Advice: Check out this cycle

[bcox32]

I am 5'8 weighing 165 pounds, have body fat of 14%, I am 23 years old have been working out since high school, and have been watching what I eat ( little to no sugars, low amount of carbs, high amout of protein chicken turkey fish and 6 meals a day etc...) For the past 2 years. I am getting ready to start my first cycle. I am wanting to put on about 30 pounds at least and cut it down to pure muscle. I wanted to hear what you guys thought of my research so far.

Week 1-8 250 mg every 5 days of test e
week 4-8 50 mg of winstrol depot every other day
weeks 1-8 1mg of arimidex every day

I am wondering if I should do 10 weeks instead of 8 of the test e, and put the winstrol during the last four weeks.

Two weeks after last injection Start PCT with clomid for 4 weeks
1st day 300mg
100mg every day

I also have novaldex on hand in case sign of gyno appear, and if it does i will take 20mg a day until the signs go away.


I plan to eat 3g protein per pound of body weight, and get about 20 calories per every pound.


Please tell me what you guys think. Thank you very much

 

[bcox32]

Also I need help on what kink of workout to do with my cycle thanks

 

[tiggerizme]

Personally I think you can put on another 20lbs just with a good diet.. Bump your calories.. But who the hell ever takes that advice huh?

Take your Test out to 10 or 12 wks.. Run it @ 500mg/wk
Dbol wks 1-4 @ 30mg/ed
Winny wks 8-12 50mg/ed
Adex .5mg/ed for bloat..

Hmm????

 

[JohnnyWest]

Alot of people will tell you could put more muscle on naturally which you could.

Anyway, I think it would be best to run the test for 10 weeks, and run the winny week 6-12 and then go straight into pct. you can also use .5mg adex ed, you shouldn't need 1mg. keep nolva on hand if you start getting problems, run it at 40mg for a week and then 20 for rest of cycle and through pct.

 

[mr. snakes]

I am 5'8 weighing 165 pounds, have body fat of 14%, I am 23 years old have been working out since high school, and have been watching what I eat ( little to no sugars, low amount of carbs, high amout of protein chicken turkey fish and 6 meals a day etc...) For the past 2 years. I am getting ready to start my first cycle. I am wanting to put on about 30 pounds at least and cut it down to pure muscle. I wanted to hear what you guys thought of my research so far.

Week 1-8 250 mg every 5 days of test e
week 4-8 50 mg of winstrol depot every other day
weeks 1-8 1mg of arimidex every day

I am wondering if I should do 10 weeks instead of 8 of the test e, and put the winstrol during the last four weeks.

Two weeks after last injection Start PCT with clomid for 4 weeks
1st day 300mg
100mg every day

I also have novaldex on hand in case sign of gyno appear, and if it does i will take 20mg a day until the signs go away.


I plan to eat 3g protein per pound of body weight, and get about 20 calories per every pound.


Please tell me what you guys think. Thank you very much

wk 1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
wk 10-14 winstrol 50mg/ED
wk 1-14 Adex .5mg/ED

 

[SwolK]

I dont think you are going to put on 30 pounds with that cycle, but if you have not maxed out your natural genetic capibilities...then maybe.

i like your low dose for you first cycle. i would drop the adex to .5 mg per day.
i would run the test for 10 weeks

 

[lowpro]

wk 1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
wk 10-14 winstrol 50mg/ED
wk 1-14 Adex .5mg/ED

 

[Juiced]

No doubt run the Test E at 500mg for 12-14 weeks to get the best results, I would also run the winny weeks 1-4 and 8-12 at 40-50mg ed oral.....Good luck....

 

[Prizz]

Bah.... Come on, fuck the winstrol..... It's your 1st cycle, stick with just Test..... Sounds like your naturally a bit lean, so Test with Arimidex will make you look plenty hard and vascular...... Winny is a great drug, dont' get me wrong, but I feel guys over use it thinking it's gonna make them look shredded..... Winstrol is best used when youre already ripped up, and not looking to build mass..... I'd say just use the Test with Arimidex, and you'll be happy..... Don't use too many drugs in your 1st cycle, it's not needed, and youre gonna grow like crazy with just Test.....

rizz

 

[bcox32]

what kind of workout should I do while I am on the cycle

 

[Prizz]

what kind of workout should I do while I am on the cycle

What kind are you doing now? You should always lift heavy, and include the standards like Bench, Deadlift, Squat, the usual classic exercises..... Shoot for 6-8reps per set.... If you can do more then 8, add weight, if you can't do 6, take some off..... This is a good guideline....

rizz

 

[steelmass]

what kind of workout should I do while I am on the cycle

Its good that you're asking - do more research before you jump on AS.

 

[bcox32]

I am just doing a regular workout not an anabolic one. I workout 3 times a week with the basics with about 10 to 12 reps, and then do cardio 3 times a week. I have read alot about how you are suppose to do a different workout when on as. Should a person lift everyother day or 5 days straight with weekends off? I am curious what I should do to get the best results.

 

[bcox32]

No doubt run the Test E at 500mg for 12-14 weeks to get the best results, I would also run the winny weeks 1-4 and 8-12 at 40-50mg ed oral.....Good luck....

If I take it oral do I just put it in a glass and drink it... or are you talking about the pills

 

[SwolK]

I am just doing a regular workout not an anabolic one. I workout 3 times a week with the basics with about 10 to 12 reps, and then do cardio 3 times a week. I have read alot about how you are suppose to do a different workout when on as. Should a person lift everyother day or 5 days straight with weekends off? I am curious what I should do to get the best results.

bro, i know i gave advice above, but i have changed my mind.

the more i read, i do not think you are ready for AS. you need to eat and train more. also more then 3 times per week IMO.

not trying to flame you, just giving my honost advice. you probably have already made up your mind and wont heed my advice anyway. good luck in what ever you do, but i think you should wait

 

[yamamoto]

Tooo much a-dex man, I think I once read a study that said that there is very little difference between 0,5mg, 1mg and even 10mg och A-dex/ED. Probably just more sides.

 

[Prizz]

bro, i know i gave advice above, but i have changed my mind.

the more i read, i do not think you are ready for AS. you need to eat and train more. also more then 3 times per week IMO.

not trying to flame you, just giving my honost advice. you probably have already made up your mind and wont heed my advice anyway. good luck in what ever you do, but i think you should wait

Yeah word, I agree man...... You don't really know enough about training and AAS to start..... You can make SERIOUS gains by training and eating right.... Permenant gains that won't leave you..... You need as much natural muscle as possible before doing AAS, the AAS will just stack on top of your natural frame, and you'll get much better results..... I guess no matter how much we tell you youre not rdy, you will do it anyway.....

As far as training goes, your best bet is to do a 4 day split..... That means you train on Mon Tues, off Wed, then train again on Thurs, Fri, off the weekend.... You should do 1 body part per week, esp if you are naturally lean, and have a hard time building muscle naturally..... Example is Mon- Chest/Triceps, Tues- Back and Bi's, Wed- off, Thurs- Legs, Fri- Shoulders..... This gives your body plenty of rest to allow the muscles to grow..... If you work the muscles more, you will over-train them, and they won't grow....

Diet, you wanna eat alot of food, but keep it clean.... By clean, I mean keep the sugary carbs low, and the protein/fat higher..... This fuels the body with building blocks to build muscle, and you won't store as much fat since insulin lvls will be kept low..... I would start with 3000cals per day, and adjust the diet from there..... If youre gaining some fat, you can cut back on the cals..... If your not building much muscle, you can add some cals..... This will vary from person to person, and this is important to know about yourself.... Knowing how your body responds to food is THE BIGGEST PART of training...... Food makes you grow, plain and simple....

I think this is a good starting point for ya..... Do this for a while, learn how your body reacts to training and food, and then down the road you can do AAS..... If you don't wanna listen to me, and do AAS anyway, I can't stop you, but I just don't think it's smart...... Feel free to PM me if you want more details on anything I posted here..... Good luck bro....

rizz

 

[SwolK]

"You must spread some Karma around before giving it to Prizz again."

 

[bcox32]

If I hold off how long should I hold off til

 

[SwolK]

If I hold off how long should I hold off til

until you learn more about diet(bulking or cutting) and training.

both the diet and training forums here a awesome. go check them out. The people in the diet forum have helped me out many times.

your goal is to gain lean body mass???? im assuming.

from your stats and age, i think you can gain alot of lean body mass and loose fat naturally.

btw, im not flaming you or saying that you dont know how to train or eat, im just saying it looks like both could use a lot of work. then you will gain more naturally...then you will have a better base for starting AS