advice and this is starting to become derogative.

I haven't mocked you or questioned your knowledge once, I'm not sure why you feel you need to behave in that way but YOU'RE RIGHT you can do what you want, I'm just asking that you don't deal with me in that particular fashion.

Actually.....

To be honest with you fella, I deal with enough fucking shit on a day to day basis with work so if I want to come on the Internet and let my guard down a little and expect to be spoken to in a manner that I don't find to be derogative. I will.
I'm not sure how this works on here, but you hold a title of "elite moderator", you would think you'd be a little more accommodating to the general audience that you actually hold. People ( myself potentially ) put their trust in you and actually listen to what you say. I'm not the insecure one my friend ( I am being sarcastic there ), that would be you with the "god-like" persona"- I know more than you so I will talk to you how ever I like, and if you don't like it .....that's your fault!!!!! Why are you so confrontation ? I understand you have to deal with people on an everyday basis that don't have your knowledge- which is subjective by the way!- but you choose to anyway, so guide them. That's what being a mentor or a senior figure is all about; communicating in a clear and concise way, and the information is current, accurate and relevant and communicated in a way that the recipient understands. Why be rude for the sake of it ? What do you gain from being seen in that light?

Your title suggests that you are in some way entrusted with the reputation of this site and hold a position of responsibility. I would have hoped that someone in that position would be more respectful towards " newbies". You are obviously participative in nature, so why not try and be a little more aware of your environment and how you project certain qualities about yourself, this site and other mods, I can promise you it will work wonders.

There's really no need to dissect this email, we all know you're an intelligent guy and how far superior you are to me in relation to this topic.
 
^^ Bunch of nonsense from someone more interested in "tone" than advice.

Despite the fact I took time to type out a decent length reply, this insecure individual (yes) instead started crying tears in his beer right off the bat.

:rolleyes:

This thread is done.
 
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