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i would go with ostarine and gw... 12.5 mg day of osta and 10-20 mg of gw for 8 weeks...
i would go with ostarine and gw... 12.5 mg day of osta and 10-20 mg of gw for 8 weeks...
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tha_Waco_kid
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Yo Dylan - would running any other test booster on cycle with sarms have any positive effect on suppression? I suppressed pretty low on my last Sarm triple cycle (I did run HCGen on cycle) and was thinking if I ran another Sarms cycle (minus S4) I might try something different.
Something like DAA or PhytoSerm or Unleashed (along with HC Gen)? Or would this be pointless and/or uneffective during the 8 week cycle?
Thanks Bro - great info as per usual
Yo Dylan - would running any other test booster on cycle with sarms have any positive effect on suppression? I suppressed pretty low on my last Sarm triple cycle (I did run HCGen on cycle) and was thinking if I ran another Sarms cycle (minus S4) I might try something different.
Something like DAA or PhytoSerm or Unleashed (along with HC Gen)? Or would this be pointless and/or uneffective during the 8 week cycle?
Thanks Bro - great info as per usual
Did you have bloodwork done that showed this??
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tha_Waco_kid
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Yes, here's the bloodwork and the recent thread posted about it - this blood was taken 8 weeks after cycle end, and 4 weeks after mini pct end (unleashed/PC/Bridge):
Total test: 203
LH: 1.7
FSH: 3.9
Prolactin: 3.9
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/got-bloodwork-back-low-test-1011893.html
PS - I'm 32 years old
Yes, here's the bloodwork and the recent thread posted about it - this blood was taken 8 weeks after cycle end, and 4 weeks after mini pct end (unleashed/PC/Bridge):
Total test: 203
LH: 1.7
FSH: 3.9
Prolactin: 3.9
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/got-bloodwork-back-low-test-1011893.html
PS - I'm 32 years old
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did you run an aas cycle before the sarms cycle?
did you run an aas cycle before the sarms cycle?
tha_Waco_kid
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Nope - havnt touched it in many years (10 years approx)
Did you get blood work before the cycle?
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tha_Waco_kid
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Nope, did not - so it is possible that I was low going in...this makes more sense to me since I didn't think a Sarms run would hit me that hard in the T dept.
If it was low going in, I'm not sure what would have caused it...I will be interested to see what the doc says about it, perhaps I have something else causing it. Or, it could be the S4/Osta.....maybe i'm over sensitive to it, I know certain chems affect some folks differently than others.
Nope, did not - so it is possible that I was low going in...this makes more sense to me since I didn't think a Sarms run would hit me that hard in the T dept.
If it was low going in, I'm not sure what would have caused it...I will be interested to see what the doc says about it, perhaps I have something else causing it. Or, it could be the S4/Osta.....maybe i'm over sensitive to it, I know certain chems affect some folks differently than others.
Its impossible to say but my guess would be you were already suppressed going in man... Sarms would definitely not supress you that much especially running hcgenerate alongside
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Fabiandemoraes
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I'am kinda curious, i've been reading different ostarine logs and some people run a PCT and others don't. I know you recommend PCT's, but risks do suppression have? And are there any other risks you run from not having a proper PCT.
I'am kinda curious, i've been reading different ostarine logs and some people run a PCT and others don't. I know you recommend PCT's, but risks do suppression have? And are there any other risks you run from not having a proper PCT.
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Hey Dylan, is it true GW-50 has effects on tumors and cancer cells... Or something along those lines?
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anytime you don't run a proper pct you are only hurting yourself... you are running the risk of damaging your hpta and definitely prolonging a proper recovery... you are also going to lose your gains without a proper pct...
anytime you don't run a proper pct you are only hurting yourself... you are running the risk of damaging your hpta and definitely prolonging a proper recovery... you are also going to lose your gains without a proper pct...
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it only has an effect if you already have cancer or tumors... it can cause them to grow but if you don't already have them then there is nothing to worry about... i would not use it if you have them...
it only has an effect if you already have cancer or tumors... it can cause them to grow but if you don't already have them then there is nothing to worry about... i would not use it if you have them...
Howellbfit
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Hey Dylan, how many bottles of osta should I pick up for an 8week run @ 12.5 mg daily?
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Guys,
Im a cyclist starting my off season. I will start lifting, combined with the bike until february.
Can anyone tell me if i should run GW for the off season, and how long? Or should i just wait until i start the season to start running it?
What would be a goo dose for a cyclist to increase endurance an strength?
What time of the day is best to take it?
Will this test positive?
How many weeks can i run it for? How long should i stop before starting back on it?
Im a cyclist starting my off season. I will start lifting, combined with the bike until february.
Can anyone tell me if i should run GW for the off season, and how long? Or should i just wait until i start the season to start running it?
What would be a goo dose for a cyclist to increase endurance an strength?
What time of the day is best to take it?
Will this test positive?
How many weeks can i run it for? How long should i stop before starting back on it?
Howellbfit
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Thanks for clarifying this 
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run it during your season.. 12 weeks... 10-20 mg day... you split the doses... once in the a.m. and once again twelve hours later... stop 4 weeks and then you can run it again...
run it during your season.. 12 weeks... 10-20 mg day... you split the doses... once in the a.m. and once again twelve hours later... stop 4 weeks and then you can run it again...
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you can definitely run it... its not necessary but it wont hurt... just keep the dose low...
you can definitely run it... its not necessary but it wont hurt... just keep the dose low...
Thanks, I don't but didn't want to grow any new ones lol
Fabiandemoraes
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Iam currently running an 8 week cycle of Ostarine at 25mg, planning to run GW for 6 weeks. I'll be going in the army after this cycle can GW and Osta, can it be detected in regular drug testing done by the army, I know the Olympic committee have a test for it, but do you know if the army has access to it. They usually run urine test. As far as I know, information on the web is limited wondering if you knew any thing about it.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
Phishtribe
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Any clue to when unique will get osta back?
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you will be fine on a urine test
you will be fine on a urine test
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not sure when osta will be back in stock yet... this has been addressed SEVERAL times... i have no clue, they have not informed any of us...
not sure when osta will be back in stock yet... this has been addressed SEVERAL times... i have no clue, they have not informed any of us...
Phishtribe
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Sorry wasn't trying to bother. I had seen it addressed before but had high hopes of some new news. I'm a broke college boy and those prices r a little heavy on the wallet.
As soon as its in stock i will let everyone know
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Hi there. Looking for some advice on supplementing with SARMS/PEPTIDES/GW. Used to exclusively lift with moderate cardio, but I have now changed focus and have gotten into running marathons. Ran my first marathon a month ago with a time of 3:34. Am now training for my second in March 2013 and looking to Boston qualify with a time of 3:09 (7:13/mile pace). I am 38 years old, 173lbs, 5'9". I Run 6 days/week and lift three days. Looking to run and hammer everyday and get down to 160lbs to achieve my marathon goal. Any suggestions on a stack to help? Have never used SARMS. Thanks so much.
Hi there. Looking for some advice on supplementing with SARMS/PEPTIDES/GW. Used to exclusively lift with moderate cardio, but I have now changed focus and have gotten into running marathons. Ran my first marathon a month ago with a time of 3:34. Am now training for my second in March 2013 and looking to Boston qualify with a time of 3:09 (7:13/mile pace). I am 38 years old, 173lbs, 5'9". I Run 6 days/week and lift three days. Looking to run and hammer everyday and get down to 160lbs to achieve my marathon goal. Any suggestions on a stack to help? Have never used SARMS. Thanks so much.
For your goals i would run gw, aicar and albuterol
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yes... i would also add ostarine and albuterol... osta at 25 mg day and albuterol at 12-18 mg day...
yes... i would also add ostarine and albuterol... osta at 25 mg day and albuterol at 12-18 mg day...
I am how can I help you buddy?
Whats up man! Thanks for the quick reply! Its nothing urgent, i ordered some GW 50 on nov 8, and im in FL. Do you know if they send tracking or when should i get it? My rats really Whats up man! Thanks for the quick reply! Its nothing urgent, i ordered some GW 50 on nov 8, and im in FL. Do you know if they send tracking pr when should i get it? My rats really want to give it a trywant to give it a try
Not a problem! It usually only takes a few days bro. If you want, I can do some checking on it for you and let you know what I find out.
PM RickRock13 or myself with your order # and shipping info and we can both find out what's going on.
PM RickRock13 or myself with your order # and shipping info and we can both find out what's going on.
AAS.Achilles
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Yeah I kinda screwed up for the past two weeks. I finished my 8 week cycle on the 30th of oct. for some reason I just fell into a deep depression about a week before I finished.
I don't think it was the sarms just life and stress closing in on me. It's been about 2 weeks since I last worked out and I never started my post cycle. I'm gonna start my pct today just trying to pull myself out of this slump. Will i be having Any negative effects from wait to do my pct for so long? I know it was a stupid thing to do but I just felt like crap.
I don't think it was the sarms just life and stress closing in on me. It's been about 2 weeks since I last worked out and I never started my post cycle. I'm gonna start my pct today just trying to pull myself out of this slump. Will i be having Any negative effects from wait to do my pct for so long? I know it was a stupid thing to do but I just felt like crap.
madmad_andrew
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Can SARMS Ostarine be run together with clomid as a PCT? I'm coming off 10 weeks of a testosterone-e only cycle.
Can SARMS Ostarine be run together with clomid as a PCT? I'm coming off 10 weeks of a testosterone-e only cycle.
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dude, u need to start ur pct ASAP, u dont need to be working out to restore ur natural test production..
..snap out of it and get back in the gym bro, its a shame to lose all ur gains from cycle just coz some of some stress..
dude, u need to start ur pct ASAP, u dont need to be working out to restore ur natural test production..
..snap out of it and get back in the gym bro, its a shame to lose all ur gains from cycle just coz some of some stress..
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YES!! ..but u might wanna add more to ur pct than just clomid and osta
YES!! ..but u might wanna add more to ur pct than just clomid and osta
madmad_andrew
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lifestylelifter
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About to start pct ordered clomid/post cycle / DAA. Was wondering how to take clomid since I've never used it? Liquid.
My cycle was jacked up ; but finishing with test e 500 wk and anavar 40ed
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My cycle was jacked up ; but finishing with test e 500 wk and anavar 40ed
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thats my pct layout there bro... that's what needs to be ran... you definitely need more than just clomid... pct is the most important part of your cycle...
thats my pct layout there bro... that's what needs to be ran... you definitely need more than just clomid... pct is the most important part of your cycle...
txboyswole
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Hey Dylan I was wondering which SARMs would best fit me.
21
6'0
208lbs
15-17%bf
Cycle history: just finished first cycle of test e @500mg/wk
Goal: to cut down to around 10% and maintain as much muscle as possible.
I know diet is everything but if I can get some extra help I'd like to
21
6'0
208lbs
15-17%bf
Cycle history: just finished first cycle of test e @500mg/wk
Goal: to cut down to around 10% and maintain as much muscle as possible.
I know diet is everything but if I can get some extra help I'd like to
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why are you running things at such a young age? its not wise at all...
would do osta, s4 and gw
why are you running things at such a young age? its not wise at all...
would do osta, s4 and gw
GiantsFan77
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D can u recommend a mild stack of sarms wanna gain some lean mass, no bloat. Just wanna feel good mentally and gain strength also! Nothing crazy...basic shit. Thx bro
I have unleashed and hcgen on hand also....thx
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I have unleashed and hcgen on hand also....thx
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Liquid is liquid...personally I wouldn't risk it
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bro, in the future, please do not bump in the thread... it is very unnecessary and adds clutter to this thread that is not needed... your question wasn't even posted half a day man... i get to EVERY question that is asked on here... as far as taking it on the plane, i would not... with checked bags, they are fine... i had 10 bottles in my checked bags on my flight a 2 weeks ago and i had a note that tsa went through my bags and they were still in there with no problem...
bro, in the future, please do not bump in the thread... it is very unnecessary and adds clutter to this thread that is not needed... your question wasn't even posted half a day man... i get to EVERY question that is asked on here... as far as taking it on the plane, i would not... with checked bags, they are fine... i had 10 bottles in my checked bags on my flight a 2 weeks ago and i had a note that tsa went through my bags and they were still in there with no problem...
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sarms do not bloat so that is not a worry unless you eat like shit... then you have no business running them anyway...
if you want super mild then run osta and gw... if you want the best results, run s4 as well...
sarms do not bloat so that is not a worry unless you eat like shit... then you have no business running them anyway...
if you want super mild then run osta and gw... if you want the best results, run s4 as well...
madmad_andrew
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Anyone experienced heartburn while using Ostarine? What to do about it...?
GiantsFan77
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Thanks can u just give me dosages for an eight week run and should I run hcgen while on the run? Thx bro.
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It could have something to do with your diet... Or possibly a pre workout drink? Just take tums or rolaids man
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1-8 ostarine 25mg dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day split dosed... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-8 gw 10-20 mg day... split doses... first dose in the a.m. and second dose 12 hours later
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate
mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
1-8 ostarine 25mg dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day split dosed... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-8 gw 10-20 mg day... split doses... first dose in the a.m. and second dose 12 hours later
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day
1-8 HCGenerate
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate
mini PCT
9-11 Unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
madmad_andrew
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It has to be the ostarine or the clomid or the combination thereof. I've just introduced those two things into my system and nothing else changed. I'm getting heartburn without taking any pre-workout drink and my diet hasn't changed. I've only taken the ostarine three days now but every time I'm getting heartburn consistently through the day.
Yes, Tums fixes it for an hour or so, but I don't want to carry around Tums everywhere I go for the next 6 weeks!
Some other guys have been experiencing heartburn on (steroid dot com). Unfortunately I can't post the link.
Still wondering whats up.
It has to be the ostarine or the clomid or the combination thereof. I've just introduced those two things into my system and nothing else changed. I'm getting heartburn without taking any pre-workout drink and my diet hasn't changed. I've only taken the ostarine three days now but every time I'm getting heartburn consistently through the day.
Yes, Tums fixes it for an hour or so, but I don't want to carry around Tums everywhere I go for the next 6 weeks!
Some other guys have been experiencing heartburn on (steroid dot com). Unfortunately I can't post the link.
Still wondering whats up.
magman1
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Dylan...wrapped up a standard 10wk cycle (test,mast,var) and pct Oct 1. Next cycle starts feb 1.
I just started my first SARMS 'cycle' this weekend, will run for 8 weeks.
My question is can I add dermacrine to the SARMS? Run those for 8 weeks, have a 2 week pct of bridge/unleashed and then jump into my cycle? Or would that shut me down too much during my time off in which I am trying to get my system to normalize.
Thanks bro
Dylan...wrapped up a standard 10wk cycle (test,mast,var) and pct Oct 1. Next cycle starts feb 1.
I just started my first SARMS 'cycle' this weekend, will run for 8 weeks.
My question is can I add dermacrine to the SARMS? Run those for 8 weeks, have a 2 week pct of bridge/unleashed and then jump into my cycle? Or would that shut me down too much during my time off in which I am trying to get my system to normalize.
Thanks bro
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its not even in the same class... ostarine is so much stronger... its not a fair comparison... you will get a lot more strength, lean muscle and just an overall energetic and excellent feeling... its not even comparable...
its not even in the same class... ostarine is so much stronger... its not a fair comparison... you will get a lot more strength, lean muscle and just an overall energetic and excellent feeling... its not even comparable...
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bro if you add dermacrine its like your never coming off cycle... you cannot add it in here and you really wouldn't want to anyway... leave it as it is...
bro if you add dermacrine its like your never coming off cycle... you cannot add it in here and you really wouldn't want to anyway... leave it as it is...
AAS.Achilles
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Been feeling much better since I started my pct and got back in the gym. The bridged really does a hell of a job giving you that on cycle feeling. SARMS really does give you that feeling of well being while using, I can't wait to run another cycle sometime.
madmad_andrew
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So the heartburn thing was not the Ostarine ... it's the clomid. Known, common side effect of clomid.
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nothing makes me feel as good as sarms do bro... they are fucking great!
nothing makes me feel as good as sarms do bro... they are fucking great!
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ostarine 12.5 mg day and gw 10-20 mg day for 8 weeks
ostarine 12.5 mg day and gw 10-20 mg day for 8 weeks
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keep in a dry place... room temperature... do not tip over... a good year...
keep in a dry place... room temperature... do not tip over... a good year...
Far more effective.... Osta 25 mg day... S4 50 mg day... Gw 10 - 20 mg day
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sarms can be run with aas on any cycle but they are best utilized as a bridge in between cycles...
sarms can be run with aas on any cycle but they are best utilized as a bridge in between cycles...
bikeracer2012
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Kudos to this thread. Looking forward to feedback. My training time during this part of my cycling season is considered base time: includes about 3 hours daily on the saddle of low intensity cardio. Looking to lose my off season weight(175 right now), stay healthy, strong, preserving muscle before intensifying training.
35 yo male, 5'10, 175 now but need to be at 165, much better 160.
Would like to run gw 50156 and ostarine cycle together. Suggested for my goals? Also, any drop in Test is certainly not preferred in my sport so what is reco to run with it along side.
35 yo male, 5'10, 175 now but need to be at 165, much better 160.
Would like to run gw 50156 and ostarine cycle together. Suggested for my goals? Also, any drop in Test is certainly not preferred in my sport so what is reco to run with it along side.
Phishtribe
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What's recommendations on a cutting cycle with sarms. Or should say a body recomp cycle. Looking at using s4 and osta as well as the n2 shred stack. Should I use together or shred before the sarms. Also would epi be a good addition? If so how should it be ran.
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1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 gw 10 mg day split doses... 5 mg in the a.m. and 5 mg twelve hours later
1-8 hcgenerate
3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day
mini pct
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 gw 10 mg day split doses... 5 mg in the a.m. and 5 mg twelve hours later
1-8 hcgenerate
3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day
mini pct
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
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no need to run epi with them... save them as a bridge in between cycles...
you can run the shred stack with them if you want...
1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day split doses... 25 mg in the a.m .and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-8 gw 10 mg day split doses... 5 mg in the a.m. and 5 mg twelve hours later
1-8 hcgenerate
3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate
mini pct
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
no need to run epi with them... save them as a bridge in between cycles...
you can run the shred stack with them if you want...
1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day split doses... 25 mg in the a.m .and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-8 gw 10 mg day split doses... 5 mg in the a.m. and 5 mg twelve hours later
1-8 hcgenerate
3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day
1-11 need2slin
1-11 creatine nitrate
mini pct
9-11 unleashed/post cycle combo
9-11 bridge (double dosed)
bikeracer2012
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Thank you. Why am I adding on Albuterol at weeks 3-8? Albuterol liquid or pill form. And should I not add in ketotifen?
Thank you. Why am I adding on Albuterol at weeks 3-8? Albuterol liquid or pill form. And should I not add in ketotifen?
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Phishtribe
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Thanks. Would transaderm be good to add as well?
King Leonidas
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Dylan where do you get your Creatine Nitrate?
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it will help your cardio and shred... you can take keto a few weeks with it but its really not necessary... you can get liquid or pill form...
it will help your cardio and shred... you can take keto a few weeks with it but its really not necessary... you can get liquid or pill form...
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just google SAN creatine nitrate and see who has it the cheapest...
just google SAN creatine nitrate and see who has it the cheapest...
bikeracer2012
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Thanks again Dylan. Will be starting end of week once gear shows. I'll try keep log of both. What is the point of running hcgenerate if the ost shouldn't cause suppression.
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osta causes slight suppression...
osta causes slight suppression...
elite7777
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Oh yea, I have some clomid that I thought I would use for a mini PCT, since Osta can be suppressive. How much and how long should I run clomid for?
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there is no need whatsoever to take clomid with it... you can start running osta again a week after you finish a mini pct... i guess if your going to run clomid then don't exceed 25 mg a day but its completely unnecessary on a sarms cycle unless you just abused the dosing...
there is no need whatsoever to take clomid with it... you can start running osta again a week after you finish a mini pct... i guess if your going to run clomid then don't exceed 25 mg a day but its completely unnecessary on a sarms cycle unless you just abused the dosing...
Trevorisking
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Are GWP SARMS comparable to sarmsearch and unique?
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their gw is great... i haven't used any of the others but their gw is definitely good...
their gw is great... i haven't used any of the others but their gw is definitely good...
elite7777
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+1 for GWP's GW. Good stuff bro!
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thats not a side at all and that dosage your taking is the biggest waste i have ever seen... that makes no sense whatsoever man... 12.5 is the lowest i would go but 25 mg day is the best way to dose it...
thats not a side at all and that dosage your taking is the biggest waste i have ever seen... that makes no sense whatsoever man... 12.5 is the lowest i would go but 25 mg day is the best way to dose it...
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What do you think about 50 mg/day, or 75 mg/day? A higher dose would obviously be more suppressive, but shouldn't the positive effects be stronger as well?
What do you think about 50 mg/day, or 75 mg/day? A higher dose would obviously be more suppressive, but shouldn't the positive effects be stronger as well?
He did specifically day 25 was best. More is not always better.
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