Advice needed

[caboom]

OK, I can see your point. Does anyone else agree? Has anyone just done a cycle of dbol? What were the resultsa like? Any input appreciated. I dont know whether to run test/dbol or just dbol.
Help

 

[02gixxersix]

aight yo first of all some of these replires are fuckin retarded but im not sayin which ones necessarily cause i dont wanna piss everyone off. run the test at 400 mg per week for 10 wks. fuck the d-bol you dont need it. IMO its too harsh for a begginer although so many people use it as their first cycle because you know how people are scared of injections. okay then in your cycle layout it says you want to start clomid in wk 11 even though someone already told you how to use it. you start clomid therapy 3 wks after your last test shot. this gives the test time to clear your system basically. second of all cummon bro if you have really been doing your research you would know all of this already. besides you could answer this question VERY easily with a search as this has ben asked 6 million times. so although im sure you're gonna do it anyways, cause i know i did on my first cycle although i regret it, you should make sure your diet is completely in check and you do A LOT more research. trust me bro im not tryin to be a dick but it will be EXTREMELY beneficial for you to lern more about AAS and diet and such before wasting your money. if you end up doing it right away then good luck. you should gain some serious poundage off a test only cycle.

 

[caboom]

Thanks bro, Iam just planning it out. This is the reason for some of the stupid questions, I will hopefully start it in 4 weeks or so. Do you know of any people that have done a test only cycle?How were there results? IS 400mg to high for my weight (70kg)

 

[justwannagetsum]

I have done test only, got great resluts. I think 02gixxersix was right about clomid. If you are determined to do an oral, do dbol(30) or winny (25-50) in the three weeks between your last test shot and clomid. I hate decreasing androgen levels. try 300-400 mg test, I got awesome results. That is plenty! Thats 5-6 times your natural test levels! And maybe .25-.5 mg arimidex a day until you finish clomid.... Good luck!
JWGS

 

[cabom]

OK,

Week 1-10
400mg test enathate (200tues and 200 thurs)

Week 1-15
armidex 0.5mg per day

Week 13
clomid 100mg ed

Week 14
clomid 50mg ed

Week 15 50mg clomid eod

And Nolvadex on hand incase of gyno.

My questions are this,
1. will I need nolvadex with just a test cycle? If so how much?
2. Do you think I should run dbol for weeks 1-3 at 20mg per day to help kick start?

 

[Silent Method]

Get enough nolvadex that you could run it at 10-20mg everyday of your cycle and a few weeks past. That way you will be assured to have more than enough on hand.

I think you should forget about d-bol for this first run and just use the test.

**The timing of clomid therapy in relation to your last shot will vary with the type of ester used. I believe that for enanthate, you will want to start the clomid two weeks, not three, after your last shot.


I think 400mg of enanthate (and the armidex) for ten weeks will give you great results provided you train, eat, and recover right. The only thing I'd add to the cycle is proviron at 25-50mg per day.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Great advice guys. And by the way, how many of you have children? How many of you ARE children?

caboom: You're going to listen to strangers on a message board who suggest you stay on drugs for three and a half months? Most of these people have no life beyond bodybuilding and steroids.

Do yourself a favor and ignore this crap before you fuck yourself up. Or take a couple of d-bol for a week or two just to get the "I tried steroids" bug out of your system. Learn how to train like a man.

Trust me on this. You won't go wrong.

 

[Silent Method]

Great advice guys. And by the way, how many of you have children? How many of you ARE children?

caboom: You're going to listen to strangers on a message board who suggest you stay on drugs for three and a half months? Most of these people have no life beyond bodybuilding and steroids.

Do yourself a favor and ignore this crap before you fuck yourself up. Or take a couple of d-bol for a week or two just to get the "I tried steroids" bug out of your system. Learn how to train like a man.

Trust me on this. You won't go wrong.

I agree with this in theory. caboom, this is the advise you should take.

 

[cabom]

Why the sudden change of heart. Why hasnt this happend to every other thred.
I will drop the dbol and run the test enth 400 a week and clomid for weeks 12/13/14. If iam just running test will I need nolvadex (if yes than I will get 10mg per day incase) and armidex at 0.5mg per day and run it through to the 14th week.
Is my post cycle ok? What do you think should change?
I think I have finally got the right cycle that will suit me.

 

[Silent Method]

Why the sudden change of heart. Why hasnt this happend to every other thred.
I will drop the dbol and run the test enth 400 a week and clomid for weeks 12/13/14. If iam just running test will I need nolvadex (if yes than I will get 10mg per day incase) and armidex at 0.5mg per day and run it through to the 14th week.
Is my post cycle ok? What do you think should change?
I think I have finally got the right cycle that will suit me.

Are you refering to me regarding the "change of heart?" If so, read back a couple of posts where I said "I'm not trying to be a dick but I think you should hold off on the gear for a while. Give yourself some time to learn how to eat, train, and grow without the drugs."

From what you have given me, I still feel this way. However, if you choose to use steroids, I hope you do so in a safe and productive manner.


I think you'll be happy with test e at 400mg/week. You probably will not need the nolvadex (especially because you're using armidex ), but it's a good idea to have it on hand just in case.