Age and first cycle

[Pattio]

Hello first timer here.
Well I'm looking to do a cycle and have done some research but would like some input. I'm 42 been working out since I was 15 but feel I would like to try a cycle again. Last time I did was about 12 years ago. I am 5'7" 205 and built pretty good as most people think I weigh 180. I have been looking at doing test c/e and d Bol but was wondering what thoughts of this at my age would be. Would like some feedback on how much to use to satisfy what I have been told or read and should I use anything else. I'm trying to lose some body at around my stomach and back also as well as define myself with some more size. Are there any good sites for meal planning? Appreciate what the responses will be.

 

[EZ_E]

Losing BF isn't going to come from test, or d-bol, or any juice.....what's your diet look like?

~EZ

 

[montanaboy]

You may want to try oral Anavar. It has little side effects and it tends to add lean muscle mass and strength, rather than bulk. It also has a good reputation of stripping off any visceral fat. I took it for 8 weeks 20-40 mg a day and I loved the stuff. I know its not the heavy injectable gear but it serves its purpose well.

 

[hd heritage]

I dont see your age being a prob. Im 47 & run 2-3 cycles a yr. Mainly stick with test, dbol or anadrol, proviron & sometimes winny. Like ez_e said, test & dbol isnt gonna giv u wat you're wanting tho. Ill only say what I use dose wise for me personally, wat you need may be different....test is usually 500-750mg wk, dbol 30-40mg ed as a kickstart. I'm 6'3" 274 lbs. This works good "for me". Just be smart about it. Good luck.

 

[RADAR]

Whats your training history at the moment?

 

[stevesmi]

you seem pretty heavy at just 5 7... i would cut down first using extra cardio and a semi-catabolic diet. get that body fat down.. then worry about juicing.

naturally at 5 7 being 205 with an admitted issue with fat around the stomach is hefty believe it or not.

 

[RADAR]

Yep!

 

[EZ_E]

All the older near or over 40 guys are posting here, we just need CaptainAH and IA now...

~EZ

 

[Pattio]

Ok here is some more about me.
I am watching what I am eating doing brown, rice chicken salads some fruit protien twice a day mixed with some berries and all bran buds for fiber (usually in the morning this way) oatmeal etc that i have a handle on as far as food. i am taking CLA, omega 3-6-9, B100 and calcium pills. My training is 5 times a day sometimes 6 I do hard Cardio 4 times a week on the eliptical for 25 min then 15% incline on treadmill for another 15min.
I alternate my body parts throughout the week. I am pretty experianced as far as weithlifting goes.
I have a pretty good frame and I might just take a picture minus the head hot to show.
So this is a no no to d bol and test?

 

[Pattio]

Also the guy told me he can get winstrol tabs to replace the dbol is this better? So it would be test c and win tablets 50mg. I need to let him know right away as this will start this tommorow. Thanks

 

[EZ_E]

Don't think you're understanding bossman, see stevesmi's post above.....

~EZ

 

[stevesmi]

Ok here is some more about me.
I am watching what I am eating doing brown, rice chicken salads some fruit protien twice a day mixed with some berries and all bran buds for fiber (usually in the morning this way) oatmeal etc that i have a handle on as far as food. i am taking CLA, omega 3-6-9, B100 and calcium pills. My training is 5 times a day sometimes 6 I do hard Cardio 4 times a week on the eliptical for 25 min then 15% incline on treadmill for another 15min.
I alternate my body parts throughout the week. I am pretty experianced as far as weithlifting goes.
I have a pretty good frame and I might just take a picture minus the head hot to show.
So this is a no no to d bol and test?

definately put up a pic. hard to really tell cause from what you are saying here vs. the stats you put up they don't add up. just try to be as honest as possible, sometimes guys will say something like this and then in reality they literally just started that protocol. no one is gonna give you a hard time on here.

 

[Pattio]

So back to my question. Is it a good mix to use winstrol tabs 50mg and test together?

 

[Pattio]

This my pic

 

[stevesmi]

^^^^ you don't look bad for your age compared to most people.. however I do not think you are gonna get the best benefits from roids right now. I would focus on improving your workouts and diet .. i would peg your body fat somewhere in the low 20's which isn't THAT bad. but still you have room to improve naturally.

also you have some muscle mass on your frame, but I think you can definately put more on

I have a very good 3 day split workout in my signature below as well as a clean bulking diet. you should check that out. could be perfect for you

 

[Pattio]

Thanks for the compliment however I am planning to start this today. Wish there was more support for me here. I'm not planning on competing but want to change my body. I feel I can do it and have the tools to diet, workout and gear. I now have test, eq and winstrol for the last 4 weeks.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ I wrote out a diet and workout strategy for you.. and i linked them.. not sure what else you are looking for.. sorry but no one is gonna give anyone advice on juicing who isn't ready to juice. you have too much room to improve naturally!!

you won't get magic results from juicing thats the bottom line, and any gains you make will be gone after cycle. you keep asking the same thing over and over and you have gotten ample advice, its just not the advice you want to hear cause you are intent on doing it.

 

[rossgbs]

Keep us posted on ow your results progress over the cyle.

 

[Pattio]

Your right it isn't a magic drug however I am very much dedicated to make the necessary change in all areas that is needed. I have seen some good changes in others in worse shape than me and surprised what they were doing and using. I will say I do appreciate you sharing what your thoughts are.

 

[doublebicep]

I would drop the orals all together. If you are looking to jumpstart your cycle, consider S4 from one of our sponsers but there is nothing wrong with a 'test only' as a 1st cycle. It is hard to gauge your response and relate sides to a compound when your 1st cycle consists of 2.

Before you start any cycle:
1) Have blood work done so you have a baseline and to identify any issues before you start any cycle.
2) Get your training program and diet in line before you start any cycle.

Welcome to EF pattio. There are a lot us 'older' guys around and experienced mods like RADAR and stevesmi.






-db-

 

[EZ_E]

You wish there was more support?

The fact that we're saving you time, $$$, aggravation, and possible health risks sound like pretty good support to me..

~EZ

 

[stevesmi]

Your right it isn't a magic drug however I am very much dedicated to make the necessary change in all areas that is needed. I have seen some good changes in others in worse shape than me and surprised what they were doing and using. I will say I do appreciate you sharing what your thoughts are.

GOOD, so make the changes BEFORE juicing. thats what we are saying. then once you go on juice you will be able to have tremendous results.

dont worry what your friends did, they will look like shit in a year.. i know plenty of guys who juiced, had good gains, then a year later lost everything and quit the gym.

 

[Pattio]

So just curious what health risks may I incur?
I do feel I have everything inline just my body fat is to high is the main concern.

 

[doublebicep]

So just curious what health risks may I incur?

Here is a short list:

• severe acne
• decreases in HDL ("good" cholesterol)
• increases in LDL ("bad" cholesterol)
• fluid retention
• jaundice (yellowish pigmentation of skin, tissues, and body fluids)
• high blood pressure
• kidney tumors
• liver tumors
• cancer

BP should be a concern if you are out of shape and overweight. I think you should stick around and read as much as you can around EF on AAS. Ask questions and learn. EF is a great place for you to learn and eventually plan and execute on a cycle.

 

[Pattio]

But honestly I'm not really out of shape and all my levels are good with my doctor when I was there 2 months ago. I am very active train hard, I do some intense cardio as I prefer this over weight training honestly, however admit my eating wasn't all up to par but it is changing for the better and have an plan in place with a nutritionist helping out.

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Your just not gonna benefit, there is no use in overloading the body with juice when you can make the same gains from a year of hard training... Plain and simple bro, your out of shape and your not in shape enough to run a cycle, Get your BF to low teens and then consider.... You need to learn the basics about diet and heavy volume training, the importance of rest and basic supplementation..... ill be that guy.... There is no room for error with steroids dude!

 

[stevesmi]

^^ when i was an endurance athlete i remember when i would run races i would be sucking wind and be halfway through my 5K and i would always wish i had trained harder before the race to prepare myself. then i would finish the race and wish that i had gotten an extra hour of sleep and prepared better.

when you juice its the same thing.. before you make that first pin ask yourself if you honestly have busted your ass as hard as possible naturally, otherwise halfway through your cycle you will be regretting not waiting. and then after you will wish you had truely put in everything and prepared yourself

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

Ill agree with that statement bro.... So true, you gotta be in the best shape and have all the pieces fall into place with diet, training, cardio, sleep, work, school, and not be stressed out.... its a lifestyle change not a hobby!

 

[johnnyboy3689282]

If your gonna ignore what we say, you should atleast have your levels checked out and have a good pct planned, and Only run the test, youll get the same results at this point without the extra compounds.... know what your getting in too bro....

 

[doublebicep]

If your gonna ignore what we say, you should atleast have your levels checked out and have a good pct planned, and Only run the test, youll get the same results at this point without the extra compounds.... know what your getting in too bro....

^^^ exactly.

Sounds like you have made up your mind.

Have you PCT planned out and in hand and like I said in my response earlier:

I would drop the oral all together. If you are looking to jumpstart your cycle, consider S4 from one of our sponsers but there is nothing wrong with a 'test only' as a 1st cycle. It is hard to gauge your response and relate sides to a compound when your 1st cycle consists of 2.

Before you start any cycle:
1) Have blood work done so you have a baseline and to identify any issues before you start any cycle.
2) Get your training program and diet in line before you start any cycle.

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Ok here is some more about me.
I am watching what I am eating doing brown, rice chicken salads some fruit protien twice a day mixed with some berries and all bran buds for fiber (usually in the morning this way) oatmeal etc that i have a handle on as far as food. i am taking CLA, omega 3-6-9, B100 and calcium pills. My training is 5 times a day sometimes 6 I do hard Cardio 4 times a week on the eliptical for 25 min then 15% incline on treadmill for another 15min.
I alternate my body parts throughout the week. I am pretty experianced as far as weithlifting goes.
I have a pretty good frame and I might just take a picture minus the head hot to show.
So this is a no no to d bol and test?

At what your trying to acomplish imo no.

DIET.... DIET.....DIET

You could how ever look into Forskilen and 7Keto good multi vit. add 1000mg of vit. C, take power chews bcaa's before and after workout. Glutamine before bed along with arginine. You could look into need2slin and stack with forged burner. You could even look into b12 inject 1000mg ah week and grape seed extract to boost natrually.

If u were like f it! Im run a cycle anyway Id def shine away from dbol as it tend to hold mass quanities of water weight although ppl have ran it low at 30mg ah day with similar cutting results. I would not recomend it tho imo. I would however, 250-350 test c ah week and 40-60mg of anavar a week would be best imo.

Just my two cents

Diet is the key this doesnt happen over night and at you age it does get rougher. 42 is still young. Motabolisim is your biggest factor so the stuff Ive listed will aid that. Also test for 30 yrs of age starts declining by 1-2% annually so maybe test is in ur boat but not everyone is the same a blood test could simply tell you how much test u could use and u might not need any.

Good luck

 

[Pattio]

Appreciate your post. Yes I'm not going to lie and say I'm listening to the feedback. I have started with the test c 300mg and eq 150mg eating is in check and workouts are going great. Many years ago I did a cycle and got good results and going to try this and am monitoring it closely. Don't want to start a pissing match but this was my choice to do it this way. If I stay aboard the site I will report back with true feedback and a pic. Once again I appreciate everyone's response to my post.