After summer cycle...BULK

[Mentor]

Hello...

I would like some advice of a great bulk cycle.
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I have done 2 cycles before.

C.1 - Deca 400, Winny. (8 weeks) - Great gains
C.2 - Deca 400, Omna 500 (8 weeks)- No gains at all.

Think its kinda strange that my gains from the second cycle was so very small. Arond 3kg. (6,6lbs).

So now I want some advice. Wanna gain around 10kg (22lbs).

Have around 600$...
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Wanna know what to use, how I should eat.
And other information that will add some SIZE.
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Thinking - deca susta dbol - what du you think???

/// THANKS MENTOR

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, if you only gained that little on your second cycle, it is going to be difficult for you to make a jump of 22 pounds for your 3rd. What gains were made on the first cycle? Also, you don't mention anything at all about your diet, or your current size and bodyfat.

Anyways....
Aside from calling Mustang18, the master of cycles, I will do what I can.
I am thinking eq because it is cheaper than deca.
Test because it is cheap and effective.
I would also run this for 10 weeks. I would also try to hit over 1 gram/week. I am thinking eq at 400 and test at 500 week. That leaves room for one more, an oral or injectable, or upping the test to 750.

Do you have any ideas on orals? Any winny left from the first cycle (it is pretty pricey compared to test). Fina is dirt cheap, but I don't know how you feel towards it.

Hmmm, more info, please.

 

[Mentor]

Well further information.

My gains came after 3 weeks.
Gained all the mass during that week.

I didn´t eat anything special.
Just ordinary food, and added some 80g. of proten /day.

Stats:

21yrs.
183cm
101kg - 222,2lbs.
BF. dont know but not shredded.

 

[TxLonghorn]

Well, I still wanna know how much you gained (and kept) with your first cycle.

Also, I doubt you are gonna gain that much with your next cycle. But let me know what you think of this:

Weeks1-10 400mg Eq
Weeks1-10 500mg test (any kind, sust, enanthate,etc.)
Weeks1-10 50mg/day winny (most likely ttokkyo)
That would put you at 400+500+350=1250mg/week.

As for oral, Winny might be a good choice at 50mg/day. I just like winny so much better than dbol it's not funny. And I would even run it at 50mg/day for the entire length.

Lessee, how much would that be...160 for the eq, 400 for the winny (but you would have some left over), and the rest for test. That is about where you were wanting it, correct?

How does that look?

 

[Mentor]

That looks kinda good.
Would it hinder my gains if I ran Nolvadex through out the cycle.

On my first cycle I gained 10kg. (22LBS)
That was freaking Nice

 

[TxLonghorn]

On the nolva question, I don't know. I seem to have read different opinions on it. What I would do is have it ready if I needed it. Eq at that dosage isn't gonna aromatize, the test might, however. Just be observant, and if in doubt, hit the nolva.

As for the eq, it should increase your appetite (doesn't happen for everybody, but for most it does). This should help you pack some meat on. I think this is going to be more important than anything. Keep eating, and make sure you get enough protein. Juice helps, but it is not magic pixie dust that can make muscles out of thin air. You should be getting around 250gm protein/day. Also, you don't need to overeat. You shouldn't gain much fat at all on a bulking cycle. If you gain 10 pounds of fat, lay off the doughnuts!

Also, if the winny is too expensive, just hit something else fast acting. Another oral perhaps, or you could try some fina around 75mg/eod, or M-W-F type deal. Fina is fast acting and dirt cheap. The down side is that it has such a short ester, it needs to be shot every other day.

But this is up to you, have you read about anything that has piqued your interest?

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I think Txlonghorns cycle is a great cycle. I would run the Winny for the last 6-8 weeks max as it can be pretty hard on the liver though. If you can afford to get Winny you could do 30-35mg/Day of D-Bol for the first 5 weeks. A D-Bol, Test, Eq would be a great bulking cycle and with the right diet should yeild great gains. E-Mail or Pm me anytime if you need any help. Best of luck!

M18

 

[TxLonghorn]

Awwww, shucks Mustang...damn, where is that blushy face thingy, lol.

The reason I said run it for the whole 10 weeks is due mainly to fukkenshreddeds posts over on AF. Sure, he is probably the biggest winny fan ever, but he said that he always gets better results if he runs winny past the 8 week mark. I have only run it for 6 weeks in a row, but this next one is going to be 10 weeks.

But you are correct, it can be rough on the liver. I am also jaded about dbol. On 40mg/day I walked around saying 'smashy-smashy', and getting nosebleeds. Ohhhh, but the pumps, lol, you know for a fact Ahnuld was on dbol once you do a workout on dbol. How do you know? Because at that moment in time, the pump is better than coming.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

M18

 

[Mentor]

So it would be like this???
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And what about NOLVA - can I use it throughout the cycle???
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CYCLE
-------- EQ---Test--Winny
W1 -- 400 - 500 - 50/d.
W2 -- 400 - 500 - 50/d.
W3 -- 400 - 500 - 50/d.
W4 -- 400 - 500 - 50/d.
W5 -- 400 - 500 - 50/d.
W6 -- 400 - 500 - 50/d.
W7 -- 400 - 500 - 50/d.
W8 -- 400 - 500 --------
W9 -- 400 - 500 --------
W10 - 400 - 500 --------

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MENTOR