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Wondering am gonna run an 8 week cycle of osta and have s4 can run for 4 weeks.
Should I run the s4 at start or last 4 weeks of cycle? Also thinking of running transderm with it.
Would be mostly weight loss oriented just with physical summer job tough train high intensity. Weight loss is for wrestling wanna be under 10 lbs from weight class so need lose about 15-20 in next several months no hurry. Also considering throwing in some albuterol.

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it would be most optimal to run s4 for the full 8 weeks bro... its on sale for 19.99 at uniquemicals so you should take advantage of that and run it the full 8... you will get tremendous results that way... if you absolutely can only run it for 4 weeks then run it the last 4... if you want that kind of weight loss then this would be an ultimate shred stack bro...

1-8 ostarine 25 mg a day... dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg a day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 6 hours later
1-8 gw 501516 10 mg a day... split doses... 5 mg in the a.m. and 5 mg 12 hours later
3-8 albuterol 12 mg a day... 3 doses a day
1-8 forma stanzol - 10 pumps a day
1-8 hcgenerate
1-11 need2slin

mini pct (3 weeks)
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

hey dylan....just a quick question bro. If ur taking a triple stack of sarms, and say u have to take at least a dosage of all three or two compunds in the a.m. for example, is it ok to mix the compunds together in one drink?

I.e. will mixing the compounds together react differently? or should u take it separately?

take them separately bro...
 
hey bro. whats ur thoughts on aicar consumption for the synergy with gw? I see greatwhitepeptides is carrying it for a reasonable price at 100mg. other than the lab studies on varmots I havent seen any concrete feedback from people usin aicar yet? im still reading but it appears to be a huge benefit for those that don't exercise.

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I'm into my 2nd week of MK / S-4 / IGF-1 lr3. I didn't notice anything until the second week nothing major but when I wake up in the morning I just feel good no MD man sorness in the joints. Knees feel great and I can put in 6 days instead of 4 at the gym.
My question is what sarm is causing the joints to feel better? Or us it the IGF?

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Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

I'm into my 2nd week of MK / S-4 / IGF-1 lr3. I didn't notice anything until the second week nothing major but when I wake up in the morning I just feel good no MD man sorness in the joints. Knees feel great and I can put in 6 days instead of 4 at the gym.
My question is what sarm is causing the joints to feel better? Or us it the IGF?

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its the mk bro... mk has healing properties in it and normally mk kicks in nicely at about the 10-14 day mark, so its right on time man!
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

I recently purchased the AS Cycle e-book and am looking to clean out my PH collection as I study and plan my first real AS cycle. I have enough h-drol 50/50/75/75/75/75 and epistane 0/30/30/30/30/30/30 for a 6 week cycle as well as Nolva, Titanium, Organ Sheild, and Bromo for PCT. I am wondering if stacking S-4 at 50/50/60/60/75/75 with the cycle would enhance my gains. Mind you I will be looking to do my first AS cycle at the end of the 8 week PCT. Any info would be appreciated. Thank You in advance.
 
they are working on the bottles issue guys... if you have leakage, send them an email and they will take care of you... i transfer mine for now until new bottles are produced but send them an email with any concerns and they will definitely take care of you...

I sent them an email and they took care of me! And they did it very quickly. Outstanding customer service!
 
So would osta and S4 be a good stack for a lean muscle gain cycle looking to gain like 10 pounds before doing a real cycle I'm 23 6 1 220 14% bf
 
Hey dylan im 22 5ft8 170lbz currently looking to do a cycle of sarms but for a bulk to maximise mass gains what would you recommend running for my goals? Im looking to bulk up to 180-190 lbs this following 7 months. Thanks bro would really appreciate your help
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

hey bro. whats ur thoughts on aicar consumption for the synergy with gw? I see greatwhitepeptides is carrying it for a reasonable price at 100mg. other than the lab studies on varmots I havent seen any concrete feedback from people usin aicar yet? im still reading but it appears to be a huge benefit for those that don't exercise.

Sent from my htc t-bolt using the elitefitness app.

i did some research on this and found a very interesting study that I think you will find to be quite informative and helpful!

Studies have shown that GW1516, an agonist of peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptor δ (PPAR- δ) and amp-activated protein kinase can mimic some of the beneficial effects of exercise in skeletal muscle without really exerting an effort to exercise (Narkar et al. 2008). Studies reported that the signaling of AMPK and that of PPAR are interacting which then results to many adaptations in skeletal muscle. This has been shown in treadmill running tests in mice where pathway-specific drugs endurance capacities were targeted. The investigators found out that the PPAR-delta agonist and training synergistically increase the oxidative myofibers and running endurance in adult mice (Narkar et al. 2008). This is the same with the arguments of Wade (2008) who reported that mouse was supercharged to 75% increase endurance when coupled with exercise.

This has been supported by another investigation conducted by Oliveret al. (2001) where they reported that GW1516 increased expression of the reverse cholesterol transporter ATP-binding cassette A1 as observed in cells of the intestine, fibroblasts and macrophages. Furthermore, they reported that the agonist hormone the apolipoprotein A1-specific efflux of cholesterol. When they administered the drug to the middle-aged rhesus monkeys which develops spontaneous adult-onset obesity, they found out that the drug increased the serum high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (79%), which is the good cholesterol. The ratio was between HDLC and total cholesterol was also improved among all doses used. The administration of which is dose-dependent accompanied with decrease in the concentration of low-density lipoproteins. Decrease in the fasting triglycerides was also observed with the rate of 56%. This decrease if further complemented with the decrease in VLDL (50% decrease) when plasma of the monkeys were analyzed. The study then has clearly demonstrated that administration of the GW1516 allowed the rhesus monkeys to maintain glucose concentrations in the normal range despite the fact that they are hyperinsulinemic, suggesting potential clinical applications in treating and managing diabetes (Oliver et al. 2001).

Another hormone or synthetically produce peptide, AICAR, has been shown to cause mice to experience the benefits of exercise without actually doing it. In addition, other studies demonstrated that 44% increase in resistance and endurance was observed in stagnant mouse, and could be tripled when coupled with GW1516 (Goodyear, 2008).


Acadesine (5-amino-1-[ß-D-ribofuranosyl]imidazole-4-carboxamide), also known as AICAR, is a protein that is an amp-activated protein kinase activator (Menasche et al. 1995). It is a prototype hormone which belongs to a newly recognized classification of therapeutic compounds/agents called adenosine-regulating agents because they primarily induce the increase in the local availability of adenosine, especially for the adenosine triphosphate depleted regions or tissues (Gruber et al. 1989). Its structural conformation is shown as the following:



Chemical properties:

Molecular Formula: C9H14N4O5
Molecular Weight: 258.23
Melting Point: 214-2150C

An important characteristic of Aicar is its ability to elicit inhibition for the production of lipids or lipogenesis through increased phosphorylation of acetyl-coA carboxylase (ACC). This has been shown in mice adipocytes when AICAR was administered and an increased activation of the cellular amp-activated protein kinase was observed (Sullivan et al. 1994). The same effects have been observed in sedentary mice that have been treated with AICAR for 4 weeks. They observed that there still induced metabolic genes and even enhanced running endurance by 44% (Narkar et al. 2009). This suggests that Aicar can be used to target the PPAR receptors to elicit exercise-like effects and benefits.

Other studies also demonstrated that the effects of Aicar are enhanced when combined with GW1516. This has been demonstrated in the sedentary mice which produced a transcriptional profile that is unique (189 genes). The interesting thing on this is that, most of the genes (52) out of the 189 genes actually overlapped with many of the genes that have been shown to be regulated by exercise. However, the cultures of muscles from mice have also shown that there is a need for the PPAR-delta for the two hormones (AICAR and GW1516) to take effect (Gough et al. 2008).

The chemical reactivity of acadesine was reported to be silent in normal conditions, meaning when ATP concentrations are in the normal levels, but becomes functional when the said phosphate form is decreased (Mullane 1993). Because of its ability to harvest the positive effects of the protective autocoid without the limiting effects associated with using adenosine as the substrate or a congineer of adenosine, it has been exploited and applied in different medical medications to treat illnesses and abnormalities such ischamia and its sequelae. Acadesine was found to protect the organ from injury during the onset of ischemia (Galinanes et al. 1992). This has been shown in preliminary studies in rats suffering from ischemia, Aicar was applied through perfusion; functional recovery from the illness was immediately observed (2.5 hours). It has also been shown that acadesine reacts immediately and hastily with hypochlorous acid (HOCl) which then provides protection over a number of critical biological targets (Bullough et al. 1993). This has been supported by a number of other studies which also concluded that acadesine indeed offers a cardioprotective effects. Such treatments have also been supplemented to human patients who are suffering from ischemia and/or coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG). Furthermore, acadesine has been proven in clinical studies to prevent aggregation of clotting of blood platelets. Also, it improves contractile functioning of the ventricles in postischemic events, decreases the level of free-radical and oxidant-induced cardiac damages (Matthew et al. 1995); however, it was also demonstrated to have no effect in superoxide anions that were generated by xanthine-xanthine oxidase or hydrogen peroxide induced peroxidation (Bullough et al. 1993). In addition, it also allows adherence of the inhibitneutrophil (PMN) to endothelium and inhibits the accumulation of the PMN in the myocardium experiencing ischemia (Levin et al. 1990).
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

I recently purchased the AS Cycle e-book and am looking to clean out my PH collection as I study and plan my first real AS cycle. I have enough h-drol 50/50/75/75/75/75 and epistane 0/30/30/30/30/30/30 for a 6 week cycle as well as Nolva, Titanium, Organ Sheild, and Bromo for PCT. I am wondering if stacking S-4 at 50/50/60/60/75/75 with the cycle would enhance my gains. Mind you I will be looking to do my first AS cycle at the end of the 8 week PCT. Any info would be appreciated. Thank You in advance.

s4 would be a great addition to that cycle but here's my concerns... your pct is complete and utter fucking garbage... nolva is not pct and will not recovery you at all... your pct should be like this: clomid 25/12./12.5/12.5 also the unleashed/post cycle combo and forma stanzol... also, your pct should not be 8 weeks, its 4 weeks... and you cannot run another cycle for quite some time after you finish this one... you will be on for a total of 10 weeks... 6 weeks on the cycle and 4 weeks of pct which means you need to take at least 10 weeks off until your next cycle...
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

So would osta and S4 be a good stack for a lean muscle gain cycle looking to gain like 10 pounds before doing a real cycle I'm 23 6 1 220 14% bf


you can definitely get some nice lean gains off this stack but its going to be more in the 4-7 lb. range... you will see a great increase in strength, energy, lean muscle, etc... you will lean out nicely if your diet and training is spot on...
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Hey dylan im 22 5ft8 170lbz currently looking to do a cycle of sarms but for a bulk to maximise mass gains what would you recommend running for my goals? Im looking to bulk up to 180-190 lbs this following 7 months. Thanks bro would really appreciate your help

sarms and not used as bulkers bro... they will definitely help you to not only keep but add to your gains after a cycle, and you could definitely put on a good 4-7 lbs. from them but your not going to all out bulk on them... they are going to provide very nice lean muscle gains, strength and energy gains as well...
 
Can i use sarms if ive never used aas before as a safer route though? If so what would be a nice cycle of sarms if i wanted to put 4-7lbs of lean muscle?
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Can i use sarms if ive never used aas before as a safer route though? If so what would be a nice cycle of sarms if i wanted to put 4-7lbs of lean muscle?


absolutely you can... its a great first option man... here's how you should run it...

1-8 mk2866 25 mg a day... dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg a day... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 6 hours later
1-8 hcgenerate
1-8 forma stanzol
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini pct
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
 
Thanks alot dylan from what ive read sarms are safer than phs to, is this true? From ur experience what wud u say the worst sides uve faced?
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

s4 would be a great addition to that cycle but here's my concerns... your pct is complete and utter fucking garbage... nolva is not pct and will not recovery you at all... your pct should be like this: clomid 25/12./12.5/12.5 also the unleashed/post cycle combo and forma stanzol... also, your pct should not be 8 weeks, its 4 weeks... and you cannot run another cycle for quite some time after you finish this one... you will be on for a total of 10 weeks... 6 weeks on the cycle and 4 weeks of pct which means you need to take at least 10 weeks off until your next cycle...

Thanx for the straight info. I'll follow through as recommended. Plus, this gives me more time to study the e-book and get my supplies. Looks like the Platinum membership will be with the scratch. Thanx again,
 
i did some research on this and found a very interesting study that I think you will find to be quite informative and helpful!

Studies have shown that GW1516, an agonist of peroxisome-proliferator-activated receptor δ (PPAR- δ) and amp-activated protein kinase can mimic some of the beneficial effects of exercise in skeletal muscle without really exerting an effort to exercise (Narkar et al. 2008). Studies reported that the signaling of AMPK and that of PPAR are interacting which then results to many adaptations in skeletal muscle. This has been shown in treadmill running tests in mice where pathway-specific drugs endurance capacities were targeted. The investigators found out that the PPAR-delta agonist and training synergistically increase the oxidative myofibers and running endurance in adult mice (Narkar et al. 2008). This is the same with the arguments of Wade (2008) who reported that mouse was supercharged to 75% increase endurance when coupled with exercise.

This has been supported by another investigation conducted by Oliveret al. (2001) where they reported that GW1516 increased expression of the reverse cholesterol transporter ATP-binding cassette A1 as observed in cells of the intestine, fibroblasts and macrophages. Furthermore, they reported that the agonist hormone the apolipoprotein A1-specific efflux of cholesterol. When they administered the drug to the middle-aged rhesus monkeys which develops spontaneous adult-onset obesity, they found out that the drug increased the serum high-density lipoprotein cholesterol (79%), which is the good cholesterol. The ratio was between HDLC and total cholesterol was also improved among all doses used. The administration of which is dose-dependent accompanied with decrease in the concentration of low-density lipoproteins. Decrease in the fasting triglycerides was also observed with the rate of 56%. This decrease if further complemented with the decrease in VLDL (50% decrease) when plasma of the monkeys were analyzed. The study then has clearly demonstrated that administration of the GW1516 allowed the rhesus monkeys to maintain glucose concentrations in the normal range despite the fact that they are hyperinsulinemic, suggesting potential clinical applications in treating and managing diabetes (Oliver et al. 2001).

Another hormone or synthetically produce peptide, AICAR, has been shown to cause mice to experience the benefits of exercise without actually doing it. In addition, other studies demonstrated that 44% increase in resistance and endurance was observed in stagnant mouse, and could be tripled when coupled with GW1516 (Goodyear, 2008).


Acadesine (5-amino-1-[ß-D-ribofuranosyl]imidazole-4-carboxamide), also known as AICAR, is a protein that is an amp-activated protein kinase activator (Menasche et al. 1995). It is a prototype hormone which belongs to a newly recognized classification of therapeutic compounds/agents called adenosine-regulating agents because they primarily induce the increase in the local availability of adenosine, especially for the adenosine triphosphate depleted regions or tissues (Gruber et al. 1989). Its structural conformation is shown as the following:



Chemical properties:

Molecular Formula: C9H14N4O5
Molecular Weight: 258.23
Melting Point: 214-2150C

An important characteristic of Aicar is its ability to elicit inhibition for the production of lipids or lipogenesis through increased phosphorylation of acetyl-coA carboxylase (ACC). This has been shown in mice adipocytes when AICAR was administered and an increased activation of the cellular amp-activated protein kinase was observed (Sullivan et al. 1994). The same effects have been observed in sedentary mice that have been treated with AICAR for 4 weeks. They observed that there still induced metabolic genes and even enhanced running endurance by 44% (Narkar et al. 2009). This suggests that Aicar can be used to target the PPAR receptors to elicit exercise-like effects and benefits.

Other studies also demonstrated that the effects of Aicar are enhanced when combined with GW1516. This has been demonstrated in the sedentary mice which produced a transcriptional profile that is unique (189 genes). The interesting thing on this is that, most of the genes (52) out of the 189 genes actually overlapped with many of the genes that have been shown to be regulated by exercise. However, the cultures of muscles from mice have also shown that there is a need for the PPAR-delta for the two hormones (AICAR and GW1516) to take effect (Gough et al. 2008).

The chemical reactivity of acadesine was reported to be silent in normal conditions, meaning when ATP concentrations are in the normal levels, but becomes functional when the said phosphate form is decreased (Mullane 1993). Because of its ability to harvest the positive effects of the protective autocoid without the limiting effects associated with using adenosine as the substrate or a congineer of adenosine, it has been exploited and applied in different medical medications to treat illnesses and abnormalities such ischamia and its sequelae. Acadesine was found to protect the organ from injury during the onset of ischemia (Galinanes et al. 1992). This has been shown in preliminary studies in rats suffering from ischemia, Aicar was applied through perfusion; functional recovery from the illness was immediately observed (2.5 hours). It has also been shown that acadesine reacts immediately and hastily with hypochlorous acid (HOCl) which then provides protection over a number of critical biological targets (Bullough et al. 1993). This has been supported by a number of other studies which also concluded that acadesine indeed offers a cardioprotective effects. Such treatments have also been supplemented to human patients who are suffering from ischemia and/or coronary artery bypass grafting (CABG). Furthermore, acadesine has been proven in clinical studies to prevent aggregation of clotting of blood platelets. Also, it improves contractile functioning of the ventricles in postischemic events, decreases the level of free-radical and oxidant-induced cardiac damages (Matthew et al. 1995); however, it was also demonstrated to have no effect in superoxide anions that were generated by xanthine-xanthine oxidase or hydrogen peroxide induced peroxidation (Bullough et al. 1993). In addition, it also allows adherence of the inhibitneutrophil (PMN) to endothelium and inhibits the accumulation of the PMN in the myocardium experiencing ischemia (Levin et al. 1990).

WOW. Good stuff here bro. Im digesting all this now. Quite a lot of confirmed benefits in mice and fat monkeys. It looks like any dosage is good for the other compound. Im gonna see if I can dig up some ratios. Thanks again brother!

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Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Thanks alot dylan from what ive read sarms are safer than phs to, is this true? From ur experience what wud u say the worst sides uve faced?


most definitely they are safer bro... personally, i was very lucky with s4 where the vision sides never really effected me...

read this thread i made on properly dosing s4
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/how-properly-dose-s4-931903.html

that's the only real side you have to worry about with sarms... they can cause slight suppression but if you follow the proper dosing, your sides will be very minimal...
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Thanx for the straight info. I'll follow through as recommended. Plus, this gives me more time to study the e-book and get my supplies. Looks like the Platinum membership will be with the scratch. Thanx again,

anytime bro, im happy to help
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

WOW. Good stuff here bro. Im digesting all this now. Quite a lot of confirmed benefits in mice and fat monkeys. It looks like any dosage is good for the other compound. Im gonna see if I can dig up some ratios. Thanks again brother!

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anytime bro... let me know if you give it a try and how it turns out for you!
 
Hey dylan bro i reli appreciate the cycle layout uve given i defo wana run this cycle soon. But im currently on a natty cycle of hcgenerate and forma hw long after this cycle can i begin my sarms run?
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Hi Dylan, i have a bottle of S4 and Mk2866 right now, I just try to gain about 10lbs of clean muscles.can i run them alone without any steroid but still see some result. Thanks
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Hey dylan bro i reli appreciate the cycle layout uve given i defo wana run this cycle soon. But im currently on a natty cycle of hcgenerate and forma hw long after this cycle can i begin my sarms run?

3-4 weeks after... technically you could start sarms anytime but you need forma and hcgenerate ran alongside them and you need to take 3-4 weeks off of both of them before running them again...
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Hi Dylan, i have a bottle of S4 and Mk2866 right now, I just try to gain about 10lbs of clean muscles.can i run them alone without any steroid but still see some result. Thanks


on an 8 week run, with good training and a good diet you can get 4-7 lbs of nice lean muscle... you don't need any steroids ran with them for these type of gains... here's the cycle...


1-8 mk2866 25 mg a day... dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg a day... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 6 hours later
1-8 HCGenerate
1-8 forma stanzol
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
 
they are working on the bottles issue guys... if you have leakage, send them an email and they will take care of you... i transfer mine for now until new bottles are produced but send them an email with any concerns and they will definitely take care of you...

Just curious what you transfer yours into?
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

Great thread Dylan, I read the whole thing start to finish over a couple days in my spare time.

I'm thinking about running a short 4 week SARMs cycle to add a little muscle and was thinking MK seemed like the best fit for that. Unfortunately, things are going to get a little crazy for me in about 4 weeks schedule-wise, so I can't really do any longer than 4 weeks cuz I don't think I'll be able to go as hard as I'd like with the workouts to make it worth it beyond 4 weeks. Do you think a 4 week cycle of MK would be worth it? I recall reading here that it doesn't really kick in until like the 2nd week, but I'm cool with that. This would be my first cycle of anything other than just working my ass off and consuming a crap ton of protein.

Do you think adding S4 would be worth it for just a 4 week run? For my first cycle, I figured if I kept S4 to 4 weeks I could avoid having to worry about PCT too.

Things get less crazy for me in late September, so I am thinking of getting a Helladrol cycle set to run around then too.

Oh, about me too, I'm 25, 5'9", ~190 lbs, BF ~11-12%, been training hard about 6 years. Diet is about 2500 Cal/day with a P/F/C breakdown of about 45/25/30 and minimal consumption of fats and carbs in the same meal.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
 
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Great thread Dylan, I read the whole thing start to finish over a couple days in my spare time.

I'm thinking about running a short 4 week SARMs cycle to add a little muscle and was thinking MK seemed like the best fit for that. Unfortunately, things are going to get a little crazy for me in about 4 weeks schedule-wise, so I can't really do any longer than 4 weeks cuz I don't think I'll be able to go as hard as I'd like with the workouts to make it worth it beyond 4 weeks. Do you think a 4 week cycle of MK would be worth it? I recall reading here that it doesn't really kick in until like the 2nd week, but I'm cool with that. This would be my first cycle of anything other than just working my ass off and consuming a crap ton of protein.

Do you think adding S4 would be worth it for just a 4 week run? For my first cycle, I figured if I kept S4 to 4 weeks I could avoid having to worry about PCT too.

Things get less crazy for me in late September, so I am thinking of getting a Helladrol cycle set to run around then too.

Oh, about me too, I'm 25, 5'9", ~190 lbs, BF ~11-12%, been training hard about 6 years. Diet is about 2500 Cal/day with a P/F/C breakdown of about 45/25/30 and minimal consumption of fats and carbs in the same meal.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

hey bro, im glad that you got a nice good read here! there's a lot of info in this thread that's really helpful...

to be honest, you will not get the max benefit running it only 4 weeks... its simply not enough... you might get some but you will be so much happier running it the full 8... if your set on running it only 4 weeks then definitely stack s4 with it but once again, you are not allowing yourself to get max benefits... your diet and training need to be spot on... its not good to try to cram things in though... if you don't have the time, then you need to just wait until you are fully prepared for everything...
 
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hey bro, im glad that you got a nice good read here! there's a lot of info in this thread that's really helpful...

to be honest, you will not get the max benefit running it only 4 weeks... its simply not enough... you might get some but you will be so much happier running it the full 8... if your set on running it only 4 weeks then definitely stack s4 with it but once again, you are not allowing yourself to get max benefits... your diet and training need to be spot on... its not good to try to cram things in though... if you don't have the time, then you need to just wait until you are fully prepared for everything...

Thanks man. Your response is kinda what I was thinking. I'll just hold off for now, and work on getting the stuff for a helladrol cycle in September.
 
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Thanks man. Your response is kinda what I was thinking. I'll just hold off for now, and work on getting the stuff for a helladrol cycle in September.

i think thats a much better and wiser option bro... when you are ready to order your stuff for helladrol, let me know and i will put something very nice together for you... helladrol happens to be one of my specialites... =)
 
After running osta for 8 weeks at 25mg/day I am going to run a mini pct of forged post cycle and unleashed but I have a couple questions.

Can I run osta at 12.5mg in pct?

What steps should I take to keep the strength gains I've made?

I lost around 17lbs in those 8 weeks and still want to lose more. Should I focus more on maintaining strength then cut more after pct? Or is it ok to continue my 500 cal deficit?
 
Re: All of your SARMS questions... Ask them here!!

After running osta for 8 weeks at 25mg/day I am going to run a mini pct of forged post cycle and unleashed but I have a couple questions.

Can I run osta at 12.5mg in pct?

What steps should I take to keep the strength gains I've made?

I lost around 17lbs in those 8 weeks and still want to lose more. Should I focus more on maintaining strength then cut more after pct? Or is it ok to continue my 500 cal deficit?

no bro, you cannot continue to run osta... you have to take a 3 week break from it... you need to run bridge at a double dose and that will help you recover properly and really help with the strength as well...

well if you want to lose more fat, pm me with your goals and i'll set you up on a nice shred stack after your mini pct is over...
 
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OK some visual sides started from the S-4, took 4 says off and all is well now. I continued to use the MK2866 and IGF-1 lr3. and HCGenerate.

Going to try the 5 on 2 off method, I was hit pretty hard with the sides everything was yellow even in the day time. I may lower the dose to 25mg ED 12.5am/12.5pm if 5on 2off doesn't work.
 
This is my first post so bear with me.
I'm 27, female. 5ft 6in, 129lbs. I've done one cycle of anavar.
I plan on doing an osta and s4 stack starting in about a week which I'll go 8 weeks with. I plan to start the s4 at 10mgs twice a day and go up from there. I'm not exactly sure what I should start the osta at? I've read 25mgs a day for men but can't find a dosage for a female anywhere.
 
This is my first post so bear with me.
I'm 27, female. 5ft 6in, 129lbs. I've done one cycle of anavar.
I plan on doing an osta and s4 stack starting in about a week which I'll go 8 weeks with. I plan to start the s4 at 10mgs twice a day and go up from there. I'm not exactly sure what I should start the osta at? I've read 25mgs a day for men but can't find a dosage for a female anywhere.

welcome to elite... i always recommend 12.5 mg for women... i wouldnt go any higher than that

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Dylan,
On Osta 25ed and S-4 40 ed (had to drop from 50 for vision sides). After four weeks things have gone well. Dropped 5 lbs and strength has continued to increase as if I was still eating a bit over maintainance. BJJ tournament is this weekend then I was going to up calories to about 500 over maintainance and put some strength on for the next four weeks. My question is would you drop the S-4 since its more of a cutting/recomp compound or would you keep it in? I was going to keep it, but thought I'd ask you advice first. Thanks, Mr.Sinister.
 
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I am about to start a liquid t3 short cycle to cut down on my bodyfat, i've read that people tend to do aas when there on it to stop muscle loss but i am doing a low dose I was wondering if t3 and s4 mixed and if the s4 would preserve my muscles even if i do lose a little bit of muscle Ill be ok my metabolism is slow anyways so i dont expect t3 to waste my muscles. Thanks again
 
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hey man what would you recommend for a mini pct? I thought I placed an order for post cycle/unleashed but it didnt go through! I have 4 weeks left in an osta/s4 cycle and am very concerned that n2bm and protein factory are both out. So what would you recommend I do? thanks a million bro
 
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hey man what would you recommend for a mini pct? I thought I placed an order for post cycle/unleashed but it didnt go through! I have 4 weeks left in an osta/s4 cycle and am very concerned that n2bm and protein factory are both out. So what would you recommend I do? thanks a million bro

Hey man i know im not Dylan but im pretty sure i can help, i tink NTBM isn't out of unleashed as from what i know, but i know there out of post cycle, why dont you go to mrsupps website and get FORGED post cycle, its the same deal, i just recieved my Unleashed from NTBM took about 2 weeks, which was alright :) Gonna get Forged soon, need it to end my cycle of Test E 12 week, currentli in my 8th week, up 22lbs.
 
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I am about to start a liquid t3 short cycle to cut down on my bodyfat, i've read that people tend to do aas when there on it to stop muscle loss but i am doing a low dose I was wondering if t3 and s4 mixed and if the s4 would preserve my muscles even if i do lose a little bit of muscle Ill be ok my metabolism is slow anyways so i dont expect t3 to waste my muscles. Thanks again

t3 is a huge muscle waster which is a complete waste of time to me... s4 is not going to help preserve muscle loss from t3... fucking steroids have a hard time preventing it... i would never recommend running t3 bro... if you are looking to cut fat, run albuterol with a sarms triple stack... that way you can burn fat and still build muscle...
 
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hey man what would you recommend for a mini pct? I thought I placed an order for post cycle/unleashed but it didnt go through! I have 4 weeks left in an osta/s4 cycle and am very concerned that n2bm and protein factory are both out. So what would you recommend I do? thanks a million bro


post cycle and unleashed are both going to be back in stock by the end of this week or early next week at protein factory and probably ntbm as well... forged post cycle is always a great option and ntbm sells that as well... and make sure you get bridge as well... you should be fine as you have 4 weeks left... as i said though, everything will be back in stock in a weeks time so be looking for it!
 
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no bro, you cannot continue to run osta... you have to take a 3 week break from it... you need to run bridge at a double dose and that will help you recover properly and really help with the strength as well...

well if you want to lose more fat, pm me with your goals and i'll set you up on a nice shred stack after your mini pct is over...

Yeah sorry I wasnt quite thinking when I asked about the Osta in an Osta cycle PCT... I guess that would be like running low dose test after an AAS cycle haha. Im just so happy with my results I dont wanna stop! But I will... then I will PM you to devise a plan to shred up :evil:

Are you recommending Bridge double dose over HCGenerate in my PCT because the Bridge will help prevent fat storage and keep strength gains more so than HCGenerate would? Or would HCGenerate be sufficient?

Should I run the Bridge/HCGen along side Forged Post Cycle and Unleashed?

Im running HCGen the last 4 weeks of the Osta and have a couple doses of PowerChews D-test on hand as well. Im in my last week now. For some reason I thought the Forged Post Cycle with Unleashed would be enough.
 
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Yeah sorry I wasnt quite thinking when I asked about the Osta in an Osta cycle PCT... I guess that would be like running low dose test after an AAS cycle haha. Im just so happy with my results I dont wanna stop! But I will... then I will PM you to devise a plan to shred up :evil:

Are you recommending Bridge double dose over HCGenerate in my PCT because the Bridge will help prevent fat storage and keep strength gains more so than HCGenerate would? Or would HCGenerate be sufficient?

Should I run the Bridge/HCGen along side Forged Post Cycle and Unleashed?

Im running HCGen the last 4 weeks of the Osta and have a couple doses of PowerChews D-test on hand as well. Im in my last week now. For some reason I thought the Forged Post Cycle with Unleashed would be enough.

a lot of people get confused because double dosing bridge is similar to hcgenerate in terms of the fadogia but otherwise they are very different supplements... bridge is much more effective coming off a sarms cycle to help keep strength... its intention is to be utilized in between cycles to help keep gains so it fits in perfectly with a sarms stack mini pct... i lay out the pct i do because its the most optimal way to run it and keep gains... anyone can do what they want, but i lay it out for the best results and best recovery...
 
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a lot of people get confused because double dosing bridge is similar to hcgenerate in terms of the fadogia but otherwise they are very different supplements... bridge is much more effective coming off a sarms cycle to help keep strength... its intention is to be utilized in between cycles to help keep gains so it fits in perfectly with a sarms stack mini pct... i lay out the pct i do because its the most optimal way to run it and keep gains... anyone can do what they want, but i lay it out for the best results and best recovery...

Thanks a lot for help, bro... Just put in an order for some bridge.
 
One more question...
If I take my first dose of s4 in the morning, does the second dose have to be 12 hours later or can I take it say 6-8 hours later, right before my workout?
 
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hey man what would you recommend for a mini pct? I thought I placed an order for post cycle/unleashed but it didnt go through! I have 4 weeks left in an osta/s4 cycle and am very concerned that n2bm and protein factory are both out. So what would you recommend I do? thanks a million bro

My rat is on his 13th week of MK and third week on PCT after finishing an 8 week S-4 cycle that got as high as 100mg ed (7 days on) for 10 days. I bought him FORGED POST CYCLE as a guard to correct any suppression. Things are working like a charm.

This might not be for everyone but it's worked for me.

Dylan will attest at my ability not really feel harsh sides of anything.

Anyhow... Good luck.
 
One more question...
If I take my first dose of s4 in the morning, does the second dose have to be 12 hours later or can I take it say 6-8 hours later, right before my workout?

s4 should be a six hour split...12 is much too long... the half life is short... 6 hours is optimal

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My rat is on his 13th week of MK and third week on PCT after finishing an 8 week S-4 cycle that got as high as 100mg ed (7 days on) for 10 days. I bought him FORGED POST CYCLE as a guard to correct any suppression. Things are working like a charm.

This might not be for everyone but it's worked for me.

Dylan will attest at my ability not really feel harsh sides of anything.

Anyhow... Good luck.

ok I didn't get paid on time so I had to settle for forged since I again was too late now that they're out of post cycle again. Based on your rat's cycle and the fact that people use it in pct I can safely deduce that osta does not suppress, correct?
 
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ok I didn't get paid on time so I had to settle for forged since I again was too late now that they're out of post cycle again. Based on your rat's cycle and the fact that people use it in pct I can safely deduce that osta does not suppress, correct?


osta can cause mild suppression on anything over 4 weeks of usage... forged is fine man... it works great as well...
 
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Im about to do a beastdrol cycle for 4 weeks, would it be ok if I used osta during my pct or just save it for after? BTW im 22 6'0 212lbs 15%BF and at what dosages should I run the osta? Im just unsure as if to run the 25mg a day or bump it up a little higher given my weight
 
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Im about to do a beastdrol cycle for 4 weeks, would it be ok if I used osta during my pct or just save it for after? BTW im 22 6'0 212lbs 15%BF and at what dosages should I run the osta? Im just unsure as if to run the 25mg a day or bump it up a little higher given my weight


you can run osta in pct... i never run a pct without it but under no circumstance should you ever exceed 25 mg a day... your weight would nothing to do with dosage my friend... never exceed 25 mg a day... more is not always better, and sarms are delicate when it comes to dosing...
 
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Awesome info, I've been trying to read through all the post to one that would compliment what suits me best, but there are just so many. You might have covered it but Im looking to run osta, and GW together, but im a little hesitant on the S-4 stuff because of the vision issue's. What is a good first time dosing for the two together? Do you recomend the s-4 with them as well, and if i run 6-8 weeks do i need to take a PCT like nolva? I'm not using the sarms as a bridge or anything if that helps.
 
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Awesome info, I've been trying to read through all the post to one that would compliment what suits me best, but there are just so many. You might have covered it but Im looking to run osta, and GW together, but im a little hesitant on the S-4 stuff because of the vision issue's. What is a good first time dosing for the two together? Do you recomend the s-4 with them as well, and if i run 6-8 weeks do i need to take a PCT like nolva? I'm not using the sarms as a bridge or anything if that helps.

please don't even mention nolva because it should not be used in any pct because its shit...

i would definitely run s4 as well man... i made a thread on how to properly dose s4...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/how-properly-dose-s4-931903.html

ostarine would be 25 mg a day, dose once a day
s4 is 50 mg a day, 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 6 hours later
gw is 10 mg a day, 5 mg in the a.m. and 5 mg 12 hours later...

you will need a mini pct after the cycle... i would run the cycle for 8 weeks and then after the cycle a 3 week pct is needed

pct
unleashed/post cycle combo
bridge (double dosed)

i recommend running hcgenerate on your sarms cycle... forma stanzol is also a very nice addition...
 
I'm on week 5 of my sarms triple stack and it's pretty sweet but I was curious if it would be a wise decision to up the S-4. I'm at 50 mg split but also 5 days on 2 off cause of the vision sides. I'm not having the problem since I started that but just wondering if I could up the dose to 60 or even 75? Thanks in advance.
 
I'm on week 5 of my sarms triple stack and it's pretty sweet but I was curious if it would be a wise decision to up the S-4. I'm at 50 mg split but also 5 days on 2 off cause of the vision sides. I'm not having the problem since I started that but just wondering if I could up the dose to 60 or even 75? Thanks in advance.

if youve had to scale back to 5 on and 2 off then upping the dosage would not be in your best interest

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That's what I thought but had to ask. I'm seeing some good results so I wanted to up it but I had to ask. Thank you sir.

anytime bro... s4 results definitely increase at a higher dosage but its not wise if you have already experienced problems to fuck with it... if you find that you are not experiencing any sides at all, then it may be okay to up it... read this...

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/how-properly-dose-s4-931903.html
 
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how often can you run 8wk 25mg osta cycles? whats the wait period inbetween?

thanks
 
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how often can you run 8wk 25mg osta cycles? whats the wait period inbetween?

thanks

after 8 weeks of mk, you need a 3 week mini pct... unleashed/post cycle combo and bridge is the pct for this... then wait a week and you can run it again...
 
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So I read pages 1-31 and ran out of time to keep going but i still have a couple quick questions.
What is s4 main job? burn fat?
whats mk 2866 main job?
whats gw main job?

what benifit does abuterol add to the stack and cycle?

Thanks for the help.
There is a ton of great information on this thread and as I get more time I will continue to read the rest of the pages i'm sure.

Found this on page 52 but if you have more to add then feel free but i'm thinking this pretty much answered it.
ostarine will help with strength and add some nice lean muscle... it also has healing properties that really helps with nagging injuries and overall recovery...

s4 is going to add a ton of muscle hardness and really lean you out... it will give great strength as well...

gw is going to give you a big increase in endurance and is used for weight loss...
 
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I think I might be dosing the GW wrong. Where on the oral syringe should it be to dose it at 10mg? And also where should it be at 25mg for Osta and S-4?
 
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So I read pages 1-31 and ran out of time to keep going but i still have a couple quick questions.
What is s4 main job? burn fat?
whats mk 2866 main job?
whats gw main job?

what benifit does abuterol add to the stack and cycle?

Thanks for the help.
There is a ton of great information on this thread and as I get more time I will continue to read the rest of the pages i'm sure.

Found this on page 52 but if you have more to add then feel free but i'm thinking this pretty much answered it.
ostarine will help with strength and add some nice lean muscle... it also has healing properties that really helps with nagging injuries and overall recovery...

s4 is going to add a ton of muscle hardness and really lean you out... it will give great strength as well...

gw is going to give you a big increase in endurance and is used for weight loss...

those are the basic answers of their qualities... sarms are going to make you feel incredible... huge amounts of energy, strength and endurance increases as well...

albuterol is going to also add endurance and help with cutting fat...
 
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I think I might be dosing the GW wrong. Where on the oral syringe should it be to dose it at 10mg? And also where should it be at 25mg for Osta and S-4?


the gw is 5mg/ml so if you dosing 10 mg at a time then you have to fill the oral syring up to the full mark twice...

25 mg on osta and s4 both is going to be at the .5 mark because they are both 50 mg/ml
 
the gw is 5mg/ml so if you dosing 10 mg at a time then you have to fill the oral syring up to the full mark twice...

25 mg on osta and s4 both is going to be at the .5 mark because they are both 50 mg/ml

Ok that makes sense now I have been under dosing my GW. Thanks again Dylan.
 
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hey dylan, im looking into leaning out / keeping size and possibly making some gains in lean mass before i do a beast/katana/transaderm cycle in sept. what would be the most effective stack / dosing of SARMs for me to get where i would like to be? Im at about 16% body fat right now, would like to work my ass off to get down to 10%.
 
hey dylan, im looking into leaning out / keeping size and possibly making some gains in lean mass before i do a beast/katana/transaderm cycle in sept. what would be the most effective stack / dosing of SARMs for me to get where i would like to be? Im at about 16% body fat right now, would like to work my ass off to get down to 10%.

Hey bro, dylan set me up with a badass stack consisting of osta, s4, forma, creatine nit, need2slin for 8 weeks. Unfortunatly i had to drop out the s4 about halfway through but continued with the rest and dropped 13lbs and definatly shredded up alot. Actually gained some lbm also with the osta so its the shit. My bf was the same as yours so im sure he will set you up with something similiar. Listen to him, hes the freckin man!

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hey dylan, im looking into leaning out / keeping size and possibly making some gains in lean mass before i do a beast/katana/transaderm cycle in sept. what would be the most effective stack / dosing of SARMs for me to get where i would like to be? Im at about 16% body fat right now, would like to work my ass off to get down to 10%.


1-8 ostarine 25mg day dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split dosed... 25 mg a.m. and 25mg six hours later
1-8 gw 501516 10 mg day.. split dosed... 5 mg a.m. and 5 mg twelve hours later
3-8 albuterol 24 mg a day... split three doses
1-8 forma stanzol
1-8 hcgenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini pct
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)

there you go bro...
 
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Hey bro, dylan set me up with a badass stack consisting of osta, s4, forma, creatine nit, need2slin for 8 weeks. Unfortunatly i had to drop out the s4 about halfway through but continued with the rest and dropped 13lbs and definatly shredded up alot. Actually gained some lbm also with the osta so its the shit. My bf was the same as yours so im sure he will set you up with something similiar. Listen to him, hes the freckin man!

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very nice work bro... im very proud of your results! good work!
 
Hey dylan have you ever tried or thought about adding in some transaderm into a sarms cycle? Mainly the triple stack. What's your thoughts on that.
 
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Hey dylan have you ever tried or thought about adding in some transaderm into a sarms cycle? Mainly the triple stack. What's your thoughts on that.

you definitely could but then you will need to run a full pct as opposed to a mini... i haven't personally done it because i run sarms stacks as a bridge in between cycles so using transaderm wouldn't be wise... if thats not the situation, then it would be a great stack, but like i said, a full pct would be required...
 
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1-8 ostarine 25mg day dosed once in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split dosed... 25 mg a.m. and 25mg six hours later
1-8 gw 501516 10 mg day.. split dosed... 5 mg a.m. and 5 mg twelve hours later
3-8 Albuterol 24 mg a day... split three doses
1-8 forma stanzol
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate

mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)

there you go bro...
Awesome bro, thank you
 
its a good question bro... im surprised noone has asked before... it would be a good stack though if done at the proper time...

I've been thinking about it. Ive got a stash of sups I'm gonna get into just waiting til after my doctors appointment about a month and a half away.
 
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I've been thinking about it. Ive got a stash of sups I'm gonna get into just waiting til after my doctors appointment about a month and a half away.

nice bro, keep me updated on what you decide to run...
 
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Hey new here I've just now heard of SARMS after visiting this site and from what you all have been saying about it it sound incredible. My question is this.. Is it a good idea to stack S1 and S4 together? Do you inject SARMS.. is it a pill or what? If you do inject, are there any just as effective alternatives? Saw in another thread that SARMSSEARCH is a legit supplier and also uniquemical, I was wondering how many bottles you would need for a decent cycle as idk how many to order. I don't want to start a cycle and have to re order mid cycle.
 
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Hey new here I've just now heard of SARMS after visiting this site and from what you all have been saying about it it sound incredible. My question is this.. Is it a good idea to stack S1 and S4 together? Do you inject SARMS.. is it a pill or what? If you do inject, are there any just as effective alternatives? Saw in another thread that SARMSSEARCH is a legit supplier and also uniquemical, I was wondering how many bottles you would need for a decent cycle as idk how many to order. I don't want to start a cycle and have to re order mid cycle.


ostarine and s4 is a great stack... it is all taken with an oral syringe... you do not inject sarms...

if you want to run an 8 week cycle of s4 and ostarine then you need only one bottle of ostarine... s4 is subject to change because you won't know until you run it if you can increase the dosage or not... i would get 3-4 bottles to be safe... get them at uniquemicals.com
 
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ostarine and s4 is a great stack... it is all taken with an oral syringe... you do not inject sarms...

if you want to run an 8 week cycle of s4 and ostarine then you need only one bottle of ostarine... s4 is subject to change because you won't know until you run it if you can increase the dosage or not... i would get 3-4 bottles to be safe... get them at uniquemicals.com

Thanks bro I'm gonna run them together and see how it goes. With the way people are raving about them I just have to try them out. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
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How long does it take ostarine to kick in?

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anywhere from 1 week to 2 weeks... for me its usually a week but 2 weeks at the most and then its in full effect bro...
 
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Thanks bro I'm gonna run them together and see how it goes. With the way people are raving about them I just have to try them out. I'll let you know how it goes.


you will love them bro... good luck!
 
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About 2 weeks for most people.

Dylan- what support supps do u recommend running with a SARMs stack?

it depends on your goals from the cycle and which sarms you are running... give me this info and i will set it up for you bro
 
Dylan,
A few more ?? If you don't mind. First would you use S-4 on a bulk? I read somewhere (possibly this thread) that it had nutrient partitioning effects so I was thinking yes, but I was wondering your opinion. Secondly, what do you think a minimum dose of S-4 would be to be effective. I dropped to 40 ed on a 5 on 2 off, and I still had vision sides. Everything white was green at night and my night vision went to shit to the point where driving at night was difficult. I have very good eyesight. I wondered if that lent itself to more sides.
Also my first cut with SARM'S was a success. I lost 6 pounds in 30 days and my lifts went up as if I was on a calorie surplus instead of -500 a day. Dropped from about 15% to around 12-13% as a guess. Performance in the weight room and on the mats didn't suffer at all. Overall I was very satisfied.
 
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Dylan,
A few more ?? If you don't mind. First would you use S-4 on a bulk? I read somewhere (possibly this thread) that it had nutrient partitioning effects so I was thinking yes, but I was wondering your opinion. Secondly, what do you think a minimum dose of S-4 would be to be effective. I dropped to 40 ed on a 5 on 2 off, and I still had vision sides. Everything white was green at night and my night vision went to shit to the point where driving at night was difficult. I have very good eyesight. I wondered if that lent itself to more sides.
Also my first cut with SARM'S was a success. I lost 6 pounds in 30 days and my lifts went up as if I was on a calorie surplus instead of -500 a day. Dropped from about 15% to around 12-13% as a guess. Performance in the weight room and on the mats didn't suffer at all. Overall I was very satisfied.

s4 is not meant for bulking.. really, sarms in general are not meant to bulk... you could put on 4-7 lbs. on a cycle but 10 would be a stretch... if i was going to recommend anything to bulk it would be ostarine... s4 is going to lean you out more... you can get some lean muscle but its not optimal for bulking... 50 mg is the minimum I would dose s4 to get any result... that's just the starting point... if your having trouble with it at 50 then it may not be for you bro... its strange how differently it effects people...
 
Thanks for the info. Looks like S-4 is a no go for me. I can't have the night vision sides like I did. Hell, I almost drove through my cousins garage when I turned onto the wrong road at his condo.
If I just ran Osta, 8 weeks at a clip would you still use the same PCT or would you change it? I was under the impression the S-4 was the more suppressive of the compounds.
 
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Thanks for the info. Looks like S-4 is a no go for me. I can't have the night vision sides like I did. Hell, I almost drove through my cousins garage when I turned onto the wrong road at his condo.
If I just ran Osta, 8 weeks at a clip would you still use the same PCT or would you change it? I was under the impression the S-4 was the more suppressive of the compounds.

it is more suppressive but you will still need to run the same pct bro...
 
Going to start running osta in my pct on monday, 12.5/morning,nite. Is it better to take it with meals or on empty stomach?

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Going to start running osta in my pct on monday, 12.5/morning,nite. Is it better to take it with meals or on empty stomach?

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bro, you don't split the doses on osta... its 25 mg dosed once a day in the a.m... you can take with or without food... either way is fine
 
Ok I keep reading and hearing about sarms and I think I'm almost sold on buying some. Which would you recommend for me. I'm 5'3" 136 lbs bf% about 7 give or take one. Looking to put on a few lean pounds of muscle. Adding size is more important than strength right now to me so with ever is better to add size. This would be my first cycle of anything. All natural up till now. Been lifting about 6 years with last 4 years being extremely dedicated. So are sarms alright for my first try?
 
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