Advice needed

[caboom]

Hay guys,

I have been reading and researching posts for about a year know and I have decided it is time to start my first cycle.
I have been lifting for 2 years now. Iam 20 years old, 5'10 and weigh 70kg.
I want a 10 week cycle. Iam not shore what to do. Maybe Dbol and sus or Dbol and test.

Can you experianced bros make a cycle for me. People who have had succsess with there first cycle put your inputs in. Iam not looking to cut, I want to bulk up with muscle.
What do you think and what dosages?
Thanks C

 

[Silent Method]

How is your training going now? Are you making good gains? How much weight have you gained in the two years you've been training? How mych weight have you gained in the last year alone.

 

[John G]

Since it is your first cycle I would stick to Test by itself. You can easily put on lots of size for a first cycle. I personally would not do the sust because of the way the esters are released into the body. More specifically the timing that each ester is released. Do a Ethnate or Cypionate by itself at 400mg a week. Do 200mg twice a week Monday Thursday. Have all your stuff handy. Like your post cycle therapy (Clomid,Novladex <-- have this on hand just in case gyno) Take armidex during the cycle to keep Estro. Levels to a minimal level. My next cycle is going to be similar.

Weeks 1-10: 500mg test Ethnate or Cyp.
1 quarter tablet finascar ED (1.25mg)
1 quarter Tablet Arimidex eod (.25mg)
1 tablet Clomid Eod (50mg)

Week 11: 300mg test per week
Week 12: 200mg test per week

Week 13: stop the test
1.25mg finascar
.25mg arimidex ED
100mg clomid ed

Week 14:
1 quarter tablet arimidex every 3rd day
50 mg clomid ed

I want to add some Deca in there only I have to figure out how I am going to plan that out. But most likely I will stick to just the Test.

 

[caboom]

Thanks for the great response. SO all I should run is the test? How much armidex should I have and how many weeks do I run it.
For example do I run it for 8 weeks with the test and armidex at the same dosages for the ten weeks and then clomid for a few weeks tapering the clomid dosages? So you think that I will get justs as goods gains on the test and armidex than if I was running 4 different products.
I appreciate all input which is helpfull.

 

[EuroMan]

I wouldn't cycle the testosterone alone, I belive that you should add between 200mg of 400mg of nandrolone decanaote.

Your prefered choice of testosterone should be enathate. When the ester is uncoupled, you will have the most free testosterone from enathate compared to cypionate.

Regarding anti-estrogen 0.5mg/day of arimidex should be prefered.

Once you have taken your last shot of the nandrolone+enathate, you will have to wait 3 weeks before starting clomiphene therapy.

I desired you can use theese 3 weeks to gain even more mass.
An example could be a pure short 3 week testosterone propionate cycle.

 

[caboom]

Thanks man for the advice. I dont mind shooting the test two times a week but i dont want to shoot any more. Can you recamend a tablet form of drug to take with the test enathate for the cycle?

 

[gapster2000]

Make sure you have a sound diet first is the most important thing. The juice without food will do nothing except burn a hole in your pocket

I would probably use 800mg's of test a week with 6 d-bol. I would also make sure I'm eating plenty of good quality carbs and fats and plenty of protein.

 

[EuroMan]

Can you recamend a tablet form of drug to take with the test enathate for the cycle?

To be frank with you, I really can't advice any orals to anyone.

I have done around 15 cycles, and never touched orals. IMO it really is not necessary.

Dianabol will raise your testosterone level 5 fold, but your are already cover well with testosterone from the enathate.

If you should combine the enathate with anything but deca, I would go for primobolan. Remember that you can mix all the oil in one syring, no need to shoot twice.

 

[Silent Method]

caboom...

How is your training going now? Are you making good gains? How much weight have you gained in the two years you've been training? How mych weight have you gained in the last year alone.

 

[caboom]

I am currently taking a few weeks off. I have been making ok gains. I have maybe gained 5 kg.

 

[stonecold54]

is it just me or did you say that you researched for over a year. a lot of these questions you should be able to answer yourself. this isn't rocket science here. everyone pretty much uses the same combos of drugs. most of the more complicated stuff is the extras that we use to stave off side effects and post cycle therapy.

 

[caboom]

Alright, I have come to the conclusion of test/Dbol. Given my stats what dosages would you recamned and for how long. I like the idea of Dbol because one it is a tablet and 2 because it will be a great kick start.

Week 1 - 4 Dbol
Week 1 -10 Test
Week 11 Clomid 100mg
Week 12 Clomid 50mg ed
Week 13 50mg eod.

What do you think? Which test would be the best for me?

 

[bigdog20]

I would run just test at 500mg a week. You will see great gains. and you will know how your body reacts to test.

 

[Silent Method]

I am currently taking a few weeks off. I have been making ok gains. I have maybe gained 5 kg.

You've gained 5 kg in two years?

I'm not trying to be a dick but I think you should hold off on the gear for a while. Give yourself some time to learn how to eat, train, and grow without the drugs.

That being said, I'm pretty sure you're going to start a cycle regardless. I'm with bigdog20. Run 500mg of test for ten weeks, along with proviron as an anti-e and to help negate SHBG. You'll see how you react to the greatest base steroid there is without confounding the results with other drugs.

Trust us. If you train hard and eat right, 500 mg of test for ten weeks will pack on some noticable mass.

Good luck in whatever you decide.

 

[Saint7]

Bro I feel you. I to am getting ready to start my first cycle. What I would do since you said you want to do 10wks I would do sus at 500mg for 10 wks and start clomid therapy at 12wks. See how your body reacts and then on the second cycle try other based on the observation of your first cycle. use nolva at 20mg while up to clomid and have arimidex on hand to handle any bloat you my aquire. This should be a safe cycle as the dosages are moderate. If you feel a little daring maybe throw in some winny in at the last 2wks. I thinks the key to a first cycle is not so much the great results but seeing how your body reacts so that you can build on that later on. It is better to have modest results than to have somthing go wrong and don't know what to do about it. Your brother in the iron game, Saint7

 

[T2O]

Test no more than 400mgs eow and maybe some dbols 20-25mgs ed for a few weeks to kickstart

 

[T2O]

BTW my first cycle was 250mgs cyp and 20mgs anavar and got up to 40mgs ed anavar and was really pleaed with the results

 

[caboom]

Iam getting conflicting advice. I will run test at 350mg but should I run Dbol at 20mg as well or not?
What test would you recamend and when the dosage is at 350, does that mean that I take 350 on Tues and thurs or 175 on tues and thurs?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different opinions.

I lean more toward what Silent said but pesonally, I'm not a big believer in hard androgens for first time users, especially young guys. You don't need it.

200mgs of Primo a week for a month would yield excellant results if you know what you're doing. I guarentee you, if you took nothing but 25 mgs of d-bol, ate like a pig and trained like an animal, you'd grow like never before.

Once you get used to 500mgs of test, you'll soon need 800, and before you've barely touched your potential you'll be up to 1000 mgs of "help". That's why so many guys shoot 2 grams a week and look like nothing -- but big and fat.

The only anti-e you need is proviron but you won't even need that at these dosages.

 

[Joey_Zazza]

INTERESTING!

 

[caboom]

OK, I can see your point. Does anyone else agree? Has anyone just done a cycle of dbol? What were the resultsa like? Any input appreciated. I dont know whether to run test/dbol or just dbol.
Help

 

[02gixxersix]

aight yo first of all some of these replires are fuckin retarded but im not sayin which ones necessarily cause i dont wanna piss everyone off. run the test at 400 mg per week for 10 wks. fuck the d-bol you dont need it. IMO its too harsh for a begginer although so many people use it as their first cycle because you know how people are scared of injections. okay then in your cycle layout it says you want to start clomid in wk 11 even though someone already told you how to use it. you start clomid therapy 3 wks after your last test shot. this gives the test time to clear your system basically. second of all cummon bro if you have really been doing your research you would know all of this already. besides you could answer this question VERY easily with a search as this has ben asked 6 million times. so although im sure you're gonna do it anyways, cause i know i did on my first cycle although i regret it, you should make sure your diet is completely in check and you do A LOT more research. trust me bro im not tryin to be a dick but it will be EXTREMELY beneficial for you to lern more about AAS and diet and such before wasting your money. if you end up doing it right away then good luck. you should gain some serious poundage off a test only cycle.

 

[caboom]

Thanks bro, Iam just planning it out. This is the reason for some of the stupid questions, I will hopefully start it in 4 weeks or so. Do you know of any people that have done a test only cycle?How were there results? IS 400mg to high for my weight (70kg)

 

[justwannagetsum]

I have done test only, got great resluts. I think 02gixxersix was right about clomid. If you are determined to do an oral, do dbol(30) or winny (25-50) in the three weeks between your last test shot and clomid. I hate decreasing androgen levels. try 300-400 mg test, I got awesome results. That is plenty! Thats 5-6 times your natural test levels! And maybe .25-.5 mg arimidex a day until you finish clomid.... Good luck!
JWGS

 

[cabom]

OK,

Week 1-10
400mg test enathate (200tues and 200 thurs)

Week 1-15
armidex 0.5mg per day

Week 13
clomid 100mg ed

Week 14
clomid 50mg ed

Week 15 50mg clomid eod

And Nolvadex on hand incase of gyno.

My questions are this,
1. will I need nolvadex with just a test cycle? If so how much?
2. Do you think I should run dbol for weeks 1-3 at 20mg per day to help kick start?

 

[Silent Method]

Get enough nolvadex that you could run it at 10-20mg everyday of your cycle and a few weeks past. That way you will be assured to have more than enough on hand.

I think you should forget about d-bol for this first run and just use the test.

**The timing of clomid therapy in relation to your last shot will vary with the type of ester used. I believe that for enanthate, you will want to start the clomid two weeks, not three, after your last shot.


I think 400mg of enanthate (and the armidex) for ten weeks will give you great results provided you train, eat, and recover right. The only thing I'd add to the cycle is proviron at 25-50mg per day.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Great advice guys. And by the way, how many of you have children? How many of you ARE children?

caboom: You're going to listen to strangers on a message board who suggest you stay on drugs for three and a half months? Most of these people have no life beyond bodybuilding and steroids.

Do yourself a favor and ignore this crap before you fuck yourself up. Or take a couple of d-bol for a week or two just to get the "I tried steroids" bug out of your system. Learn how to train like a man.

Trust me on this. You won't go wrong.

 

[Silent Method]

Great advice guys. And by the way, how many of you have children? How many of you ARE children?

caboom: You're going to listen to strangers on a message board who suggest you stay on drugs for three and a half months? Most of these people have no life beyond bodybuilding and steroids.

Do yourself a favor and ignore this crap before you fuck yourself up. Or take a couple of d-bol for a week or two just to get the "I tried steroids" bug out of your system. Learn how to train like a man.

Trust me on this. You won't go wrong.

I agree with this in theory. caboom, this is the advise you should take.

 

[cabom]

Why the sudden change of heart. Why hasnt this happend to every other thred.
I will drop the dbol and run the test enth 400 a week and clomid for weeks 12/13/14. If iam just running test will I need nolvadex (if yes than I will get 10mg per day incase) and armidex at 0.5mg per day and run it through to the 14th week.
Is my post cycle ok? What do you think should change?
I think I have finally got the right cycle that will suit me.

 

[Silent Method]

Why the sudden change of heart. Why hasnt this happend to every other thred.
I will drop the dbol and run the test enth 400 a week and clomid for weeks 12/13/14. If iam just running test will I need nolvadex (if yes than I will get 10mg per day incase) and armidex at 0.5mg per day and run it through to the 14th week.
Is my post cycle ok? What do you think should change?
I think I have finally got the right cycle that will suit me.

Are you refering to me regarding the "change of heart?" If so, read back a couple of posts where I said "I'm not trying to be a dick but I think you should hold off on the gear for a while. Give yourself some time to learn how to eat, train, and grow without the drugs."

From what you have given me, I still feel this way. However, if you choose to use steroids, I hope you do so in a safe and productive manner.


I think you'll be happy with test e at 400mg/week. You probably will not need the nolvadex (especially because you're using armidex ), but it's a good idea to have it on hand just in case.

 

[cabom]

I am starting the dieting again now and wont be taking the test for atleast 2-3months. Iam just planning, like I said. I will be running the test then. Thanks for your advice and help. It is appreciated.