Agree/Disagree?

[redguru]

Because membership in an organization like the KKK was not explicitly forbidden I have to agree with the court's decision. However, if I was the Sheriff, I would be pushing through some new rules to prevent this behaviour in the future. I would also hold this officer to a higher standard, and he'd be on the fast track out of my department. Via this man's writings he has shown he cannot do his job effectively. He is to protect and serve all the constituents, not only those of his skin color or creed.

 

[boss_]

Lol, what an ignorant thing to say. I work in public service as well and it has only made me more empathetic towards those that might be considered to recieve the blunt of racism or a bias. A weak person would allow a specific subculture to evoke hate or resentment and a weak person would also use their occupation as an excuse to think less of another. Your frame of thinking only makes thing worse.

Awwwww...isn't that sweet. Put some fucking time in, in the ghetto, then get back to me. (You gotta get out of the shopping centers, too). We'll see how fucking empathetic you are, douchebag. I'll let the "weak" comments slide, since this is the internet and everyone's a badass online.

Judging by the soft-tones and beating around the bush that goes on here, I'd be suprised if half of you work out, much less whip ass.

People harbor racism. It's a fucking fact. Live with it. Noone is above it. Everybody does it. ESPECIALLY law enforcement who work in all-black areas and know the real deal. The black officers are racist too---towards the black community in general. Deny it, Spin it, color it fucking pink or whatever the hell you fucking pussies do around here, but them there's the facts.

And to the "former" lawyers and the dipshits that blindly side with them, the statements this officer made online are not racist statements and cannot be construed as such. Everyone in the world is aware of the racial division that exists, and the "walking on eggshells" approach that most people adhere to because of it. This officer's statements did not incite violence, and are therefore protected.

The KKK and the NAACP are equally dead, worthless, and ineffective. However they never fail to stir up the ignorant masses who don't know any better.

 

[pdaddy]

Awwwww...isn't that sweet. Put some fucking time in, in the ghetto, then get back to me. (You gotta get out of the shopping centers, too). We'll see how fucking empathetic you are, douchebag. I'll let the "weak" comments slide, since this is the internet and everyone's a badass online.

Judging by the soft-tones and beating around the bush that goes on here, I'd be suprised if half of you work out, much less whip ass.

People harbor racism. It's a fucking fact. Live with it. Noone is above it. Everybody does it. ESPECIALLY law enforcement who work in all-black areas and know the real deal. The black officers are racist too---towards the black community in general. Deny it, Spin it, color it fucking pink or whatever the hell you fucking pussies do around here, but them there's the facts.

And to the "former" lawyers and the dipshits that blindly side with them, the statements this officer made online are not racist statements and cannot be construed as such. Everyone in the world is aware of the racial division that exists, and the "walking on eggshells" approach that most people adhere to because of it. This officer's statements did not incite violence, and are therefore protected.

The KKK and the NAACP are equally dead, worthless, and ineffective. However they never fail to stir up the ignorant masses who don't know any better.

lol, get over yourself. I work in the inner city douchbag. I'm sure there are many others on here that do as well...so fucking what? I don't harbour racism either you biggot fuck. Looks like your work environment manipulated an already weak perspective. LOL @ you interpreting weak as a physical attribute only; you have the thought process of a derelict.

I'm guessing you're a cop, the hard up egocentric powertrip kind that give the rest a bad name right?

Who are you anyways and why do you suck at life so bad?

 

[gjohnson5]

Bro

Your command of the facts is extremely flawed.

No credible source is even making the assertion you are with respect to domestic wire tapping.

Noone knows any facts on this issue because the President has not come clean with the program. I will call it a dragnet until more evidence saying it is not shows up. I am glad some phone companies denied Bush's request for phone records. He needs a warrant

 

[Phenom78]

Noone knows any facts on this issue because the President has not come clean with the program. I will call it a dragnet until more evidence saying it is not shows up. I am glad some phone companies denied Bush's request for phone records. He needs a warrant

I don't have proof you don't molest young boys, that doesn't represent a liberty to throw around the charge.

It's exactly that type of irresponsible discourse that makes fruitful discussions impossible lately

 

[gjohnson5]

I don't have proof you don't molest young boys, that doesn't represent a liberty to throw around the charge.

It's exactly that type of irresponsible discourse that makes fruitful discussions impossible lately

Personally I don't give a rat's ass what you think about me...
The president who may be up doing running an illegal dragnet is something else entirely

 

[cboogsrun]

"I fucking hate cops. They are crooked mother fuckers".

Now THAT is some funny shit. I guess blatant stereotyping is the order of the day.
What most people have failed to realize is that every human being holds some form of bias, based on real-life experiences. For this there is no "higher standard". So that's a bullshit statement. As far as black racist cops, etc. Here's the deal: MOST blacks are racist. So they should not be allowed to serve the public? Ridiculous. There's a big difference between someone's personal views and their ability to effectively perform public service. Do some take advantage of it? Certainly. But their track records will fuck them down the road.

I personally don't care for ghetto gangsta blacks or illegal mexicans. But in the heat of battle, I have laid my life on the line to save and protect them. So I can personally attest to the difference. Wanna hate people? Try a job in public service.

You can stereo type deez nuts if you'd like. There are thousands of cases where cops misuse their postion. I served all of the public when I was in the Army. So you can publicate deez nuts too if you'd like. For all of the screening processes to become a cop they sure do pick a bunch of dickweeds. Gangsta blacks? LOL! I believe the people you are referring to are there by circumstance not choice unlike a police officer. I can't say I wouldn't steal and sell drugs if I was in there same place. They are already accused before they've commited a crime so fuck it, mise well do it. Have you ever noticed why faggoty cops give tickets they know won't stick? they do this just to cause people grief, because the person didn't kiss the cops ass or had a bit of an attitude. I can personally attest to a judge tearing into a cop for such acts. IF you'd like me to go into furhter detail why most cops are human peices of shit I'd be much oblidged.

 

[redguru]

Personally I don't give a rat's ass what you think about me...
The president who may be up doing running an illegal dragnet is something else entirely

The point was you can't disprove a negative statement, logical thought 101.

 

[cboogsrun]

Most law enforcement people (at least the ones that I know) have to go through a battery of personality/psychological tests during the interview process in an effort weed out those candidates with character flaws. . .there is a certain amount of compassion, morality, etc. that is required by the job. . .I'm guessing this guy was subjected to similar tests and passed.

your right about the guessing thing. Maybe the guy knew someone who helped him get in. As hillbilly as it may sound, it happens. Guys get fast tracked because of who they know. I also don't think the issue at hand has anything to do with him being hired, it has to do with his capabiltiy to perform as a police officer. Being a racist would seriosly comprimise this guys ability to perform.

 

[Phenom78]

Personally I don't give a rat's ass what you think about me...
The president who may be up doing running an illegal dragnet is something else entirely

LOL

It was an absurd example to demonstrate how inane your point is maing. You can't assume guilt until you know otherwise. You have no basis upon which to make the assertions you do. Not even a credible charge.

 

[cboogsrun]

I don't have proof you don't molest young boys, that doesn't represent a liberty to throw around the charge.

It's exactly that type of irresponsible discourse that makes fruitful discussions impossible lately

one is slander or libel, the other doesn't break any civil laws. In fact its our duty as voters to sift through the bullshit. Remember the president works for us. If one of my employees was doing something I thought was wrong, I'd question it.

 

[cboogsrun]

Awwwww...isn't that sweet. Put some fucking time in, in the ghetto, then get back to me. (You gotta get out of the shopping centers, too). We'll see how fucking empathetic you are, douchebag. I'll let the "weak" comments slide, since this is the internet and everyone's a badass online.

Judging by the soft-tones and beating around the bush that goes on here, I'd be suprised if half of you work out, much less whip ass.

People harbor racism. It's a fucking fact. Live with it. Noone is above it. Everybody does it. ESPECIALLY law enforcement who work in all-black areas and know the real deal. The black officers are racist too---towards the black community in general. Deny it, Spin it, color it fucking pink or whatever the hell you fucking pussies do around here, but them there's the facts.

And to the "former" lawyers and the dipshits that blindly side with them, the statements this officer made online are not racist statements and cannot be construed as such. Everyone in the world is aware of the racial division that exists, and the "walking on eggshells" approach that most people adhere to because of it. This officer's statements did not incite violence, and are therefore protected.

The KKK and the NAACP are equally dead, worthless, and ineffective. However they never fail to stir up the ignorant masses who don't know any better.

So if you worked in an all white area you'd hate the shit out of some crackers huh? How many white people live where you work. HMMMM! Maybe thats why only black people are breaking the law fucktard. You should go be a pig in singapore so you can cane people, I bet you'd be happier, its legal for pussy cops to whip someone's ass over there for farting in public.

 

[Dial_tone]

See there, people! It's not that hard to make a serious thread that generates some lively discussion and spreads the EF hate.

 

[boss_]

heh heh. Yeah. Wait until one is in your living room, then cry to me about circumstances, honey. The ones who protest the loudest are the first to come cryin' all hysterical-like when the shit hits the fan. ("We don't call no po-po 'round here, umm hmmm", turns quickly into "sir, can you help my baby, sir, dey done shot him all up fo no reason...")

So you "had a bit of an attitude" and got a ticket? Well no shit, dumbass. Here's a tip: Don't expect discretion to swing in your favor if you're an ignorant prick. Most people understand this.

You have incredible logic. If you are already ACCUSED of a crime, you might as well COMMIT a crime???!! Where the fuck did you go to kindergarten? Harlem? Might as well claim 3 kids that aren't yours on your taxes, get all your shit paid for while the rest of us work, and drive around in a $40K SUV while you're at it, playa, 'cause dat's how YOU roll....

I can personally attest to locking up scores of self-described "thugs" for armed robbery, car-jacking, and auto theft. And yeah, it's fun to hear them cry in the backseat when they know that's their ass. Ever been a victim of violent crime? Every cop has his "pet peeves", those were mine. You should stop running into the ones who dislike smart-mouthed pieces of shit. You'll stop gettin' your little bottom spanked...

Go into as much detail as you wish. You'd also be obliged to carpe deez NUTS.

 

[cboogsrun]

heh heh. Yeah. Wait until one is in your living room, then cry to me about circumstances, honey. The ones who protest the loudest are the first to come cryin' all hysterical-like when the shit hits the fan. ("We don't call no po-po 'round here, umm hmmm", turns quickly into "sir, can you help my baby, sir, dey done shot him all up fo no reason...")

So you "had a bit of an attitude" and got a ticket? Well no shit, dumbass. Here's a tip: Don't expect discretion to swing in your favor if you're an ignorant prick. Most people understand this.

You have incredible logic. If you are already ACCUSED of a crime, you might as well COMMIT a crime???!! Where the fuck did you go to kindergarten? Harlem? Might as well claim 3 kids that aren't yours on your taxes, get all your shit paid for while the rest of us work, and drive around in a $40K SUV while you're at it, playa, 'cause dat's how YOU roll....

I can personally attest to locking up scores of self-described "thugs" for armed robbery, car-jacking, and auto theft. And yeah, it's fun to hear them cry in the backseat when they know that's their ass. Ever been a victim of violent crime? Every cop has his "pet peeves", those were mine. You should stop running into the ones who dislike smart-mouthed pieces of shit. You'll stop gettin' your little bottom spanked...

Go into as much detail as you wish. You'd also be obliged to carpe deez NUTS.

peice of repeatin shit(adam sandler line)! I've had 1 ticket in 7 years mijo. Tu madre es muy oleante miate! My rap sheet is as long as your dick queerbait! Unlike you, I understand circumstances. I can't empathize with these self proclaimed thugs, because I wasn't raised in the ghetto, but I bet they weren't born a piece of human garbage. It's the environment that makes them fucked up. Oh wait, your part of that environment. Mike Tyson said on of the most brilliant things I've ever heard. He said something to the effect that he's already won at life. He already superceded what he thought his life would amount to. Being a black man from catskill, raised in a horrid environment, he managed to make it past 25 years old, and anything past 25 was like winning the lottery. That is the mind set of a person raised in poverty and the ghetto. Much like the people you delicately described. If you thought today could be your day to go, what would you do if you never had a pot to piss in? I'd go have some fucking fun in a cadillac escalade and eat shit tons of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.

 

[cboogsrun]

heh heh. Yeah. Wait until one is in your living room, then cry to me about circumstances, honey. The ones who protest the loudest are the first to come cryin' all hysterical-like when the shit hits the fan. ("We don't call no po-po 'round here, umm hmmm", turns quickly into "sir, can you help my baby, sir, dey done shot him all up fo no reason...")

So you "had a bit of an attitude" and got a ticket? Well no shit, dumbass. Here's a tip: Don't expect discretion to swing in your favor if you're an ignorant prick. Most people understand this.

You have incredible logic. If you are already ACCUSED of a crime, you might as well COMMIT a crime???!! Where the fuck did you go to kindergarten? Harlem? Might as well claim 3 kids that aren't yours on your taxes, get all your shit paid for while the rest of us work, and drive around in a $40K SUV while you're at it, playa, 'cause dat's how YOU roll....

I can personally attest to locking up scores of self-described "thugs" for armed robbery, car-jacking, and auto theft. And yeah, it's fun to hear them cry in the backseat when they know that's their ass. Ever been a victim of violent crime? Every cop has his "pet peeves", those were mine. You should stop running into the ones who dislike smart-mouthed pieces of shit. You'll stop gettin' your little bottom spanked...

Go into as much detail as you wish. You'd also be obliged to carpe deez NUTS.

One what? Black person? There usually is one in my living room every night. LOL! She's pretty attractive too. Violent crime, hmmm. Been in my fair share of altercations. Someone once loosened all my lug nuts on one tire. I got jumped when I arrived at my duty station when I was in the army. Its kind of a hazing thing, to let you know keep your mouth shut. It works really well. I'm glad I don't live where your at.

 

[cboogsrun]

heh heh. Yeah. Wait until one is in your living room, then cry to me about circumstances, honey. The ones who protest the loudest are the first to come cryin' all hysterical-like when the shit hits the fan. ("We don't call no po-po 'round here, umm hmmm", turns quickly into "sir, can you help my baby, sir, dey done shot him all up fo no reason...")

So you "had a bit of an attitude" and got a ticket? Well no shit, dumbass. Here's a tip: Don't expect discretion to swing in your favor if you're an ignorant prick. Most people understand this.

You have incredible logic. If you are already ACCUSED of a crime, you might as well COMMIT a crime???!! Where the fuck did you go to kindergarten? Harlem? Might as well claim 3 kids that aren't yours on your taxes, get all your shit paid for while the rest of us work, and drive around in a $40K SUV while you're at it, playa, 'cause dat's how YOU roll....

I can personally attest to locking up scores of self-described "thugs" for armed robbery, car-jacking, and auto theft. And yeah, it's fun to hear them cry in the backseat when they know that's their ass. Ever been a victim of violent crime? Every cop has his "pet peeves", those were mine. You should stop running into the ones who dislike smart-mouthed pieces of shit. You'll stop gettin' your little bottom spanked...

Go into as much detail as you wish. You'd also be obliged to carpe deez NUTS.

Just remember one thing my silly friend. Your a civil servant who makes 30k a year? I'm not much into money type put downs. But seriously dude, cops walk around like they make 200k a year and their shit don't stink. You guys make shit for money and are some of the biggest lowlifes in the world. Civil fucking SERVANTS. I need some tea bitch, go fetch.

 

[Phenom78]

one is slander or libel, the other doesn't break any civil laws. In fact its our duty as voters to sift through the bullshit. Remember the president works for us. If one of my employees was doing something I thought was wrong, I'd question it.

You can question certainly

You can't manufacture charges without evidence and present them as fact.

Although the left has had great difficulty comprehending that fact.

 

[gjohnson5]

You can question certainly

You can't manufacture charges without evidence and present them as fact.

Although the left has had great difficulty comprehending that fact.

Who did that?
I never said I had fact. If you go back and reread I said that noone has facts so I will call it an illegal dragnet due to lack of evidence....

The right needs reading comprehension classes evidently.

 

[Phenom78]

Who did that?
I never said I had fact. If you go back and reread I said that noone has facts so I will call it an illegal dragnet due to lack of evidence....

The right needs reading comprehension classes evidently.

LOL

"This is the line GW fed you..."

your response to my stating there was no strictly domestic wiretapping program


"This is why phone companies are denying his requests for phone records without a warrant. He is infact running a dragnet"

You not only said he was running a dragnet (domestic surveillance) but you attempted to evidence this claim by pointing to the phone companies as sharing your belief.

I read just fine. Not just my own posts, but others as well.

You have yet to master the former or the latter.

 

[gjohnson5]

Why don't you reread the part that YOU wrote in bold again. The last words says everything I needed to say...

Say it again. "Belief"

So yes , you do infact need reading classes. You contradicted yourself

LOL

"This is the line GW fed you..."

your response to my stating there was no strictly domestic wiretapping program


"This is why phone companies are denying his requests for phone records without a warrant. He is infact running a dragnet"

You not only said he was running a dragnet (domestic surveillance) but you attempted to evidence this claim by pointing to the phone companies as sharing your belief.

I read just fine. Not just my own posts, but others as well.

You have yet to master the former or the latter.

 

[Phenom78]

Why don't you reread the part that YOU wrote in bold again. The last words says everything I needed to say...

Say it again. "Belief"

So yes , you do infact need reading classes. You contradicted yourself

LOL @ peeps incapable of acknowledging an error.

Government work you said huh lol

 

[gjohnson5]

LOL @ peeps incapable of acknowledging an error.

Government work you said huh lol

Kinda like you calling Scottish people fags , you racist ignorant some bitch...

 

[Phenom78]

Kinda like you calling Scottish people fags , you racist ignorant some bitch...

Wow

LOL

You really must be your moms brightest lil guy. You keep up so well

Good luck to you maing.

Enjoy the rest of your life.

 

[gjohnson5]

Yeah , Like Scotsman said , I don't wanna have any dealings with you stupid ass either.

 

[nimbus]

the only reason people are making an issue of this is because of race. A lot you guys bash people who pop their collars. Maybe none of you should be allowed to become public servants because you might treat somebody who pops his collar unfairly.

Expressing distaste for a group of people is not sufficient evidence that your job performance will be compromised because of these feelings. One of the major foundations of our society is that we are only held accountable for our actions, not our thoughts. From what jestro is saying his posts were just expressions of his thoughts, and not attempts to incite any criminal acts

 

[cboogsrun]

the only reason people are making an issue of this is because of race. A lot you guys bash people who pop their collars. Maybe none of you should be allowed to become public servants because you might treat somebody who pops his collar unfairly.

Expressing distaste for a group of people is not sufficient evidence that your job performance will be compromised because of these feelings. One of the major foundations of our society is that we are only held accountable for our actions, not our thoughts. From what jestro is saying his posts were just expressions of his thoughts, and not attempts to incite any criminal acts

He's not expressing distaste for a group of people of whom he doesn't share beliefs with. Such as feminist groups or peta, he's basing his distaste strictly from a physical perspective of color. They are born black, jewish, hispanic, ect... He's judging people with out even knowing them. Which usually wouldnt affect his job, but he's a cop. That is a serious issue.

 

[Dial_tone]

the only reason people are making an issue of this is because of race.

well, duh! It's a racial issue.

 

[pdaddy]

No robocop can think. Therefroe he can have bias. Therefore you would keep him off the force.

In essence you want to penalize human nature.

Should I argue that a cop who posts on a virulent atheist website shouldnt be allowed to keep his job because he may or may not act biased towards those of faith?

Free thought and a free society are linked. You can't have one without the other.

Most atheists are not committed to the destruction of Christians, unlike the KKK who is. But there is a line of demarcation and most people know where to draw that line. Just as most people can identify what is pornography and what isn't, even if they can't put it in words, they know it when they see it. It's the same with freedom of speech and individual freedoms. People know what is over the line and what is not. This is over the line.

There is no such thing as a totally free society, if you did that would be called anarchy, not society, which implies some type of a social structure which you don't have in chaos and anarchy.

 

[jestro]

Most atheists are not committed to the destruction of Christians, unlike the KKK who is.

Do we know what web site it was he was posting on?
Rember when that Indian dude went postal, then it turned out he was posting on a "white power" type site? I found the site and read the Indian guys posts, and some of the other people posts. There was nothing about "destruction" of any other race.

 

[Phenom78]

Most atheists are not committed to the destruction of Christians, unlike the KKK who is. But there is a line of demarcation and most people know where to draw that line. Just as most people can identify what is pornography and what isn't, even if they can't put it in words, they know it when they see it. It's the same with freedom of speech and individual freedoms. People know what is over the line and what is not. This is over the line.

There is no such thing as a totally free society, if you did that would be called anarchy, not society, which implies some type of a social structure which you don't have in chaos and anarchy.

I agree with your premise of not a completely free society. There is merit in that statement.

But the problem is, as it was with porn, we each have a different notion of where that line is bra.

We have put up with a very liberal line with respect to free speech precsiely because it is such an unmitigated disaster when government begins licensing thought and speech. Thus I may hate what they say, but I'll fight for their right to say it.

I'm tired of this nanny state concept of the left. I dont need a new set of parents to not only now tell me what to do, but what I can think. And that is as someone from the right.

Anyone on the left who supports such measures is not only stupid, but suicidal. Time to get out of the latte house and see how the rest of the country actually feels about issues. because I promise you when you tell people they can start outlawing thought initially it will be things you like, because most on the reight are naturally inclined against this kind of censorship. But once they get used to the idea you guys are fucked.

 

[pdaddy]

I agree with your premise of not a completely free society. There is merit in that statement.

But the problem is, as it was with porn, we each have a different notion of where that line is bra.

We have put up with a very liberal line with respect to free speech precsiely because it is such an unmitigated disaster when government begins licensing thought and speech. Thus I may hate what they say, but I'll fight for their right to say it.

I'm tired of this nanny state concept of the left. I dont need a new set of parents to not only now tell me what to do, but what I can think. And that is as someone from the right.

Anyone on the left who supports such measures is not only stupid, but suicidal. Time to get out of the latte house and see how the rest of the country actually feels about issues. because I promise you when you tell people they can start outlawing thought initially it will be things you like, because most on the reight are naturally inclined against this kind of censorship. But once they get used to the idea you guys are fucked.

I agree that there is some grey area in the middle where some disagreement is, however, the vast majority of people will agree whether something is pornography or obscene when they see or read it. It will only be those on the far, far left that will decide that everything is permissible.

I doubt that you will find too many people that will agree that membership in the KKK is compatible with the police force. Of course it is ok if you are a democratic senator (Robert Byrd, D-WV), but not if you are on the police force.

Of course, as with porn, there will be some grey area but the KKK is too far out to be considered a grey area. If I was a cop and I was a pacifist, that would be a grey area (could I do the job with my views on violence?....maybe)

But society has rules and there will always be restraint. You have to admit that our society would be better off without pornography. Not that it will ever go away or am I advocating prohibition, but in the overall context, we would be better off without it.

I don't believe in the sliding slope theory that once you start something socity will allow it to slide out of control. Americans have shown time and time again that we don't let that happen. We have our limits.

 

[Phenom78]

I agree that there is some grey area in the middle where some disagreement is, however, the vast majority of people will agree whether something is pornography or obscene when they see or read it. It will only be those on the far, far left that will decide that everything is permissible.

I doubt that you will find too many people that will agree that membership in the KKK is compatible with the police force. Of course it is ok if you are a democratic senator (Robert Byrd, D-WV), but not if you are on the police force.

Of course, as with porn, there will be some grey area but the KKK is too far out to be considered a grey area. If I was a cop and I was a pacifist, that would be a grey area (could I do the job with my views on violence?....maybe)

But society has rules and there will always be restraint. You have to admit that our society would be better off without pornography. Not that it will ever go away or am I advocating prohibition, but in the overall context, we would be better off without it.

I don't believe in the sliding slope theory that once you start something socity will allow it to slide out of control. Americans have shown time and time again that we don't let that happen. We have our limits.

I'm not generally speaking a fan of slippery slope arguments either. But I'm also aware that much of the decison making authority on these matters has been coopted by the courts. Assuming a common sense legal solution through the judiciary is suicidal. Not because they are so bad, but because the law doesn't work that way. Its why among other things we are the only westernized nation without a sensical abortion policy, even in those areas where there is almost universal agreement.

There are other far more effective ways of dealing with bad police officers than monitoring their private thoughts and speech.