ai question.

[HUDSON-UK]

iv just started my first cycle and when i say just started i had my first shot of deca y/day. i have went with
deca 200mg week 1-10
test enanthate 500mg week 1-10
winstrol 50mg e/d week 9-13
pct hcg, nolva natural test boosters (zma and TT)
i have everything listed hear but what ai would people reccomend for this cycle? and reasons why would be helpfull.
Thanks.

 

[P01NTBL4NK]

drop the novla get letro or arimidex or aromasin

 

[big greg 82]

for your first cycle you shouldnt be running three compounds bro, but since you got it already and are gonna do it anyway i would up the deca to 400mg.

test 500mg 1-10
deca 400mg 1-10
winstrol 50mg ed 6-10

run aromsain at 20mg ed or aifm.

pct i would do clomid, aromsain or aifm and hcg.

 

[HUDSON-UK]

for your first cycle you shouldnt be running three compounds bro, but since you got it already and are gonna do it anyway i would up the deca to 400mg.

test 500mg 1-10
deca 400mg 1-10
winstrol 50mg ed 6-10

run aromsain at 20mg ed or aifm.

pct i would do clomid, aromsain or aifm and hcg.

why up the deca?
should use an ai through out the cycle or start it if i need it?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

why up the deca?
should use an ai through out the cycle or start it if i need it?

200mg is low end, though if you up it you are bringing your T/N closer to 1:1 and generally 2:1 is reccomended.

perhaps 600T/300D

generally reccomend from the start (at least a low dose), though some wait until bloating or even until they have gyno symptoms (not reccomended)

 

[HUDSON-UK]

ok, im goin to use aifm, and use it through out, should i ad nolva with this or use it on its own?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

use it throughout . do not use nolva with deca or after it.

for PCT
50mg clomid ed for 2-3 weeks
low dose AIFM

 

[Primordial Performance]

use it throughout . do not use nolva with deca or after it.

for PCT
50mg clomid ed for 2-3 weeks
low dose AIFM

Macro,

I wonder, why suggest the clomid over the nolva?

BTW, wouldnt you say Dermacrine is superior for PCT?

-Pp

 

[macrophage69alpha]

because nolva is not established for pct, but more importantly because nolva upregulates the PgR.

and no. so stop asking.

 

[Primordial Performance]

because nolva is not established for pct, but more importantly because nolva upregulates the PgR.

and no. so stop asking.

Macro,

lets play fair now.

AIFM is a fine AI during cycle, but not a panacea.

As we’ve discussed before, the AI’s in dermacrine are much better suited for PCT due to there enhancement of fertility, and positive modulation of the HTPA, without causing unpredictable over-suppression of estrogen.

Our main AI, resveratrol, has even shown some interesting SERM like activity.

Effects of long-term treatment with resveratrol and subcutaneous and oral estradiol administration on pituitary function in rats
Martina Böttner, Julie Christoffel, Hubertus Jarry, and Wolfgang Wuttke
J. Endocrinol., Apr 2006; 189: 77 - 88.

trans-Resveratrol, a Natural Antioxidant from Grapes, Increases Sperm Output in Healthy Rats
M. Emília Juan, Eulalia González-Pons, Thais Munuera, Joan Ballester, Joan E. Rodríguez-Gil, and Joana M. Planas
J. Nutr., Apr 2005; 135: 757 - 760.

-Pp

 

[macrophage69alpha]

1. never said AIFM was a panacea
2. disagree, low dose steroidal AI's including Aromasin/exemestane and AIFM will not result in over suppression of estrogen.
3. agree that reseveratrol does have SERM activity as do all phytoestrogens, however it has not been shown what impact that SERM activity has in humans or that such SERM activity has a positive impact on HPGA (it certainly may).
4. dont see any issue with using dermacrine in PCT--WITH-- clomid, but reccomending it alone is not warranted at this time. Whether its as effective as aromasin or AIFM + clomid remains to be seen. and that is most certainly being "fair".

 

[HUDSON-UK]

use it throughout . do not use nolva with deca or after it.

for PCT
50mg clomid ed for 2-3 weeks
low dose AIFM

thanks bro.

 

[needtogetaas]

1. never said AIFM was a panacea
2. disagree, low dose steroidal AI's including Aromasin/exemestane and AIFM will not result in over suppression of estrogen.
3. agree that reseveratrol does have SERM activity as do all phytoestrogens, however it has not been shown what impact that SERM activity has in humans or that such SERM activity has a positive impact on HPGA (it certainly may).
4. dont see any issue with using dermacrine in PCT--WITH-- clomid, but reccomending it alone is not warranted at this time. Whether its as effective as aromasin or AIFM + clomid remains to be seen. and that is most certainly being "fair".

nicely said

 

[HUDSON-UK]

So im on day 19 of cycle not much to say in part of gains yet, but my nips are lookin puffy and i dont think its just paranoia but i can feel a lump under my right nip, i dont know if this is a flare up of pubecent gyno that has went unnoticed. im goin to up the dose of aifm, do you think i should add clomid with this or anything else?

thanks.

 

[odoyal rulez]

6 sprays aifm...you have other shit on hand tho right in case?

 

[HUDSON-UK]

6 sprays aifm...you have other shit on hand tho right in case?

i have clomid and nolva, from advice not going to use the nolva but aifm is the only ai i have. I have a really good, realiable source so if i need anything else i can get it pretty much strate away as he supplies a shit load of people in my town, he has most stuff on hand. Any sugestions for other stuff i need for this problem?

Thanks.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

winstrol might help

though likely what you need is a dopaminergic. cabergoline or bromcriptine. In the absence of that macuna pruriens (velvet bean) is an herbal that may help. contains l-dopa

 

[Ralkoh]

You should extent your cycle out to 12 weeks......


Peace

 

[macrophage69alpha]

You should extent your cycle out to 12 weeks......


Peace

not a bad idea, or even longer.

 

[Ralkoh]

Macro I was actually going to say 14 weeks but you know how some people are this site are So I kept it down a little...

Peace

 

[HUDSON-UK]

Any reasons? Would you extend the test and deca another few weeks?

thanks.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

extend the test and the possibly the winstrol

 

[HUDSON-UK]

ok cheers i think i will do, i was feeling that a ten weeker will be too short, i have had 3 shots of each, fourth deca on friday, so it seems like its goin quickly.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

ok cheers i think i will do, i was feeling that a ten weeker will be too short, i have had 3 shots of each, fourth deca on friday, so it seems like its goin quickly.

the "on" generally seems to go quickly (when all is good), generally will find the "off" seems like time has become slow dripping molassass

 

[D_Mac]

ok cheers i think i will do, i was feeling that a ten weeker will be too short, i have had 3 shots of each, fourth deca on friday, so it seems like its goin quickly.

I would suggest a shorter cycle to get a feel for it, but then I think I did my first at around 12 weeks so...

a couple pieces of advice on that though so you can learn from my mistakes.

Your body will not be used to the strength increases you will be getting, so make sure you really take care of the joints and ease into the heavier wieghts and take some joint supps, just cause you can pump the 120 dumbells doesn't mean you should do a set of 10 right off...

Also I would consider taking some of that HCG mid cycle to keep from getting the testes totally shut down. If you are using the hcg as PCT thats fine, it's a technique that many people like and it does what it does, but I would take some mid cycle to keep the testes working. Just think if you didn't lift weights for 12-14 weeks and then tried to get your bench back. Sure the testes aren't a muscle some mid cycle HCG can't hurt and will keep them working.