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Age does Matter!!!

No you are not alone, there are many of us who try to pursuade the young to wait until they have a few years of good training and nutrition under their belts. I do believe that some listen, but unfortunately I think that there are many who don't.:(
 
ya, there are many who dont listen, but it is really up to them.. I started young and have no regrets, I just remember being scared because my football coach talked to the whole football teams parents and I remember coming home and seeing his truck in my driveway, he said he suspected me of them and was going to try and test me, but that never happend, lol.. So young ones if you do juice, make sure you keep it to yourself because the coachs will find out...
 
All you can do is good good advice,

I kind of have mixed feeling on the matter,

I feal if a 18 yr old dose not want to head my advice and the advice of good mods then its my oppinion that he deserves to fuck himself up,

roids in younsters fuck them up bottem line,

I dont feel bad when some 18 yr old kid fucks himself up cuz he wouldnt listen to good advice,

just my 2cents
 
I agree to...... they need to get a good solid muscular foundation, their nutrition habits down, and alot of information before starting to take juice. But as everyone else said if they want to do it , they'll do it.
 
Aside from the solid base to start with, there are developmental concerns. Distrubing the hormonal axis at puberty and closure of the growth plates in the bones prematurely. And I not nessesarily talking about 18 up. Im saying there are alot of 15, 16 , 17 year olds. I read a D0EA review that estimated 250,000 high school female athletes were on, trying to get atheletic scholarships.:confused:
 
What are your credentials? We have a handful of MD's on here and they come off pretty humble compared to you.

I have never heard anyone recommend a gram of anything on here...mod or otherwise. There are some serious users on here that post their big cycles and ask for comments but they are definately the exception.

Mustang is a nice guy and he's been around a while.
 
You as I, have probably been in this "hobey" for longer then most of the individuals here,(for all of those getting pissy I said most). But that is even more reason to stay and help educate and yes correct some of the misteps of others even if the are well intentioned. Yes I agree with you on the dosages pushed here they are rather high and should be left for the very experienced with many years of training and yes juicing. Over a gram combined is alot unless you are approaching the professional ranks.
 
Bot-
Ive been reading your shit all day,
shut the fuck up and go jackoff,
sorry dude but I think your just being a prick today,
what happend to you that got you all pissed off at the baord?

you know somthing had to be the reason for all your hate,

so what was it, lets here why youve bee crying all day,
 
roller woos
youve been mod bashing all day too,
of cource you think bots right,
hell your probly him,
take your cigeret to another board,
 
Is their any truth to the statement that BOT made regarding the age of the moderators on this board? Are the majority of mods on this board really as young as he implying? Rebuttle please.
 
i am 19, and just finished my first cycle. hell, if you've done your research, have your diet on track, and know how to train correctly, why not do a cycle at 19,20, or 21?
 
i am 19, and just finished my first cycle. hell, if you've done your research, have y

Your bones have not quit growing, even so, why take the chance.
 
Hbone said:
Would the mods please answer max's question?
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Not a Mod but, I believe Mustang is 19, Fonz about 22. I myself am 20. I can see your point about starting too young, but what does that have to do with being a Mod.
 
bro's..... first of all, chill. this is just a board. BOT everyone makes thier living in thier own way, just like you. You cant take anything away from G. Spellwin or any of the moderators on ef. i dont give a f'n rats ass if m18 or any of the other mods are 18, 22 or 12. i, personally have learned quite a bit from the mods, including posts from m18. if some dumn fuck wants to take the first bit of advice from someone on this board, whether moderator or not, that's his/her own stupidity.... the first thing most members learn on this board is to read their ass off, use the search engine and read some more so they may be educated enough in what they're trying to do to make thier own sound judgement in what they're capible of handling as far as quantity in a cycle. another thing, i've rarely seen any advice given to anyone from a mod or a vet without first hearing thier stats, goals and experience. BIGDOM, i feel the rage, dude... remember, on this board everyone has a right to thier opinion, BOT was expressing his thoughts.... no need to get personal w/ him.... the worst thing he said was m18 doesn't know shit which, in a statement is simply.... untrue. thoughts brothers??? keep 'em comin'.

peace,
ragin'
 
BOT

Sometimes a poor presentation can obscure the message.

I appreciate the point you are trying to make. Hopefully most readers understand that taking advice from cyberspace has its risks.

Hopefully most also understand that doing a cycle is kind of like getting a hair cut. You can always do more if it is needed.

If you can take some of the harshness out of your posts you may actually help someone.
 
The first time I ever used AS was when I was 16. I crushed up fina pellets and did the sublingual thing. I wanted to get my strenth up for wrestling. I am 25 today and I still use AS. I am in perfect health. I have competed and will compete again in April 2002. If used RESPONSIBLY AS is not detrimental to ones health. I stay on test for 10 months out of the year. It helps my body establish a new set weight when I reach homeostasis. All of the negative stuff said about steroids is pretty mush propaganda aimed at keeping the youth of America off steroids. If they are so dangerous, why would they consider testosterone for male birth control, or give Anadrol to aids patients?
 
Bot Got enough friends thanks.
Supertrunks I agree and preach that the propaganda is overblown. Yes on the male birth control and yes on aids therapy which I have researched extensively, My brother died from it in 93.
That said have you had blood panels drawn and watch you colesterol. Because you are still going strong does mean that there isnt risk. I know many competitors who have been on for years with no apperent complication, and wish you continued health.
 
i doubt mustang is 18....but if he is give him some credit..anyone who knows that much about juice is ok in my book, and if you've ever e-mailed him he's a nice guy...and ugh i'd watch out guys bashing mustang...if he's a college kid (like most of us) then he's stronger, faster, than you and you need to get off this board if you don't like the moderators..they are not beggin you to be here i'm sure..so until you do STFU
 
I happen to be going on 20 now, I was 2 months shy of 19 when I first started. I had also been working out since I was 14 though. Nutritional sound by time I was 18 bc that was when I first started to compete in bodybuilding. Had already been in powerlifting for three years bf I started to juice. I still think I was a little young not as far as experience but physical maturity. I could have waited but I guess I was too eager, anyway it was my decision. I did all my homework and I took all the precautions. It is really up to them to fuck themselves up, but it is still better than being strung out on recreational drugs, if you take them with all the precautions. Thats my story.
 
I am almost 20. I can't speak for the age of the other mods as I don't know but if the info is good does it really matter ? NOPE! BOT, you need to get off your high horse and stop trying to impress people by talking trash as it makes you look very immature and no one is gonna take you seriously if you keep this up

M18
 
Hey I'm 17. on my 1st cycle. Now I'm 5'11 so I don't care to much about stunting my growth, I'm healthy as a horse, very active, and so that's why I don't find such a BIG deal.

Serioulsly SOME(I said some!!!) of you make it sound so bad, for a young guy to juice, if he has everything in order, let him do it, and if he needs a little advice help him, don't just bash him.

Hey at least we are not smoking crack, or shooting heroin, so don't make it sound so bad when young juicers, juice. And like I said before at least it's not CRACK!!!!!!!:fro:
 
For the record, I'm 23.

BOT, give it up. You claim to have so much knowledge
yet all your posts are complete garbage?

That does not make sense.

Fonz
 
:devil:
I don't think the age is as big a problem as the amount of time training. I see alot of posts by people asking cycle questions after training for only a few months. They don't understand that they should grow as much as they can naturally before considering a cycle. That the attachments have to be strengthened so injuries from accelerated strength gains don't happen. As far as the age of moderators are concerned, I've seen some of the more intelligent posts come from the younger guys. Keep up the good work!
 
big up to m18 and finz nad everyone else that is young and knows there shit. I am only 22 and I have a lot better grasp on what I am doing then a lot of the older guys at the gym. age means nothing in knowelge.
 
5'11 is not tall either

bozrad said:
Hey I'm 17. on my 1st cycle. Now I'm 5'11 so I don't care to much about stunting my growth, I'm healthy as a horse, very active, and so that's why I don't find such a BIG deal.

Serioulsly SOME(I said some!!!) of you make it sound so bad, for a young guy to juice, if he has everything in order, let him do it, and if he needs a little advice help him, don't just bash him.

Hey at least we are not smoking crack, or shooting heroin, so don't make it sound so bad when young juicers, juice. And like I said before at least it's not CRACK!!!!!!!:fro:
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You probably will not stunt your growth, not everybody has this negative effect, but what should worry you more is:
your legs can stop growing, BUT your upperbody keeps on growing. Get the picture? Your body, although maybe of decent lenght could be out of balance. Now who wants that?
 
It's not so much the age thing that irritates me, it's when someone wants the physique but isn't willing to put in any time naturally to EARN it, before turning to gear.
 
Not to come off wrong but..........Most people start doing gear with the wrong goals in mind..I myself being 30 never touched any shit until I could not reach my goals.....At age 24 and around 210 my body did not respond the same why when i was say 17 18 19.I grew like a weed then and nothing seemed to hurt..I have not or due not compete. But I do train in the Martial Arts and getting stronger helped me reach my goals..So for all the young guys using I say one thing Just think how you would look if you where able to work you body to the fullist and then start cycling......People say steroids are a form of cheating..Not true they just bring you body to the next level One in which in unobtainable naturelly.............So good luck and play it smart...Dont fuck up you body for pussy now,Because no hot chick
will stick around when you liver fails,you kidneys are shot and your bald and cant get you dick up..
 
I'm a youngin' but an endurance athlete

I'm a youngin', but I'm an endurance athlete. If you wanna go pro, you gotta be good young or miss the boat. I'm a cyclist and our governing body does banned sub. tests @ our junior national events and some randoms for those on the nats team. It's a no-brainer that a good chunk of espoir (U-23) and 17-18 y/o are doping so that they can get bloody fast and go pro(just a side note, 89% of Endurance athletes @ the OTC in Col. Springs are on Albuterol or some other inhaled steroid). Only a handfull go, it's not easy. Also, if you're not aware with the constant spanking the Euro's give us all the time,(except for the past few years in one race, the Tour) it's apparent, and I HATE to ASSUME, that these kids in europe are juicing before the age of 20. It's already an established fact that the European pro-peloton juices and it's no wonder why each pro-team has its own Rx. Most of us at this level have coaches too, and i think you all should read this

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/chain.shtml

VERY INFORMATIVE to how drugs and cycling work.

A quantifying note... I started racing when I was 12. I've lifting weights since I was 15. I weigh, as of today after having knee surgery on my left knee, 147 10%bf 5'9" Lung capacity @6.8 Litres(off the charts for my age bracket). I don't really diet until it gets hot or nats roll around. I've been the same heighth since who knows when. Anyhow, what I'm getting at is that is NOW is when the boat is pulling away from the dock. The boat being the opp. for a pro career and missing it will be, "well, I wonder if...". And for me it would be doing math all day, which i wouldn't really mind, but that can wait, but I get older, and my body can't.

:bday:

CIoa,

Rolf
 
This is a discussion board, and I do believe different opinions should be argued in order to learn. But when you start attacking an individual personally, rather than his opinion, then that person forgot the purpose of the discussion. We are here to learn, not be toughasses. Regardless of the age of the mods, they have shown to be very knowledgeable, and that is what matters. I personally do not care how old is the one giving advice as long as its a good, educated opinion. If you do not value the mods advice, fine, but there are many of us who do.
 
If your not his father don't tell him what to do

Jeff_rys said:


You probably will not stunt your growth, not everybody has this negative effect, but what should worry you more is:
your legs can stop growing, BUT your upperbody keeps on growing. Get the picture? Your body, although maybe of decent lenght could be out of balance. Now who wants that?
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If this guy is 17 he's old enough to make his own decision. Also 99% of 17yr. old boys are probably done growing unless you want to count the clavicle which is not done until you are 25. Anyway even if he does hurt himself its his buisness and if he wants to run 1g of test for his first cycle thats his buisness. Besides I don't know what you think is going to happen to him that will be so bad(my guess absolutley nothing because if you read anything recent you will see the sides of steroids is greatly exaggerated). Anyway if someone suggest something you think is wrong thats fine to give your veiw but I don't see a need to bash others

P.S. The idea of steroids only stunting part of your body is about as rediculous as a study I seen that said steroids is responsible for teenagers not wearing their seatbelts.
 
Re: If your not his father don't tell him what to do

jstrong20 said:


If this guy is 17 he's old enough to make his own decision. Also 99% of 17yr. old boys are probably done growing unless you want to count the clavicle which is not done until you are 25. Anyway even if he does hurt himself its his buisness and if he wants to run 1g of test for his first cycle thats his buisness. Besides I don't know what you think is going to happen to him that will be so bad(my guess absolutley nothing because if you read anything recent you will see the sides of steroids is greatly exaggerated). Anyway if someone suggest something you think is wrong thats fine to give your veiw but I don't see a need to bash others

P.S. The idea of steroids only stunting part of your body is about as rediculous as a study I seen that said steroids is responsible for teenagers not wearing their seatbelts.
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Could you elaborate and explain "where i did any bashing?".

Sure i am not his father, but so is no one on the board.
What is the point of getting advice, a third opinion, if you will not listen to it.
In my opinion this is a waste of time.

Concerning your P.S., you should do a search on the net. There are guys with stunted leg grow. Now if nobody believes me i couldn't care less.

Afterall it's "his" life, not mine.

You know the saying: "good advice is expensive".
 
you know you could be right but its just hard for me to belive at 17 someone is going to stunt their growth but I guess it could happen. It's just most of the guys I know where done growing by 16 or 17 but their were a few guys I knew that grew until they where 18 or 19. Also the only thing I bring up bashing is because it seems like if some people don't agree with others they take personal offense to it but I might of misread your post and if this is the case, sorry. I can also see where the older guys look at the 1 and 2g a/w doses as high but they need to understand alot of these guys want the ronnie coleman look and thats the only way to get it. With that said most of the younger guys could learn from the vets experiences, myself included but I still take it with a grain of salt and appreciate their advice.
 
The cautions as with most here are "worst" case senerios. I personally feel it is a individuals choice, and most of concern would 16 -19s doing heavy dose cycles, when the8r bodies are already set up hormonally to grow at an exellerated rate.
 
pittbull2 said:
These mods can't be that young ? Can they???? Hope not
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Ok big man.............and what are you? 30?40?

I find it RIDICULOUS that somebody flames somebody based
solely on their age.
Like its such an intellectual leap going from 23 to 30 or 40....LOL

Too bad I would anhilate you in terms of knowledge.
I let my posts speak for themselves.

Fonz
 
so again i will ask you

jstrong20 said:
you know you could be right but its just hard for me to belive at 17 someone is going to stunt their growth but I guess it could happen. It's just most of the guys I know where done growing by 16 or 17 but their were a few guys I knew that grew until they where 18 or 19. Also the only thing I bring up bashing is because it seems like if some people don't agree with others they take personal offense to it but I might of misread your post and if this is the case, sorry. I can also see where the older guys look at the 1 and 2g a/w doses as high but they need to understand alot of these guys want the ronnie coleman look and thats the only way to get it. With that said most of the younger guys could learn from the vets experiences, myself included but I still take it with a grain of salt and appreciate their advice.
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Could you elaborate and explain "where i did any bashing?".

Or must i ask this over and over again?
 
Re: so again i will ask you

Jeff_rys said:


Could you elaborate and explain "where i did any bashing?".

Or must i ask this over and over again?
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Your right bro, my apologies. I guess I too am guilty of bashing people for not having my opinion and I'll be the first to admit I jumped the gun. ON the other hand the was alot of bashing in the thread on mustang 18 and moderators just because of their age. Also I'm not likley one to start a war over the computer because it's pointless and I always laugh when I see people saying their going to do this and that to the other person meanwhile their probably thousands of miles apart. So I'm not here to get into wars but here to learn and I just don't like seeing the moderators get bashed when they have helped me and many others out many of times.
 
Who, besides BOT, gives a shit if the mods are in their early or mid twenties. The fact of the matter is that they got to be mods simply because they know their shit, and have proven that. That is pretty much all that matters, unless of course you have some sort of inferiority complex about someone younger than yourself being smarter than you in a certain subject.
 
With all due respect to Mustang and others who are extremely knowledgeable and helpful,

The problem with listening to young men in their teens or early 20s when dealing with your body and your health is, guys that age, no matter how "knowledgeable," tend to have a feeling of invincibility, tend to think they know more than they do, tend to be confident about everything they say because they haven't lived long enough to be proven wrong about any of their life's major convictions, tend to have a narrow view of "what is scientific fact" and what is not, etc.

Let's face it, we want doctors to have not only real world experience but also several years of university education and specialized medical training. One good reason for this (Doogie Howser aside) is simply that such education and life experience teach us more about HOW TO ASSESS RISK; HOW TO ASSESS THE PROBABILITY THAT WE REALLY KNOW WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW; etc. The 18-year-old may be a level headed, fine person - I like to think I was pretty bright then - but the average 18 year old man's concept of risk is seriously skewed, and it shows in car accident statistics. At that age, even though we were "good kids," my friends and I used to race our cars around on back roads and thought nothing of it, because we were "good kids."

People in their 30's or older, with families or kids to think about, not to mention the fact they pay their own car payments, rent/mortgage, insurance, and everything else, tend to be a little careful about crashing their cars. I think the analogy fits here.

Of course, the people who want to compete in the Olympics or just show off their bodies at the beach tend to be much younger. It is this crowd primarily that is so attracted to steroids to achieve their goals. While they may have short-term goals, I wouldn't personally consider them role models for the population in general (and let's face it, this board is wide open to every newbie with an Internet connection who can type "steroid info" into a search engine) to emulate any more than I would consider 13-year-olds who smoke because it's "cool" good advisors on whether it is healthy to smoke or not.

There are good reasons to be wary of drug use advice coming from untrained teenagers, regardless of how long they've been "lifting" or "juicing" or even reading studies on Medline.

There is something to said for those who have a longer time horizon, a wider breadth of education and experience, and a perspective on juicing "in the grand scheme of things."

If it weren't actually important to learn from the voice of experience, the colleges and universities wouldn't be jammed full of students listening to their professors and taking notes. There is a difference between being a precocious whiz kid and being in a position to teach others.

That being said, the punk mods on here know their stuff. But some, unfortunately, just "think" they know their stuff when what they are really offering is opinions. There does tend to be an assumption that juicing, in heavy doses, at an early age like "17 cuz I've done my research," is "NORMAL." Without mods like 2Thick and cranky board members like BOT, there would be no feedback at all to suggest otherwise. We need guys like that for balance!

Steroid use and dieting and training "body builder style" is abnormal, not "normal," no matter how much we may wish to live that lifestyle.
 
As for Fonz, your posts do speak for themselves.

You are an out-of-control, irresponsible idiot who thinks he knows more than he does.

Someday, you will grow up, and understand that your intellect is merely average and your faculties of judgment are well below average.
 
Im an oldie and I wish I had half the knowledge these mods have
when I began weight training. But then very little was understood about AS at the time I began training. Speaking as a foggie for those who started young and those who believe you should wait till you have some years training under your belt, had I known about AS at a younger age and their potential, I too might have done my first cycle at 17. Today there is a lot more knowledge and experimentation that has gone on making it safer
for newbies to do a first cycle. If I had the knowledge of some of the mods when I was 20, I can only bimagine my stats today.
 
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