AG-GUYS Best for Gyno???

[Zuperman]

LiquiAromasin
LiquiClom
LiquiDex
LiquiFem
LiquiNolva

please list reasons.

 

[anal itch]

Nolva, because it works directly on your titty tissue (that's a technical term)

 

[Zuperman]

I need the most replies on this guys, Please!!!
I got them all, but which one should I take???
Please share all you know, as I don't want to go under the knife again.

 

[bbkingpin]

Nolva for sure and then an anti-a, like a-dex or aromasin. Femara only if its a real heavy cycle or you are trying to reverse a flare up of gyno or you are extremely sensitive.

 

[Zuperman]

Nolva for sure and then an anti-a, like a-dex or aromasin. Femara only if its a real heavy cycle or you are trying to reverse a flare up of gyno or you are extremely sensitive.

in the Femara case, use it with nolva or alone.

can't give you k again. thanx

 

[Mr.X]

If you have gyno already, nolva + femara combination has proven to be very potent. However, as a preventive measure (if you must) an AI like arimidex is sufficient.

 

[ceo]

If you have gyno already, nolva + femara combination has proven to be very potent. However, as a preventive measure (if you must) an AI like arimidex is sufficient.

WORD!

 

[Mr.X]

WORD!

 

[Zuperman]

Bump

 

[karachi183]

If you have gyno already, nolva + femara combination has proven to be very potent. However, as a preventive measure (if you must) an AI like arimidex is sufficient.

Nolva worked for me but i think i may have to try liquidex nextime.

 

[Zuperman]

I can't believe that no one on this board picked Liquifem....while its the same price....

 

[Harder N Leaner]

I can't believe that no one on this board picked Liquifem....while its the same price....

I think im in your shoes Zuperman! The Liquifem seems like the only alternative at the stage im in.... And I hope it works!

 

[Zuperman]

I think im in your shoes Zuperman! The Liquifem seems like the only alternative at the stage im in.... And I hope it works!

did you order it yet??? let me tell you bro THAT SHIT WORKS!!!!!! BUT BE PREPARED FOR NO SEX FOR A WHILE....

I HAVE TO THANK MR.X FOR TELLING ME ABOUT LIQUIFEM!!! THANKYOU MR.X I OWE YOU!!!

Thank you AG-Guys.....

but well will be able to have sex again??

 

[Harder N Leaner]

did you order it yet??? let me tell you bro THAT SHIT WORKS!!!!!! BUT BE PREPARED FOR NO SEX FOR A WHILE....

I HAVE TO THANK MR.X FOR TELLING ME ABOUT LIQUIFEM!!! THANKYOU MR.X I OWE YOU!!!

Thank you AG-Guys.....

but well will be able to have sex again??

i ordered it on MLK day so its taking a while. been checkin the mail cause i need it. Im glad to hear it worked for you! I could actually use a reduction in sex drive!

 

[Mr.X]

did you order it yet??? let me tell you bro THAT SHIT WORKS!!!!!! BUT BE PREPARED FOR NO SEX FOR A WHILE....

I HAVE TO THANK MR.X FOR TELLING ME ABOUT LIQUIFEM!!! THANKYOU MR.X I OWE YOU!!!

Thank you AG-Guys.....

but well will be able to have sex again??

no problem bro, letrozole is a real anti-estroge (AI)

 

[chesty]

If you have gyno already, nolva + femara combination has proven to be very potent. However, as a preventive measure (if you must) an AI like arimidex is sufficient.

So, this combination can reverse gyno?

 

[Mr.X]

So, this combination can reverse gyno?

I've worked with numerous individuals in the early to medium stages of gynecomastia for whom this combination of letrozole + nolvadex has done wonders.

 

[chesty]

I was curious, because I had to have lumps removed from both sides and now have to have some minor clean up surgery. It was not a normal thing as they hurt like hell for like 2 years before my ex gf convinced me to go to the doc. They did mamograms, etc and sent the stuff for biopsy. Came back clean, but I am concerned that I could trigger something and I don't want that to happen. They said they took all the female stuff out, but you never know.

 

[Mr.X]

I was curious, because I had to have lumps removed from both sides and now have to have some minor clean up surgery. It was not a normal thing as they hurt like hell for like 2 years before my ex gf convinced me to go to the doc. They did mamograms, etc and sent the stuff for biopsy. Came back clean, but I am concerned that I could trigger something and I don't want that to happen. They said they took all the female stuff out, but you never know.

So let me get this straight, you had gyno come back or signs of it after the surgery?

 

[chesty]

I am not sure if it is there or not, it may be the scar tissue, but I have not used in a couple of years and just had the surgery 3 months ago.

 

[Mr.X]

I am not sure if it is there or not, it may be the scar tissue, but I have not used in a couple of years and just had the surgery 3 months ago.

I would further consult with your doctor before making any suggestions here.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I was curious, because I had to have lumps removed from both sides and now have to have some minor clean up surgery. It was not a normal thing as they hurt like hell for like 2 years before my ex gf convinced me to go to the doc. They did mamograms, etc and sent the stuff for biopsy. Came back clean, but I am concerned that I could trigger something and I don't want that to happen. They said they took all the female stuff out, but you never know.

its nearly impossible to remove all the ductal tissue once its spread out.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I am not sure if it is there or not, it may be the scar tissue, but I have not used in a couple of years and just had the surgery 3 months ago.

it would not hurt to do follow up with an AI and SERM.

if you had large lumps there is likely to be scar tissue (even if they were small lumps there will usually be some (though after three months it should not hurt)

 

[chesty]

Yeah, I agree. I will be doing that this month. They just look a tad funny since there is not fatty tissue left. I am hoping a solid diet/cutting phase can tighten the skin back up. But I doubt it.

 

[djsf]

If you have gyno already, nolva + femara combination has proven to be very potent. However, as a preventive measure (if you must) an AI like arimidex is sufficient.

Yes, what Mr.X said!

Arimidex prevents the formation of estrogen from testosterone, and Nolva blocks the action of estrogen in the body.

To protect against gyno in the first place, you can run Arimidex through your cycle at .5 - 1mg/day (depending on dose of AAS). This will also eliminate bloat and give you a harder look (at the expense of some sheer size). Be sure to continue arimidex into your PCT if you are using long-acting esters. You can taper off adex post-cycle by decreasing your dose each week until you stop taking it altogether after 4-5 weeks. Tapering off is important to restore normal estrogen production (and normal sex drive) post-cycle.

If you already have estrogen gyno, arimidex after the fact will not help you. Nolva at a reasonably high dose or nolva+femara is the cure.

 

[chesty]

I am curious as to why doctors don't try that for patients? And how high a dose are we talking about with the nolva?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I am curious as to why doctors don't try that for patients? And how high a dose are we talking about with the nolva?

because most doctors are not all that bright. remember that surgeons also somewhat disdain those that rely on pharmacology, there about the "cutting".

with respect to nolva dose.. individual response varies, you should base it on what you respond to generally

 

[FreakMonster]

Yes, what Mr.X said!

Arimidex prevents the formation of estrogen from testosterone, and Nolva blocks the action of estrogen in the body.

To protect against gyno in the first place, you can run Arimidex through your cycle at .5 - 1mg/day (depending on dose of AAS). This will also eliminate bloat and give you a harder look (at the expense of some sheer size). Be sure to continue arimidex into your PCT if you are using long-acting esters. You can taper off adex post-cycle by decreasing your dose each week until you stop taking it altogether after 4-5 weeks. Tapering off is important to restore normal estrogen production (and normal sex drive) post-cycle.

If you already have estrogen gyno, arimidex after the fact will not help you. Nolva at a reasonably high dose or nolva+femara is the cure.

So if I have existing gyno and I'm about to start a cycle should I be running Nolvadex throughout my whole cycle and PCT?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

do you know what caused your pre-existing gyno? did you get it while using nandrolone or trenbolone?

IMHO there is good reason to use a low dose SERM and and AI throughout cycle (especially if you have prexisting gyno)- a dopaminergic would also probably be a good idea (since prolactin will increase ductal growth even in the absence of oestrogen)

 

[FreakMonster]

do you know what caused your pre-existing gyno? did you get it while using nandrolone or trenbolone?

IMHO there is good reason to use a low dose SERM and and AI throughout cycle (especially if you have prexisting gyno)- a dopaminergic would also probably be a good idea (since prolactin will increase ductal growth even in the absence of oestrogen)

Not sure what caused it.

Can you speak laymans terms with me? LOL

Low dose Serm meaning Arimidex or Nolvadex right? With the AIFM stuff throught my cycle and PCT?

My gyno is hard fatty tissue. What will a dopaminergic do and what product contains dopaminergic?

 

[chesty]

Well, I am curious as well as i am in the same boat. I don't have it now, but I don't want it back either.

 

[Mr.X]

Low dose Serm meaning Arimidex or Nolvadex right? With the AIFM stuff throught my cycle and PCT?

My gyno is hard fatty tissue. What will a dopaminergic do and what product contains dopaminergic?

Low dose SERM is a low dose of Nolvadex. The AI - aromatase inhibitor, is a product like Arimidex, Letrozole or Aromasin.

Information:
Arimidex - Anastrozole
Femara - Letozole
NOLVADEX - tamoxifen citrate

If you look back at some of my posts, you'll see people combining Letrozole (femara) + Nolvadex have had amazing results when it comes to getting rid of existing gynecomastia.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Not sure what caused it.

Can you speak laymans terms with me? LOL

Low dose Serm meaning Arimidex or Nolvadex right? With the AIFM stuff throught my cycle and PCT?

My gyno is hard fatty tissue. What will a dopaminergic do and what product contains dopaminergic?

what drugs were you taking prior/while the tissue "presented"?
please include pertinent steroids/thyroid and other meds...

SERM= nolvadex or clomifin - in this case nolvadex

arimidex/anastrozole is a non steroidal Aromatase inhibitor (so is letrozole/femara

AIFM (ATD) and exemestane/aromasin are steroidal aromatase inhibitors

a dopaminergic is something like dostinex (d1 agonist), bromocriptine(less specific agonist of d1/d2) or selegiline (this is a mao-i-b which increases natural dopamine). This will suppress prolactin which is a factor in gyncomastia particulary the spread outward of fingerlike ductal tissue.

 

[djsf]

So if I have existing gyno and I'm about to start a cycle should I be running Nolvadex throughout my whole cycle and PCT?

I meant if you have gyno already and you are mid-cycle. If you are mid-cycle haven't been using arimidex, you will already have very high estrogen levels. Arimidex doesn't reduce already high estrogen levels, it just prevents new estrogen from forming, hence the need to start it before your cycle (before the estrogen forms in the first place). If you already have gyno and are just about to start a cycle, running arimidex before and through your cycle *should* ensure estrogen levels stay low and thus avoid the gyno from increasing. But there are no guarantees, so in that case I would play it safe and also use nolva.

 

[FreakMonster]

what drugs were you taking prior/while the tissue "presented"?
please include pertinent steroids/thyroid and other meds...

SERM= nolvadex or clomifin - in this case nolvadex

arimidex/anastrozole is a non steroidal Aromatase inhibitor (so is letrozole/femara

AIFM (ATD) and exemestane/aromasin are steroidal aromatase inhibitors

a dopaminergic is something like dostinex (d1 agonist), bromocriptine(less specific agonist of d1/d2) or selegiline (this is a mao-i-b which increases natural dopamine). This will suppress prolactin which is a factor in gyncomastia particulary the spread outward of fingerlike ductal tissue.

Mainly Test/Deca/Dbol I have taken in the past.

 

[Mr.X]

I meant if you have gyno already and you are mid-cycle. If you are mid-cycle haven't been using arimidex, you will already have very high estrogen levels. Arimidex doesn't reduce already high estrogen levels, it just prevents new estrogen from forming, hence the need to start it before your cycle (before the estrogen forms in the first place). If you already have gyno and are just about to start a cycle, running arimidex before and through your cycle *should* ensure estrogen levels stay low and thus avoid the gyno from increasing. But there are no guarantees, so in that case I would play it safe and also use nolva.

good post bro

 

[Mr.X]

 

[Mr.X]

^^

 

[djsf]

So the summary of this is... ag-guys carry pretty much the full set of well-known anti-estrogen medicines, available in research chemical form. Do your research to determine which anti-e or anti-e combo is best for your situation. Once you come up with a plan, you will find all the supplies you need at ag-guys, and very reasonably priced, I might add.

 

[Mr.X]

So the summary of this is... ag-guys carry pretty much the full set of well-known anti-estrogen medicines, available in research chemical form. Do your research to determine which anti-e or anti-e combo is best for your situation. Once you come up with a plan, you will find all the supplies you need at ag-guys, and very reasonably priced, I might add.

some very good points bro, two thumbs up

 

[FreakMonster]

I've worked with numerous individuals in the early to medium stages of gynecomastia for whom this combination of letrozole + nolvadex has done wonders.

I thought that Letro pretty much does everything the nolvadex does. Can you explain to me why taking Nolva with Letro would be of any more benefit. Wouldn't you get the same results just using Letro?

 

[Mr.X]

I thought that Letro pretty much does everything the nolvadex does. Can you explain to me why taking Nolva with Letro would be of any more benefit. Wouldn't you get the same results just using Letro?

Letrozole is an aromatase inhibitor, while nolvadex is an estrogen agonist/antagonist (SERM s as ppl. call it). Letrozole prevents aromatization, while nolvadex blocks receptors, read below for extended explanations.

Here is some info for you:
Femara - Letozole - info
NOLVADEX - tamoxifen citrate - info

 

[Mr.X]

 

[Stacemranger]

Mr. X so smart!

 

[Extra_Strong]

What about the combinaton of "aromasin and arimidex " ?? do they do the same thing?

 

[whitemahon]

i'm really supprised TESLAC hasn't been mentioned. for me personally it is the most potent anti-gyno tool (for estrogen induced gyno). studies have shown that testolactone permanently suppresses the aromatise enzyme.

it's hard to find and expensive, but WORTH IT! if nolva, a-dex, femara, etc. aren't helping, you may want to give it a try.

on the other hand, if you have prolactin induced gyno, bromocriptine or "the day after pill" are the only things i know of that may help.

good luck bro!

 

[Mr.X]

What about the combinaton of "aromasin and arimidex " ?? do they do the same thing?

It's overkill bro, too much of a good thing is just that, too much. You need one or the other, that's it.

 

[Mr.X]

 

[Mr.X]

^^

 

[RaoulDuke..]

Mr X, could you elaborate on the benefits of using nolvadex and femera together? Is the nolva for lipid profile issues, or is there a synergystic effect i'm not grasping? Thanks.

 

[Mr.X]

Mr X, could you elaborate on the benefits of using nolvadex and femera together? Is the nolva for lipid profile issues, or is there a synergystic effect i'm not grasping? Thanks.

This thread is about gynecomastia, not lipid profiles. You missed the point a bit bro. The nolvadex + femara (letrozole) combination is very potent for getting rid of gyno/gyno symptoms.

 

[Mr.X]

J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):27-34. Aromatase overexpression transgenic mice model: cell type specific expression and use of letrozole to abrogate mammary hyperplasia without affecting normal physiology.

Mandava U, Kirma N, Tekmal RR.

Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics, Emory University, 4217 Woodruff Memorial Building, 1639 Pierce Drive, Atlanta, GA 30322-4710, USA.

Our recent studies have shown that overexpression of aromatase results in increased tissue estrogenic activity and induction of hyperplastic and dysplastic lesions in female mammary glands and gynecomastia and testicular cancer in male aromatase transgenic mice. Both aromatase mRNA and protein are overexpressed in transgenic mammary glands and its expression is not limited to epithelial cells. However, it is more in epithelial than in stromal cells.Our results also indicate aromatase overexpression-induced changes in mammary glands can be abrogated [destroyed] with very low concentrations of the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole. Low concentration of letrozole had no effect on normal physiology as indicated by no significant change in the circulating levels of estradiol and follicle stimulating hormone as well as no change in estrogen responsive genes such as the progesterone receptor and lactoferrin in the uterine tissue. These observations indicate that the expression of aromatase in both epithelial and stromal cells can influence the complex interactions of biochemical pathways leading to mammary carcinogenesis and that the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole can be used as chemopreventive agents without affecting normal physiology.

 

[RaoulDuke..]

This thread is about gynecomastia, not lipid profiles. You missed the point a bit bro. The nolvadex + femara (letrozole) combination is very potent for getting rid of gyno/gyno symptoms.

i'm right with you on this thread being about gyno. i was wondering if the addition of nolvadex along with the femera was to improve lipid profiles caused by the femera. i have read nolva has a positive effect in that respect. if i remember correctly some members have added low dose nolva along w/ arimidex for such issues. am i misunderstood?

What i'm not understanding is the benefit of using a serm along w/ an AI to reduce gyno. i guess my logic is that if aromatization is inhibited, whats the use in blocking estrogen from breast tissue receptors? i'm obviously confused about something here, thanks for the help.

 

[Mr.X]

i'm right with you on this thread being about gyno. i was wondering if the addition of nolvadex along with the femera was to improve lipid profiles caused by the femera. i have read nolva has a positive effect in that respect. if i remember correctly some members have added low dose nolva along w/ arimidex for such issues. am i misunderstood?

What i'm not understanding is the benefit of using a serm along w/ an AI to reduce gyno. i guess my logic is that if aromatization is inhibited, whats the use in blocking estrogen from breast tissue receptors? i'm obviously confused about something here, thanks for the help.

I answered your question here
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460900

 

[RaoulDuke..]

i know, i posed this particular question before i had started that thread. just ordered some ag letro...from what i hear it's top notch...we'll see how it goes, thanks for the help

 

[Mr.X]

i know, i posed this particular question before i had started that thread. just ordered some ag letro...from what i hear it's top notch...we'll see how it goes, thanks for the help

good man, ag is top notch bro.

how far in is your gyno?

 

[RaoulDuke..]

good man, ag is top notch bro.

how far in is your gyno?

well, it's sort of hard to say. i had small glandular in the left ever since i was 15, and only "puffiness" in the right up until i did my first cycle last spring/early summer. i did 350mg test/wk, .5mg arimidex ED, 15 mg nolva ED for 12 weeks. believe it or not the gyno/puffiness disappeared throughout the duration and up until about a month after my cycle. i experienced no tingling or pain, but the gyno seemed to reappear. now it's a bit worse than it was before my cycle, but i'm gonna run 1.25mg AG GUYS letro and see what happens. i'll post an update with my results.

 

[Mr.X]

well, it's sort of hard to say. i had small glandular in the left ever since i was 15, and only "puffiness" in the right up until i did my first cycle last spring/early summer. i did 350mg test/wk, .5mg arimidex ED, 15 mg nolva ED for 12 weeks. believe it or not the gyno/puffiness disappeared throughout the duration and up until about a month after my cycle. i experienced no tingling or pain, but the gyno seemed to reappear. now it's a bit worse than it was before my cycle, but i'm gonna run 1.25mg AG GUYS letro and see what happens. i'll post an update with my results.

Letro + nolvadex is what I suggested here, not letro alone. I'm going to assume you're running the combo, right?

 

[RaoulDuke..]

Letro + nolvadex is what I suggested here, not letro alone. I'm going to assume you're running the combo, right?

I had planned on starting w/ letro alone and add nolvadex if i get no/little results. i have both on hand, but would rather save the nolva if i can get away w/ it. bad idea? do i need the nolva to act directly on breast receptors? has anyone you know of had success w/ letro alone? much appreciated.

 

[Mr.X]

I had planned on starting w/ letro alone and add nolvadex if i get no/little results. i have both on hand, but would rather save the nolva if i can get away w/ it. bad idea? do i need the nolva to act directly on breast receptors? has anyone you know of had success w/ letro alone? much appreciated.

Saving something can give you problems down the road. The longer you have the gyno, the harder it is to get rid of. Think of it this way, your 'savings' can amount to a $5000 gyno surgery.

 

[rock338]

So if taking 600mg of test and 500mg of eq a week and 40mg tbol week1-4 will .5mg of liquidex be enough to prevent gyno. What is a good ed dose of nolva to be safe 10mg or 20mg. Should both of these be started prior to cycle if so how much prior.

 

[Mr.X]

So if taking 600mg of test and 500mg of eq a week and 40mg tbol week1-4 will .5mg of liquidex be enough to prevent gyno. What is a good ed dose of nolva to be safe 10mg or 20mg. Should both of these be started prior to cycle if so how much prior.

I think you an I talked about this briefly. If you're gyno prone, 1mg ED is the way to go.

 

[Mr.X]

 

[Zuperman]

^^^^^^^^

 

[Mr.X]

^^^^^^^^

that's right ^^^^

 

[k6jatu37]

X, whats the thing w/ doing a pre-cycle run of nolva?
ive read nolva has helped ppl w/ existing gyno yrs later, think nolva+femera years later is better to reduce the size of 'old gyno' ?

 

[Mr.X]

X, whats the thing w/ doing a pre-cycle run of nolva?
ive read nolva has helped ppl w/ existing gyno yrs later, think nolva+femera years later is better to reduce the size of 'old gyno' ?

Some members have reported reducing gyno even after a few years, while others said it didn't help. The results with mature gyno vary. How long have you had your gyno?

 

[Mr.X]

How long have you had your gyno?

BUMP

 

[FreakMonster]

Ok what's the dosage again for someone with existing gyno already?

 

[Mr.X]

Ok what's the dosage again for someone with existing gyno already?

how long have you had the gyno?

 

[FreakMonster]

how long have you had the gyno?

About 4 yrs.

 

[Mr.X]

About 4 yrs.

I would try 2.5mgs letrozole (femara) ED + 40-60mgs nolvadex ED. After 4 years it's not a guarantee, but worth a shot.

 

[FreakMonster]

I would try 2.5mgs letrozole (femara) ED + 40-60mgs nolvadex ED. After 4 years it's not a guarantee, but worth a shot.

Ok thanks

 

[Mr.X]

Ok thanks

no problem bro

 

[Mr.X]

Some members have reported reducing gyno even after a few years, while others said it didn't help. The results with mature gyno vary. How long have you had your gyno?

k6jatu37, any reply ? bump

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

ag

 

[Mr.X]

^^

 

[Pipelaya25]

Ive had gyno for 1 year after taking a pro hormone called Monsterdrol XT and i was just taking 1.25mg of letro a day and 0.50 Prami at night before i went to bed for 3 weeks, my lumps are completely gone but both my nipples are still puffy( the lumps were tiny). i have around 9-10% BF and it looks weird since im ripped everywhere else. Would 1.25 letro ED and 10mg of tamox every day for awhile get rid of this puffiness?

 

[Idobehigh]

Ive had gyno for 1 year after taking a pro hormone called Monsterdrol XT and i was just taking 1.25mg of letro a day and 0.50 Prami at night before i went to bed for 3 weeks, my lumps are completely gone but both my nipples are still puffy( the lumps were tiny). i have around 9-10% BF and it looks weird since im ripped everywhere else. Would 1.25 letro ED and 10mg of tamox every day for awhile get rid of this puffiness?

Try not to reply on old threads especially ones since 2006 you can try forma stanzol for puffy nips usually does the trick so u don't feel like shit on letro

 

[hurricane]

letro all the way

 

[johnnyringo88]

Hey guys, had preexisting gyno that I thought I had under control. Recently started new cycle 300 mg(test/tren blend) and 40 mg of Tbol while running AI(arimidex). Within 2 weeks I had to stop gear because of the gyno flare up. I started nolva immediately and now running letro as well.
Does anyone have dvice on what I can take to prevent flareups while on gear? And how do I dose (nolva/letro) to treat preexisting gyno for the time being?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated.