All insulin users....

[BionicBC]

For those with Insulin experience... I want to use for the first time and I believe i have it planned out pretty good, tell me what you think...
5'10"
200lbs
8% b/f
3 or 4 cycles under my belt

Want to use insulin, gh, t3 as a bridge between cycles. How does this plan sound:

GH-1.5iu whan I awake
Another 1.5iu post workout

T3-12.5mcg per day

Slin-Start @ 5iu post workout and work up to, say, no more than 12 or 14iu.
Followed by Carb/Protein (70g carbs/40g protein) Drink.

My main question, I ususally work out around 6:00 or 7:30 and finish around 7:30. If I do my slin shot immediately following workout, will that be too late in the day considering I go to bed about 11 or 11:30 every night? That would give me about 4 hrs in my system before I go to sleep.
If anyone with experience can offer some advice on what foods to lean towards/what foods to avoid AFTER taking slin shot, that would help, thanks you. K for answers.
Bionic

 

[Outtlaw]

What type of slin will you be using? The purpose of slin is to allow you to shuttle a shitload of carbs into the muscle, so that's what you should eat. Im guessing you're concerned about fat gain from this. That all has to do with timing everything right with how the slin works.

 

[BionicBC]

What type of slin will you be using? The purpose of slin is to allow you to shuttle a shitload of carbs into the muscle, so that's what you should eat. Im guessing you're concerned about fat gain from this. That all has to do with timing everything right with how the slin works.

Whatsup bro, where ya been?
Im gonna be using Humulin-R, thats one of the faster acting insulins out there, right?
Bionic

 

[Outtlaw]

I've been traveling. Humalog is actually the fastest. I forget how long humalin-R last, but I think you should be fine if you have 4hrs after the shot before you go to sleep.

 

[BionicBC]

I've been traveling. Humalog is actually the fastest. I forget how long humalin-R last, but I think you should be fine if you have 4hrs after the shot before you go to sleep.

Well I am definately concerned about the potential fat gain, you daid thats all in how you time your eating... according to my schedule, what do you suggest bro?
Bionic

 

[slat1]

Are you taking GH while cycling too? If its one or the other take it with AAS!

 

[BionicBC]

Are you taking GH while cycling too? If its one or the other take it with AAS!

Im going to begin the Gh here in a couple of weeks, and run the slin 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, with the low-dose T3, up until April, when I begin my next cycle, which is:
TrenAce/Masteron Blend- 100mg each eod
TestProp 100mg eod
Winny 50mg ed
This will be ran for 8 weeks, and I will continue with the GH & T3 during this cycle, but drop the slin because this is essentially a lean mass/cutter cycle.
Bionic

 

[Paulo]

Humulin-R is the fastest available insulin, OTC. Peaks somewhere around 30-45 minutes after injection. Humalog and Lispro are about 2-3x as fast. But, you either has to get them prescribed or get them through the black market.

From the sounds of things, you're already pretty jacked. How far are you trying to go?

 

[The Shadow]

IMO

T-3

Clen

DNP especially




....all work better than HGH for fat loss

 

[Paulo]

^ plus its like .000000004% of the price, lol

 

[BionicBC]

Humulin-R is the fastest available insulin, OTC. Peaks somewhere around 30-45 minutes after injection. Humalog and Lispro are about 2-3x as fast. But, you either has to get them prescribed or get them through the black market.

From the sounds of things, you're already pretty jacked. How far are you trying to go?

My physique is okay, ill give it that, but I want more, for sure. Im not into competing, per-se, (YET! j/k) But Id like to be at the same b/f im at, but with a weight of 215.... Thats another 16lbs, to be exact (weight this morning=199lbs) That next cycle I described would be over by the beginning of June. Im thinking I might be able to get close to that goal by then, with the plan ive got-what do you think?
Bionic

 

[Outtlaw]

Well I am definately concerned about the potential fat gain, you daid thats all in how you time your eating... according to my schedule, what do you suggest bro?
Bionic

If you’re worried, just try to control your overall carb intake. Don’t take to much carbs during the day, and then load up when you take the slin. If you do it right it should all go right into the muscle.

 

[BionicBC]

Do the dosagees i listed sound about right for my stats? Im probably gonna move the Gh up to 4ius after a month or so, but the slin is what im confused/worried about. Just want to have my bases covered.
Bionic

 

[yomama]

I started with 12iu humilin R, now I upped it to 20iu with 80g of carbs seems to be enough. Unless I'm wrong, and it's diff for others, seems like 4g of carb per unit is enough. I read it was 15-20 which seems like way too much.

 

[c17]

i heard it was like 10-20gs per iu too. i also heard your suppose to drink a carb drink every hour you have it in you which is like 4 hrs from when you first shoot it

 

[Outtlaw]

When I go over 18iu I start to shut down my own insulin production (which I dont want to do). Now I normally wont go over 10iu anymore.

 

[yomama]

When I go over 18iu I start to shut down my own insulin production (which I dont want to do). Now I normally wont go over 10iu anymore.

And how do you know you're shutting down your pancreas? Do you have any idea even how much insulin it releases into the blood following sugar?? No. And neither do I.

Six grams, 10 g or even 15 g of sugar may be needed to release 1 unit of insulin

I took 20IU today and 60g of carbs this time. That's like 3g IU. Seems like enough.

 

[BionicBC]

If you’re worried, just try to control your overall carb intake. Don’t take to much carbs during the day, and then load up when you take the slin. If you do it right it should all go right into the muscle.

So you consider 10iu's a good ceiling to goto if you dont want to inhibit one's natural insulin production?
Bionic

 

[ste_m]

how ever much slin you use, make sure you have 10 grams of carbs per iu of slin. and always keep a sugered drink or choccy bar with you as back up. if your worried about fat, eat clean and add cardio a few times a week. the t3 will help keep you lean but i thought it worked better with aas. t3 puts a big strain on your protien requirements

 

[Outtlaw]

And how do you know you're shutting down your pancreas? Do you have any idea even how much insulin it releases into the blood following sugar?? No. And neither do I.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. If I took 20iu and then even after my next meal wasnt getting good sugar uptake or started to get that hypo feeling, then obviously my body slowed production of insulin or started to become resistant to it in response to my slin supplementation.

 

[Outtlaw]

So you consider 10iu's a good ceiling to goto if you dont want to inhibit one's natural insulin production?
Bionic

I'd say 10-15iu is a good ceiling for most. But you could push it if you want to. It's probably an individual thing. Test it out and see what works for you. For me I can do 18iu at a time with no problem. You might be able to do 20-25iu.

 

[idcbp]

Outlaws numbers are pretty much dead on. Although, I used to go up in the 18-20iu range, but then I had a bunch of bros warning me down, which I tried. The thing is that I never found there to be much risk provided that you double check you measurements and always have you carbs accounted for. That said, 18+ was never much of an issue, but I've found that I get almost the same results from 8-10ius. I hit them during my last sets or immediately post-workout. The key thing I've found is locating the ideal carb count to prevent hyp while not adding bodyfat. For me, AND I STRESS this is for me, its alot lower than what I've seen. I'm 220 and I consume about 50g sugar via cranberry juice and then 60-70g whey prot. I'll get my slow carbs and food prot. in the first real meal about 45 minutes post workout. This has really lead to great results for me. I think 8-15ius is gonna be the range for most, but the key is finding the ideal carb/prot.. When you do slin is as effective as any form of gear save high dosage andros. Very anabolic and really not dangerous if used with focus and respect.

 

[yomama]

Outlaws numbers are pretty much dead on. Although, I used to go up in the 18-20iu range, but then I had a bunch of bros warning me down, which I tried. The thing is that I never found there to be much risk provided that you double check you measurements and always have you carbs accounted for. That said, 18+ was never much of an issue, but I've found that I get almost the same results from 8-10ius. I hit them during my last sets or immediately post-workout. The key thing I've found is locating the ideal carb count to prevent hyp while not adding bodyfat. For me, AND I STRESS this is for me, its alot lower than what I've seen. I'm 220 and I consume about 50g sugar via cranberry juice and then 60-70g whey prot. I'll get my slow carbs and food prot. in the first real meal about 45 minutes post workout. This has really lead to great results for me. I think 8-15ius is gonna be the range for most, but the key is finding the ideal carb/prot.. When you do slin is as effective as any form of gear save high dosage andros. Very anabolic and really not dangerous if used with focus and respect.

Have you ever done more than that?

 

[silverbackn]

I'm a little hypoglycemic, I'm afraid to use insulin I might end up in a pine box. It sucks.

 

[idcbp]

I'm a little hypoglycemic, I'm afraid to use insulin I might end up in a pine box. It sucks.

I never want to down play a concern like that bro, cuz I feel ya, but there are ways to go about it in a mega-safe manner. Afterall, it is a numbers game plain and simple. You could start with something low like 4-6ius postworkout and hit 100g of carbs. You probably won't notice a response. With each subsequent workout, up the dose 1iu til you get to 8-10 which is a good muscle building postworkout shot. Now if you start to get any hypo signs, and at 100g fast carbs I doubt it, you can stop and move back down. I'll bet you'll get to 10 and still not notice any negative response. Then I'd advice lowering the carb intake 10g per workout. When you get a response you know you're going to low and up it 10g. (you could throw down an extra 30 at the time to feel safe). This will allow you to safely locate your ideal dose and carbs in a safe manner. If done in these gradual steps starting with a ridiculously safe cushion you don't risk any problems, as even when you approach limits and get slight symptoms they will be mild and you'll b e prepared to quickly counter them. As a competitor, you are used to regiments and focus and thats all slin takes to be safe and effective.

 

[majutsu]

Well thought out post idcb. k for you.
Very good thread, too.

 

[silverbackn]

I never want to down play a concern like that bro, cuz I feel ya, but there are ways to go about it in a mega-safe manner. Afterall, it is a numbers game plain and simple. You could start with something low like 4-6ius postworkout and hit 100g of carbs. You probably won't notice a response. With each subsequent workout, up the dose 1iu til you get to 8-10 which is a good muscle building postworkout shot. Now if you start to get any hypo signs, and at 100g fast carbs I doubt it, you can stop and move back down. I'll bet you'll get to 10 and still not notice any negative response. Then I'd advice lowering the carb intake 10g per workout. When you get a response you know you're going to low and up it 10g. (you could throw down an extra 30 at the time to feel safe). This will allow you to safely locate your ideal dose and carbs in a safe manner. If done in these gradual steps starting with a ridiculously safe cushion you don't risk any problems, as even when you approach limits and get slight symptoms they will be mild and you'll b e prepared to quickly counter them. As a competitor, you are used to regiments and focus and thats all slin takes to be safe and effective.

I would like to give this a try. Great post by the way!!!!!!! I will let you know how it works out for me. I appreciate the effort and thought you put into that post. You're the man!!!!!!!!

 

[smaller]

I think going by WOM for slin use is extremely dangerous as it's misuse is not nearly as forgiving as AAS misuse can sometimes be.

I would suggest doing some serious research - look at research yourself then ask questions - before using it.

An slin forum would be good idea.