Alarmingly fast weight GAIN on Helladrol!

[axismundi]

Um... so yeah... a little concerned...

I'd been losting 3-5lbs per week, steady, for the past 50ish days...

Friday I start need2slin and forged burner... 4a day and 2 a day respectively (half 6am half noon).

Saturday I add 75mg of helladrol a day, 25 am 50 post workout....

I weigh myself within the same hour, after having voided my bladder and bowels on Fridays, Sundays, and Tuesdays. My diet has been 700-800 calories a day UNDER my BMR for the past what 8 weeks, but I've been taking in twice the Protein, and heavy on the vitamins and minerals.

I have various kettlebell things I do every day, targeting specific things different days. I do 30-50 pushups a day. I do 30 fairly fast squats with kettlebells every day when I first wake up just to get my heart rate up... it's a great wake-your-ass-up thing.

Where I should have lost 1.5-3lbs Since Saturday, here it is Tuesday and I've GAINED 6.4lbs.... just to make sure it wasn't missing a bowel movement or something, I've stopped putting fluid and solids in me for the past 5 hours, and have been checking my weight after every trip to the bathroom... I'm still up 6lbs and change...

I'm not bloated, not puffy, if anything my skin is a bit more taught and my clothes aren't more snug than they were last week, and not noticeably more relaxed. WHAT THE FRACK IS GOING ON? No way in hell I put on 6lbs of muscle in 4 days... is there? I did finally take a much needed move up in weight on my kettlebell, and notice a slightly different taped size in muscle (but never measured before... I will be starting that though as soon as I have a second set of hands handy tonight so I can try to wrap my head around crap like this in the future)


All of the studies I can find on maximum muscle gain in humans... are all studies of professional athletes, olympians, and bodybuilders who in the way I reason... are going to gain muscle slower, as they are already near or at their genetic potential... so some schlub like me that is far from it (and comparing my body composition to the men in my gene pool a generation older, and 2 generations older... I seem scrawny as far as muscle compared to them)... am I eating in my sleep and don't know about it? Did I gain enough muscle, and then water content in the muscle, in 5 days to equate to 6lbs, did aliens put a 6lb implant in me?


So what do you think it is? Is a 6lb gain over all the major muscle groups is possible to grossly under challenged muscles in a 5 day period with an abundance of Protein and the assist of the helladrol? Or do I have something wrong with me that I might need to stop this cycle of the helladroll, need2slin, and forged burner and see if one of them is causing something in my body that added 6lbs in 5 days.

 

[C.K.]

if you have to ask this you simply aren't ready for steroids...

 

[axismundi]

if you have to ask this you simply aren't ready for steroids...

Thank you but that's not what I asked.

I'm trying to determine if something is medically wrong with me/having a reaction to the helladrol. There are no studies, at least that you can easily find on google, that show the human potential of adding muscle on someone that's not already in peak physical condition. Only on individuals that weight train for a LIVING... while they show 5-15lbs gain in a year to be impressive... you take a wet noodle of a kid, run him through an armed forces basic for 8-16 weeks and he comes out the other end with 5-15lbs of muscle gain from body-weight only, with less than ideal nutrition... I'm simply asking if those with more experience than I think I should be concerned and stop the cycle, since I gained 6lbs instead of losing 1-3 that I have every week prior to it for some time. If you don't have anything constructive or relevant to my questions, I kindly ask you to take your advice somewhere else.

 

[jimmyhav]

No disrespect, but what did you think would happen? I'm sure that you did your research and know that need2slin transports carbs into your muscles and makes them fuller, hence some weight gain. And C.K. has been around a bit and was probably not out of line by saying what he said, as this is straight off the site:

Helladrol is not for everyone. Its an extremely powerful product designed only for the most advanced users. This product is only for the experienced and seasoned vets. Users who are ready to take it to the next level in there quest for rock hard muscle and super strength.

The Strength and muscle gains that come from a short cycle of helladrol have been known to leave most users nothing short of speechless. Gains with Helladrol are hard and lean because it does not aromatize to any type of estrogen.

Helladrol could possibly be the most powerful supplement ever created and as such can be effectively used for both cutting and bulking. Just 2-3 capsules a day is more then enough for even the most advanced users to see and feel its ultimate power.

Because Helladrol is so powerful we do not recommend using the product at a dose higher then 2-3 caps a day for more then 30 days at a time. Making sure to take at least a full 30-60 days off before cycling the product again. This means that 1 bottle of heladrol can be used for 3 full 30 day cycles of the product.

Helladrol commands respect and experienced users understand this. If you are not experienced, then this product is not for you.

That being said, yes you are going to weigh more...

 

[axismundi]

No disrespect, but what did you think would happen? I'm sure that you did your research and know that need2slin transports carbs into your muscles and makes them fuller, hence some weight gain. And C.K. has been around a bit and was probably not out of line by saying what he said, as this is straight off the site:



That being said, yes you are going to weigh more...

I expected something more along the lines of your answer or something like

"there is an intial weight gain sometimes noticed from your body adjusting to it and you retain a little water"

"the increase in blood pressure can cause some extra water retension"

"you could be retaining extra water along with a nominal gain in muscle"

"you could very well have noticed a nice gain in muscle combined with water gain"

"you could be holding extra water, creatine, etc in the muscle along with some gain"


I figured my weight might stay the same, or increase slightly... I wasn't expecting a 6lb gain in 5 days when I'm used to losing half that in the time frame... and seeing as how I've never taken this combination of supplements, and never taken anything along the lines of helladrol, I assumed those with personal experience with said or similar supplements would provide worthwhile quality input that one almost always gets when dealing with such subjects on this site, not a week attempt at flaming for having a question with something one lack's first-hand knowledge of.

 

[C.K.]

yeah sorry if I came off rude but you forgot to post stats and you kinda sound like a 16 year old in all your posts lol

 

[gymjunkie09]

Um... so yeah... a little concerned...

I'd been losting 3-5lbs per week, steady, for the past 50ish days...

Friday I start need2slin and forged burner... 4a day and 2 a day respectively (half 6am half noon).

Saturday I add 75mg of helladrol a day, 25 am 50 post workout....

I weigh myself within the same hour, after having voided my bladder and bowels on Fridays, Sundays, and Tuesdays. My diet has been 700-800 calories a day UNDER my BMR for the past what 8 weeks, but I've been taking in twice the Protein, and heavy on the vitamins and minerals.

I have various kettlebell things I do every day, targeting specific things different days. I do 30-50 pushups a day. I do 30 fairly fast squats with kettlebells every day when I first wake up just to get my heart rate up... it's a great wake-your-ass-up thing.

Where I should have lost 1.5-3lbs Since Saturday, here it is Tuesday and I've GAINED 6.4lbs.... just to make sure it wasn't missing a bowel movement or something, I've stopped putting fluid and solids in me for the past 5 hours, and have been checking my weight after every trip to the bathroom... I'm still up 6lbs and change...

I'm not bloated, not puffy, if anything my skin is a bit more taught and my clothes aren't more snug than they were last week, and not noticeably more relaxed. WHAT THE FRACK IS GOING ON? No way in hell I put on 6lbs of muscle in 4 days... is there? I did finally take a much needed move up in weight on my kettlebell, and notice a slightly different taped size in muscle (but never measured before... I will be starting that though as soon as I have a second set of hands handy tonight so I can try to wrap my head around crap like this in the future)


All of the studies I can find on maximum muscle gain in humans... are all studies of professional athletes, olympians, and bodybuilders who in the way I reason... are going to gain muscle slower, as they are already near or at their genetic potential... so some schlub like me that is far from it (and comparing my body composition to the men in my gene pool a generation older, and 2 generations older... I seem scrawny as far as muscle compared to them)... am I eating in my sleep and don't know about it? Did I gain enough muscle, and then water content in the muscle, in 5 days to equate to 6lbs, did aliens put a 6lb implant in me?


So what do you think it is? Is a 6lb gain over all the major muscle groups is possible to grossly under challenged muscles in a 5 day period with an abundance of Protein and the assist of the helladrol? Or do I have something wrong with me that I might need to stop this cycle of the helladroll, need2slin, and forged burner and see if one of them is causing something in my body that added 6lbs in 5 days.

don't worry its the n2slin, don't worry about the scale watch the mirror....did u ever sort your diet out?

 

[axismundi]

yeah sorry if I came off rude but you forgot to post stats and you kinda sound like a 16 year old in all your posts lol

Take some need2slin, forged burner, and caffeine and see if you can keep a coherent thought longer than a sentence

 

[jimmyhav]

OK then:

I've used all of the supplements that you are talking about and yes I too gained quite a bit of weight, size and strength on them. It eased up after the initial gain, around 15 pounds in the first 7-10 days. Most of it was due to my muscles holding water and being carb-full, allowing me incredible workouts with unbelievable recoveries. Remember that you don't get strong and actually build muscle while working out, but during your recovery. Did you gain 6 pounds of muscle? Absolutely not. But carried in your muscles you now have everything that they need to recover and grow, after tearing them down in the gym. So, if while on cycle you work out like a beast, eat right, get your rest and plenty of water, you can accelerate your overall muscle gain. You will drop a lot of that excess weight when you get off cycle, so don't think that just because you have it now it will stay. You won't really know how much muscle you've gained (and will keep) until you come off.

I expected something more along the lines of your answer or something like

"there is an intial weight gain sometimes noticed from your body adjusting to it and you retain a little water"

"the increase in blood pressure can cause some extra water retension"

"you could be retaining extra water along with a nominal gain in muscle"

"you could very well have noticed a nice gain in muscle combined with water gain"

"you could be holding extra water, creatine, etc in the muscle along with some gain"


I figured my weight might stay the same, or increase slightly... I wasn't expecting a 6lb gain in 5 days when I'm used to losing half that in the time frame... and seeing as how I've never taken this combination of supplements, and never taken anything along the lines of helladrol, I assumed those with personal experience with said or similar supplements would provide worthwhile quality input that one almost always gets when dealing with such subjects on this site, not a week attempt at flaming for having a question with something one lack's first-hand knowledge of.

 

[axismundi]

don't worry its the n2slin, don't worry about the scale watch the mirror....did u ever sort your diet out?

Still a work in progress but greatly improved... dug out the foreman, been having 93% lean burger patties, chicken breast, etc at dinner instead of lean cuisine meat... eating the burger on whole grain rolls, ditched the breakfast protein powder and lean pocket/smart ones for the same protein powder and 2 slices whole grain bread with the a tbsp of the power butter and some home-made apple butter... was going to switch my 2 at work meals from protein bars to the Better Protein Bars ones this check but didn't feel like messing with them... as far as getting some plants in the diet, tried to get some broccoli down on two different occasions, neither was very pleasant and a bit messy but I'm trying.

 

[CoBra666]

Where I should have lost 1.5-3lbs Since Saturday, here it is Tuesday and I've GAINED 6.4lbs.... just to make sure it wasn't missing a bowel movement or something, I've stopped putting fluid and solids in me for the past 5 hours, and have been checking my weight after every trip to the bathroom...

6 pounds from one butt baby. that would be impressive. the biggest ive clocked in at was 2.2 pounds

 

[gymjunkie09]

Still a work in progress but greatly improved... dug out the foreman, been having 93% lean burger patties, chicken breast, etc at dinner instead of lean cuisine meat... eating the burger on whole grain rolls, ditched the breakfast protein powder and lean pocket/smart ones for the same protein powder and 2 slices whole grain bread with the a tbsp of the power butter and some home-made apple butter... was going to switch my 2 at work meals from protein bars to the Better Protein Bars ones this check but didn't feel like messing with them... as far as getting some plants in the diet, tried to get some broccoli down on two different occasions, neither was very pleasant and a bit messy but I'm trying.

nice, just keep working on it adjusting to eating things you normally wouldn't takes time. For now keep your meats lean and carbs whole grain and that's still an improvement

 

[axismundi]

 

[mryar]

Usually when I can't pinpoint a single reason, its probably a summation of everything. I'm guessing a little muscle, a little water, a little extra food still in you... I read somewhere people have 5-15lbs of food in their digestive tract. It takes me about 18-24 hours from eat to shit (based on when I eat corn) Though you did say you're eating few calories and did everything to eliminate water entering into the equation. That's my guess, food/water + some muscle growth. Use the old logic, "when you've eliminated everything that's not possible, whatever is remaining, however unlikely, must be the answer."

Do you notice a difference in appearance?

 

[axismundi]

I think it's just the normal need2slin weight gain

 

[stevesmi]

post your height, weight, age, bf%, past cycles, and how much hella you are taking. this would greatly help. without knowing this its hard to really give you any guidance here.

 

[axismundi]

^^^ we already determined the cause. Need2slin causes an initial weight gain

 

[stevesmi]

^^ still would like to know your stats and goals

also I recommend posting some before and after pics as a reference.

I think you are taking too much hella for a first cycle. I wouldn't do more then 2 caps per day. I don't even take beastdrol more then 20mg a day. drol's are strong and should be respected.

 

[axismundi]

I had a whole thread on the cycle before I even bought anything. 2 actually one about 1st cycle then the second on helladrol once I opted to go with it

 

[stevesmi]

^^ gotcha.

I missed that thread but I just read the thread, I would go with the cycle but keep in mind your transformation may be a dissapointment based on your stats you listed before. I would rather of seen you continue to cut like you were doing and drop your weight closer to 200. I know you said you were 290 at one time and came from an unhealthy family, and at your height 230 is still just too damn high. bf% is probably in the 20's. need to drop it more especially someone who has very little experience in the weight room and little muscle on their frame.

then that is the route I would of recommend you take. once you get ur bf% down in the low teens then this cycle would of been fantastic.

and then I would hit hella probably 2 caps per day to start.. if things go well you can always up it to 75 and see how you react to it.

choosing to run AAS now and trying to cut at the same time with other products is gonna jack up your bp and it could lead to some issues. also i read on your profile you smoke and drink. its time to change up your lifestyle if you are gonna be serious here. alcohol is gonna make it so much more harder to lose weight. and smoking is gonna make it harder to get intense workouts, you need ur lungs functioning as well as possible. not trying to nit pick but sometimes people don't understand how important LIFESTYLE changes can be. your body as a whole will look so much better.

good luck and keep up the good work.

 

[axismundi]

I have a few bowls of tobacco or the cigar equivalent a week and have had less than 4 pints this year including new years so those aren't big issues

 

[stevesmi]

okay cool.. well I also read your diet on that thread and bro it needs a lot of work. I will tell you what.. if you are really serious about changing your lifestyle PM me and I will put you on a proper and nutritious diet.

I know those guys like zed on that thread were trying to do it but you didn't want to hear that "healthy choice" was just a brand name and in reality their products are full of sodium and crap. or that those protein bars you were taking are just candy bars with different style wrappers. or that applebees country fried steak is not good for you even though you see ads on tv for it. I love food also, but there are little tweaks that can be done to eat better.

most people who try to change the way they look fail, that is the facts. I see noobs at the gym show up for a week or two then dissapear. but the regulars are there day in and day out. so you need to make a decision which route you want to go right here and right now.. step 1 is fixing your diet.. step 2 is setting u up on a regular regime .. then much later on you can worry about jumping on AAS.

 

[stevesmi]

this is what you put down as your 'cutting' diet on your thread. you need to totally trash this entire diet away and start from fresh. I see only processed junk and restaurant food here. pretty much the standard American cookie cutter diet in rural america. which is why rural america is obese.
lets put it this way.. if it comes in a package or is from a restaurant then stay away. if it grows then eat it. in fact RADAR has an excellent write up on foods to eat. do yourself a favor and find it and read it.


Day 1

Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Healthy Choice - Beef Pot Roast W/ Gravy - Apple Cranberry Crisp - Roasted Potatoes - Carrots, 1 Meal 280 41 5 17
Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 3 1 24






Lunch Promax - German Chocolate Cake Energy Bar, 1 bar (75g) 280 38 6 20







Dinner Bob Evan's - Wrappers Smoked Sausage, 1 piece 390 34 21 16







Snacks Optimum Nutrition - Fudge Truffle Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 180 19 3 20






Day 2

Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 3 1 24
Weight Watchers Smart Ones - Breakfast Quesadilla- 4 Points, 1 piece (113g) 230 29 7 12






Lunch Promax - German Chocolate Cake Energy Bar, 1 bar (75g) 280 38 6 20







Dinner Applebee's - Asiago Peppercorn Steak Dinner W/New Potato and Steamed Vegitables, 7 oz steak AND sides 390 26 14 43







Snacks Optimum Nutrition - Peanut Butter Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 190 18 4 20






Day 3

Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Lean Pockets - Whole Grain Ham and Cheddar, 1 piece 270 39 8 11
Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 3 1 24






Lunch Promax - Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough, 1 bar 280 36 7 20






Dinner Marie Callender's - Country Fried Chicken & Gravy, 1 Meal 570 60 27 24






Snacks Optimum Nutrition - Fudge Truffle Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 180 19 3 20






Day 4

Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 3 1 24
Lean Pockets - Whole Grain Ham and Cheddar, 1 piece 270 39 8 11






Lunch Promax - Cookies & Cream Bar, 1 Bar 270 39 5 20






Dinner Marie Callender's - Country Fried Chicken & Gravy, 1 Meal

More dinner, 2 hours later
570 60 27 24
Healthy Choice - Beef Pot Roast W/ Gravy - Apple Cranberry Crisp - Roasted Potatoes - Carrots, 1 Meal 280 41 5 17






Snacks Optimum Nutrition - Fudge Truffle Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 180 19 3 20


Day 5
Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Now - Psyllium Husk Powder, 1 T (9g) 34 8 0 0
Lean Pockets - Whole Grain Ham and Cheddar, 1 piece 270 39 8 11
Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 3 1 24






Lunch Promax - German Chocolate Cake Energy Bar, 1 bar (75g) 280 38 6 20






Dinner Red Baron Singles - French Bread Pizza Three Meat, 1 Pizza 390 43 16 17


More dinner, 2 hours later
Healthy Choice - Beef Pot Roast W/ Gravy - Apple Cranberry Crisp - Roasted Potatoes - Carrots, 1 Meal 280 41 5 17






Snacks Optimum Nutrition - Peanut Butter Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 190 18 4 20

Day 6

Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 3 1 24






Lunch Promax - German Chocolate Cake Energy Bar, 1 bar (75g) 280 38 6 20
Hormel Chili - With Beans, 1 cup 220 27 6 13






Dinner Bob Evan's - Wrappers Smoked Sausage, 1 piece 390 34 21 16
Healthy Choice - Beef Pot Roast W/ Gravy - Apple Cranberry Crisp - Roasted Potatoes - Carrots, 1 Meal 280 41 5 17

Snacks Optimum Nutrition - Peanut Butter Protein Diet Bar, 50 grams 190 18 4 20


Day 7

Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Bob Evan's - Wrappers Smoked Sausage, 1 piece 390 34 21 16
Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard 100% Whey Protein - Strawberry Banana, 1 rounded sccop (30g) 120 3 1 24






Lunch Promax - German Chocolate Cake Energy Bar, 1 bar (75g) 280 38 6 20






Dinner Marie Callender's - Country Fried Beef Steak (W/ Mashed Potatoes, Gravy & Glazed Carrots) - Microwave Meal, 1 Meal 550 54 29 18






Snacks Lean Pocket - Whole Grain Ham & Cheese , 1 pocket 270 39 8 12

 

[stevesmi]

^^^^^where are your fruits? where are your veggies? where are your complex carbs? good omega's?

count up all the sodium you are putting in ur body on that diet. you would be shocked.

you said you cannot afford to eat healthier food.. that is BS. eating out every night at chain restaurants.. eating gut food is cheap? I can put you on a diet that isn't expensive at all and is very healthy.

 

[axismundi]

^^^^^where are your fruits? where are your veggies? where are your complex carbs? good omega's?

count up all the sodium you are putting in ur body on that diet. you would be shocked.

you said you cannot afford to eat healthier food.. that is BS. eating out every night at chain restaurants.. eating gut food is cheap? I can put you on a diet that isn't expensive at all and is very healthy.

I address the plant thing in that thread and one I posted in diet section that got 0 replies.

 

[stevesmi]

okay so you don't like the way veggies taste. well guess what? when you are addicted to restaurant gut food thats understandable.. its time to just deal with it.. give it some time, eventually you will grow to love veggies. If i ate the stuff you listed above I would throw up. those protein bars are probably the worst thing of all.. they have corn syrup and hydrogenated oils. 2 of the worst thing you could possibly put in ur body.

if you want to lose weight you gotta do it man. otherwise you will just be fat forever. no pill is gonna help you here.

 

[axismundi]

It's not taste, go read what I wrote... the bulk of plants literally trigger my gag reflex, quite violently.

I can't eat what I can't keep down.

 

[axismundi]

And I've lost over 140 pounds... So I'm doing something right

 

[hurricane]

u need a bodyfat % done throughout. to answer this ..nobody can answer this correctly for sure unless we know for sure what kind of weight u are gaining.. sounds like u arent even sure