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I am going to tell you how to run an effective S4/Osta SARM run!

Fist off, what are you trying to accomplish, what effects are you after with SARM?

First off is SARM S4:
-Androgenic at any dose
-Mildly Anabolic at doses above 50mg
-Great for strength
-Great for muscle hardness
-Great for enhanced vascularity
-Great for endurance (aerobic or anaerobic)
-Accelerated fat loss above 50mg
-Joint soothing/healing effects
-Half life is 2-4 hours (multiple doses per day is optimal)
-Better if used on a 5on 2off approach to reduce or diminish sides even at above average doses

Sides:
-Yellow tint (person dependent, but usually starts around 75mg and up)
-Loss of night vision (person dependent, but usually starts around 75mg and up)
-Gene transcription (no known gene transcription effects to be reported yet, but the possibility is there tha you could be permanently messed up)
-Possible mild suppression at 60mg and above (person dependent)

Ostarine SARM:
-Lean mass gains (doses as low as 5mg to cause muscle growth)
-Accelerated fat loss (much moreso than S4 and at doses as low as 5mg ED)
-Joint soothing/healing effects
-Half life is 24 hours (one dose per day optimal)
-Can go up to 50mg ED with no known side effects
-Full looking muscle all day long

NO KNOWN SIDES
NO SHUTDOWN


Now that you know a little bit about the two SARMs out now out of multiple SARMs to come, you can decide on whether you want to bulk, recomp or cut!

On a bulk or recomp I personally would use Osta over S4.
On a cut I would recommend S4 as it has muscle sparring effects. You will retain/increase strength and you will be hard and vascular.

Can I use in PCT??
In-fact, why not stack the two?
Why not do a bridge?
Can you?
YES!

I am bridging my SARMs for PCT:
Osta:15/15/15/15/15/15/15
S4:0/0/0/0/50/50/50/50/50/50

That is my general layout now for my PCT!
You can modify, change your dosing and do whatever you want with the compound!

Is a SARM as good as general AAS?
NO

Is a SARM better than any natty product?
YES

A SARM has its palce in the BB/fitness world, and although it is not as good as AAS, comes in close behind!!!


I may update the above whenever I see fit or find out new info, or if I forgot anything!

If any of you guys have any questions, feel free to ask!
 
im doing my 2nd cycle consisting of dbol/test/deca and starting week 2 today. PCT will be HCGenerate, Unleashed Psot Cycle combo and ihave arim, nolva and clomid as well. Will be using 200/250 iu's from week 3-10. Why would i use a sarm at any point in this set up or after and why??? I'm just starting to learn about these and wanna learn more. Thanks
 
JBEXT81 said:
im doing my 2nd cycle consisting of dbol/test/deca and starting week 2 today. PCT will be HCGenerate, Unleashed Psot Cycle combo and ihave arim, nolva and clomid as well. Will be using 200/250 iu's from week 3-10. Why would i use a sarm at any point in this set up or after and why??? I'm just starting to learn about these and wanna learn more. Thanks
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A SARM would be a great tool to use during PCT, a bridge, pre cycle..

I wouldnt use it on cycle though.
If you add to PCT, it will be almost certain that you will keep most if not all your gains. :)
 
what would u recommend and in what dosages and why?
 
JBEXT81 said:
what would u recommend and in what dosages and why?
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For PCT:

OSta:12.5-25mg ED
S4:25-50mg ED 5 on and 2 off


WHy?
You will keep your gains.
 
how many weeks for each and only 1 time?
 
doing more and more research on this stuff. Seems to be the real deal, very exciting just costly
 
Gamer2Be08 said:
For PCT:

OSta:12.5-25mg ED
S4:25-50mg ED 5 on and 2 off


WHy?
You will keep your gains.
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I just got my S4 and OSTA order today in Australia (Fuck Yeah!), I am going to be using gel caps as the ingestion method to avoid the reportably terrible taste. Do you think it would be OK to put both the S4 and OSTA in the same cap, or should I use seperate caps. Also, what type/size plunger do you use for dosing?
Can't wait to get on this shit!
 
I use the syringe it comes with.
You could put in the same cap. Just you would have to injest fast or the caps may dissolve over time.
 
so far tow of our Female mods ran it ,the results were not the same as in men ,no muscle volume however fat loss were there
 
veneto82 said:
what about if its used as a pre pct, ie for 4 weeks after cessation of test injections, then start your pct?
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You coiuld do that, but I would also recommend using it in PCT as well.
 
third time saying this: y nt have a peptide board and w/ these SARMS getting so much more attention - y not a sticky??? ;)
 
Excellent post!

And very true about the description of both SARMs except I did not know about the gene transcription with the S4.
 
Northface1979 said:
I just got my S4 and OSTA order today in Australia (Fuck Yeah!), I am going to be using gel caps as the ingestion method to avoid the reportably terrible taste. Do you think it would be OK to put both the S4 and OSTA in the same cap, or should I use seperate caps. Also, what type/size plunger do you use for dosing?
Can't wait to get on this shit!
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Taste is not an issue, I chase it down with my coffee in the morning, no biggie and you also get used to it.
 
chase it down with a citrus drink. Orange juice works well for me. In a pinch, just suck on an ice cube to wash it down. Capping it seems like a lot of effort. I got used to it after a few days anway.
 
Gamer2Be08 said:
I am going to tell you how to run an effective S4/Osta SARM run!

Fist off, what are you trying to accomplish, what effects are you after with SARM?

First off is SARM S4:
-Androgenic at any dose
-Mildly Anabolic at doses above 50mg
-Great for strength
-Great for muscle hardness
-Great for enhanced vascularity
-Great for endurance (aerobic or anaerobic)
-Accelerated fat loss above 50mg
-Joint soothing/healing effects
-Half life is 2-4 hours (multiple doses per day is optimal)
-Better if used on a 5on 2off approach to reduce or diminish sides even at above average doses

Sides:
-Yellow tint (person dependent, but usually starts around 75mg and up)
-Loss of night vision (person dependent, but usually starts around 75mg and up)
-Gene transcription (no known gene transcription effects to be reported yet, but the possibility is there tha you could be permanently messed up)
-Possible mild suppression at 60mg and above (person dependent)

Ostarine SARM:
-Lean mass gains (doses as low as 5mg to cause muscle growth)
-Accelerated fat loss (much moreso than S4 and at doses as low as 5mg ED)
-Joint soothing/healing effects
-Half life is 24 hours (one dose per day optimal)
-Can go up to 50mg ED with no known side effects
-Full looking muscle all day long

NO KNOWN SIDES
NO SHUTDOWN


Now that you know a little bit about the two SARMs out now out of multiple SARMs to come, you can decide on whether you want to bulk, recomp or cut!

On a bulk or recomp I personally would use Osta over S4.
On a cut I would recommend S4 as it has muscle sparring effects. You will retain/increase strength and you will be hard and vascular.

Can I use in PCT??
In-fact, why not stack the two?
Why not do a bridge?
Can you?
YES!

I am bridging my SARMs for PCT:
Osta:15/15/15/15/15/15/15
S4:0/0/0/0/50/50/50/50/50/50

That is my general layout now for my PCT!
You can modify, change your dosing and do whatever you want with the compound!

Is a SARM as good as general AAS?
NO

Is a SARM better than any natty product?
YES

A SARM has its palce in the BB/fitness world, and although it is not as good as AAS, comes in close behind!!!


I may update the above whenever I see fit or find out new info, or if I forgot anything!

If any of you guys have any questions, feel free to ask!
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AMAZING post... quote worthy and quote-able ANYTIME!

It's odd... but I've never actually thought to myself that SARMs could be considered a natural product, but it does beg to be discussed. Actually, that unlocks and unleashes an entire Pandora's Box of stimulating talk.

Great post Gamer! Thanks :)
 
Osta-sarm not only help preserve muscle, increase lean mass, strength, endurance but also is proving to be an excellent fat burner especially abdominal fat!

One could say you can truly build muscle while losing body fat with Osta-sarm.
 
Is it true that ostarine comparable to testosterone as how anabolic it is? Maybe 50mg/day osta = 500mg/wk test cyp?
 
mryar said:
Is it true that ostarine comparable to testosterone as how anabolic it is? Maybe 50mg/day osta = 500mg/wk test cyp?
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I don't think Osta would be as anabolic as test. But I have been on Osta for five weeks@25mg/d and S4@50mg/d for a week(will be upping that to 75 this week) training partner has been on sust/eq@500/400 a week for six weeks and strength increases have more or less been the same
 
at(almost)ANYcost said:
SARMSSEARCH (SARMS) seems to be the only destination with enough feedback and a following of many members to put your faith in for purchasing. The ONLY focus on SARMS, so they don't get lost in trying to keep up with other raws or research chemicals. I have received two orders from them so far, both packaged very well, and both extremely fast.
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Wow, thanks. Thats damn expensive! Injectible's right?
 
Quick question...

I've been looking through all the data/info on SARMs, and the one thing I haven't seen any good tips/consensus on (unless my search-fu is week!) is dose timing/amounts.

It seems that Osta is a once-a-day, but when is best? Does it depend on work-out vs non work-out days?

I've seen recommendations for S-4 to be divided doses at higher daily amounts, but not a lot on time of day? If you are staying low dose, does that change the time of day?

Thanks for any info/help! SARMs seem to be a truly impressive development.

Dave
 
As chemwiz said Osta once a day half life is nearly 24 hours I take it in the morning
S4 half life is 4 hours I take 50mg 2 hours b4 trainin
Some people split the dose,if I go over 50mg vision sides kick in. And I do 5 days on 2 off
 
firetruck said:
As chemwiz said Osta once a day half life is nearly 24 hours I take it in the morning
S4 half life is 4 hours I take 50mg 2 hours b4 trainin
Some people split the dose,if I go over 50mg vision sides kick in. And I do 5 days on 2 off
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Im with Firetruck, I like the 5 day 2 off protocal.
 
firetruck said:
As chemwiz said Osta once a day half life is nearly 24 hours I take it in the morning
S4 half life is 4 hours I take 50mg 2 hours b4 trainin
Some people split the dose,if I go over 50mg vision sides kick in. And I do 5 days on 2 off
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Great post!! Very informative, and I like the dosing protocol you suggested. Interesting how you take your entire daily amount of S4 prior to training, rather than splitting it up.
 
Thanks for the replies on dosing/times!

Now a storage question :)

I get the impression that SARMs need to be refrigerated? If this is the case, what would be the damage if it were taken out for a few hours? I travel quite a bit for work, and would have to take it with me on the road- West Coast to East Coast trips, so at least 4.5 hour flights, airport transit times, etc...

Thoughts/Suggestions?

Thanks!

Dave
 
I know im going back to the original post - but this part got me worried: "Gene transcription (no known gene transcription effects to be reported yet, but the possibility is there tha you could be permanently messed up)"

can anyone expand on this? sounds like a fucked up side to me. this stuff has been around for a year or so now, so has anyone experienced any of these or new sides?
 
at(almost)ANYcost said:
I'm not sure if this was directed at anyone specific or just a general question, but allow me to offer my guidance: YES, eight weeks is optimal for your first and subsequent cycle(s) of Sarms Search goodies.
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Anyone who has experience really.

I'm planning my first cycle and I want to do Osta sarms from sarms search at 12.5mg ed for 8 weeks. I read that you should do 5 on 2 off to avoid sides or is that only with S4 ?
 
Artigo said:
Anyone who has experience really.

I'm planning my first cycle and I want to do Osta sarms from sarms search at 12.5mg ed for 8 weeks. I read that you should do 5 on 2 off to avoid sides or is that only with S4 ?
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Only for S4 bro, OSTA has no known sides.

And honestly, and this goes for everyone, sides are completely person dependent. I ran my SARMS cycle for 8 weeks at 50 mg per day in one dose without taking days off and I did not receive any side effects except for minor ones on the very last few days. However, you will see guys posting in my logs saying that they received sides at 40 mg-, and Gamer here in this great thread has said 75 mg+ is when sides normally occur......

It really is all body dependent and there is no way for you to know what a safe dose is for you without trying it. (and by the way, I had a short lived hypothesis that it was dependent on body weight or composition, but that has nothing to do with it.)

Here is my S4 log if anyone needs a first hand experience: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/liffalots-sarms-s4-log-740071.html

I know this thread says that S4 is more for cutting and OSTA is more for bulking, but it has been my experience that the SARMS are pretty all purpose.....I ran a lean bulk with S4 and gained between 8 and 10 pounds (solid too, didn't lose any afterwards.)
Figure there could be some useful info in there...

And Gamer, great thread bro!
 
liffalot said:
Only for S4 bro, OSTA has no known sides.

And honestly, and this goes for everyone, sides are completely person dependent. I ran my SARMS cycle for 8 weeks at 50 mg per day in one dose without taking days off and I did not receive any side effects except for minor ones on the very last few days. However, you will see guys posting in my logs saying that they received sides at 40 mg-, and Gamer here in this great thread has said 75 mg+ is when sides normally occur......

It really is all body dependent and there is no way for you to know what a safe dose is for you without trying it. (and by the way, I had a short lived hypothesis that it was dependent on body weight or composition, but that has nothing to do with it.)

Here is my S4 log if anyone needs a first hand experience: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-supplements/liffalots-sarms-s4-log-740071.html

I know this thread says that S4 is more for cutting and OSTA is more for bulking, but it has been my experience that the SARMS are pretty all purpose.....I ran a lean bulk with S4 and gained between 8 and 10 pounds (solid too, didn't lose any afterwards.)
Figure there could be some useful info in there...

And Gamer, great thread bro!
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This is a great SARMS thread.....Lots of good info.
 
Great info in this thread. I love both Ostarine and S-4. The only complaint I've had had to do with the manufacturer. Since I've switched to a reputable one (Sarmssearch), I've had nothing but good results. I think the stuff I used before was under-dosed.
 
RickRock13 said:
Great info in this thread. I love both Ostarine and S-4. The only complaint I've had had to do with the manufacturer. Since I've switched to a reputable one (Sarmssearch), I've had nothing but good results. I think the stuff I used before was under-dosed.
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I've never used anything but SARMSSEARCH (for my lab rats) and I never will until they give me a reason to.

Great product.......or so my rats tell me.
 
Just finishing up a 8 week cycle of osta and Anavar. I was running the Anavar at 50mg a day and osta at 15mg a day. Was just a practice run for a possible bridge. Felt the Anavar at first then noticed then didn't notice the hardness in my muscles when the osta began to kick in after a while I had slow strength gain and about 2 kilos of muscles over the 8 weeks. Gd recomp I dropped the osta about week six because I thought it may have been affecting the Anavar and days after felt like my strength went up and my muscles hardened again. Any one have an idea why this may be? My skin started to get bit oily but that went after I stopped. One gd thing I noticed is that it makes my joints less dry. I didn't use the board sponsors stuff. Not trying to bash the stuff here a gd tool for bridge or pct but I wouldn't go out and compare them to any AAS. Very mild in all aspects.
 
liffalot said:
I've never used anything but SARMSSEARCH (for my lab rats) and I never will until they give me a reason to.

Great product.......or so my rats tell me.
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They tell me the same thing bro! :D

I'd never roll with anyone other than SS for my Osta
 
RickRock13 said:
My Rats love the Sarmssearch stuff too. They have been asking for more and I think they are going to try some SS S4 soon!
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I noticed in my rats that on S4 their weightroom energy and endurance was through the freakin roof.

They were staying in the gym for 2-3 hours of intense lifting and/or cardio.
 
2gain said:
Just finishing up a 8 week cycle of osta and Anavar. I was running the Anavar at 50mg a day and osta at 15mg a day. Was just a practice run for a possible bridge. Felt the Anavar at first then noticed then didn't notice the hardness in my muscles when the osta began to kick in after a while I had slow strength gain and about 2 kilos of muscles over the 8 weeks. Gd recomp I dropped the osta about week six because I thought it may have been affecting the Anavar and days after felt like my strength went up and my muscles hardened again. Any one have an idea why this may be? My skin started to get bit oily but that went after I stopped. One gd thing I noticed is that it makes my joints less dry. I didn't use the board sponsors stuff. Not trying to bash the stuff here a gd tool for bridge or pct but I wouldn't go out and compare them to any AAS. Very mild in all aspects.
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I don't think anyone here is seriously "comparing" the results you will see from a bodybuilding supplement to any form of AAS.......I think any comparison made is simply for reference point purposes.

On the surface it sounds like your problem is a classic inhibition case, but I have a few problems accepting that:

1. SARMS is not supposed to competitively or non-competitively inhibit the androgen receptor
2. Anvar has little to no androgenic effects, and so you really shouldnt see much increased effects from the SARMS (however, you still shouldnt see decreased effects)...

Since Anvar is 5-alpha reduced, SARMS would probably work better in amplifying effects of something able to convert to dihydro (just a theory of mine).
 
To whom it may concern,

If you ever want to sleep again, do not dose OSTA after 4 p.m.

Sincerely,
Me :eek2::eek2::eek2:
 
RickRock13 said:
I've got my SS Osta ready to put into PCT. Just started a cycle the other day, and I am planning on trying a bridge from the Osta to the S4 this time
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What are you running? Are you going to get blood work done afterward? Cause I thought you wouldn't want to run S4 during pct or after one due to the fact that it might cause suppression

Sent from my MB860
 
How long can SARMS be run for? Lets say you are on a 10 week cycle. Can you use the SARMS at week 5 and continue them throughout PCT and a little past them so it's maybe 12 weeks in full (5 weeks on cycle and 7 weeks post cycle)? Just wondering how to maximize gains and use of SARMS. Never used them before but the benefits seem to be great and it looks very exciting.

Also, how are SARMS and HGH together?
 
ConanX said:
How long can SARMS be run for? Lets say you are on a 10 week cycle. Can you use the SARMS at week 5 and continue them throughout PCT and a little past them so it's maybe 12 weeks in full (5 weeks on cycle and 7 weeks post cycle)? Just wondering how to maximize gains and use of SARMS. Never used them before but the benefits seem to be great and it looks very exciting.

Also, how are SARMS and HGH together?
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Its been my experience with SARMS that mid level doses for a 8-10 weeks or so works the best. So I would think that 12 weeks would be fine, especially if you lowered your dose a little bit.

I'm getting towards the end of my bottle and my pumps were so good in the gym today that I couldnt reach my ear to put my headphones back in when they fell out......:magilicut
 
Mr.Dedication said:
What are you running? Are you going to get blood work done afterward? Cause I thought you wouldn't want to run S4 during pct or after one due to the fact that it might cause suppression

Sent from my MB860
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You dont want to run S4 in PCT, because it is suppressive. That is when you are trying to recover the HPTA and not suppress it. Ostarine however fits very well in PCT.
 
RickRock13 said:
You dont want to run S4 in PCT, because it is suppressive. That is when you are trying to recover the HPTA and not suppress it. Ostarine however fits very well in PCT.
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Thanks. I will order up some of this Ostarine for my PCT and see how it works. Should Ostarine be taken on the last 2 weeks of the cycle so that it kicks in right around when the AAS are wearing off?
How long can Ostarine be run for and after Ostarine, do you need any supps or it works like a natural supplement?
 
ConanX said:
Thanks. I will order up some of this Ostarine for my PCT and see how it works. Should Ostarine be taken on the last 2 weeks of the cycle so that it kicks in right around when the AAS are wearing off?
How long can Ostarine be run for and after Ostarine, do you need any supps or it works like a natural supplement?
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Some people do front load it at 25mg for the first week of PCT or even the last week of the cycle, but I actually opt for the opssosite. I'm a fan of starting the first week at a lower dose of around 6mg, and then tapering the dose up each week after that. I do that in case the Ostarine has any negative effect on the HPTA recovery. Its really up to the user how they want to run it, because how Ostarine effects recovery if at all, is still very debatable. Thats just what I do :)
 
RickRock13 said:
You dont want to run S4 in PCT, because it is suppressive. That is when you are trying to recover the HPTA and not suppress it. Ostarine however fits very well in PCT.
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I didn't notice any supression while on S4 or after S4, but you're right I have heard reports of people who have.
 
I wonder what would happen on super high dosages...if ran for like 6 weeks or so. Cause I know a guy that ran 30mg a day I think with really good results.
 
I'm sure if the cycle length were long enough and the dose was high enough you would see some suppression from Ostarine, but would still be minimal. You could PCT after a long high dosed run of it probably with just a test booster and possibly an AI.
 
I'm on TRT year long will I benefit from any of these two SARMS? How about adding it on a mild cycle like 400-500mg of test. I just have nor read anybody posting on the two together.:confused:
 
yeah if I was on trt and was proving my body with test I would stick with s4...s4 is freaking amazing. I like it much better than osta
 
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