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Advantages & Disadvantages... Long & Short Cycles?

flexdaddyz71

flexdaddyz71

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I'm four wks from being done with a Dekka/Test-E cycle. I've always ran my cycles between 12-16 wks. The crazy thing is that 90% of my overall gains were done between wks 3-7. What is the advantage to running cycles so long if there is hardly any potential gains after wk 8? I've never ran a short cycle, but wouldn't it be worth a try? If nothing else.... I could switch up the gear and run a few more cycles a yr. Is this crazy or does anyone agree? My scheduled spring cycle is a 16 wker running Prim-o/Test-E/Anavar/Tren-A/WinV. Do I need to shorten this cycle or continue as planned? Will there be any advantage to running this cycle for 16wks? I've always ran the cycles for 12+ wks because this is what I was taught years ago.
 
You are right that most but not all gains are made in the 3-8 week range but if you stop there the gains mostly go away.....not sure why, except maybe that the muscle is not mature enough for the body to hold on to so stick with longer cycles if you not tested
 
I prefer 6-8 weeks. When I get past 10 I seem to become really tired all the time. My training partner has noticed the same thing. I also recover way faster with 6 weeks than with 10-12. the nice thing about longer cycles is I use less gear per week, which means less acne. Shorter cycles I'll run a touch heavier and I notice in about 4 weeks that my back is starting to break out.
 
cboogsrun said:
I prefer 6-8 weeks. When I get past 10 I seem to become really tired all the time. My training partner has noticed the same thing. I also recover way faster with 6 weeks than with 10-12. the nice thing about longer cycles is I use less gear per week, which means less acne. Shorter cycles I'll run a touch heavier and I notice in about 4 weeks that my back is starting to break out.
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Just out of curiousity, what's the difference in your recovery time from 6 weeks to 10 weeks because I don;t notice much for me, it's about 3 weeks for me to recover regardless if I do 6,10 20 weeks.
I actually crushed 2x times on shorter cycles something I can;t explain except maybe that my hormons were all over the place.
 
Varga said:
You are right that most but not all gains are made in the 3-8 week range but if you stop there the gains mostly go away.....not sure why, except maybe that the muscle is not mature enough for the body to hold on to so stick with longer cycles if you not tested
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Not true. The longer you stay on the LESS likely you are to hold gains. It just seems that way because it take more time to lose more weight.

I've always felt the best gains were earlier and recovery time after 6 weeks increases dramatically. What does that tell you as far as the most effective way to go?
 
Nelson Montana said:
Not true. The longer you stay on the LESS likely you are to hold gains. It just seems that way because it take more time to lose more weight.

I've always felt the best gains were earlier and recovery time after 6 weeks increases dramatically. What does that tell you as far as the most effective way to go?
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Bump ^
 
I used to run longer cycles in the past 16-20 weeks. From now on it would only be 12 weeks max. I really start to see the gains slow down after 10 weeks. Also it is much easier for "me" to recover when I ran shorter cycles.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Not true. The longer you stay on the LESS likely you are to hold gains. It just seems that way because it take more time to lose more weight.

I've always felt the best gains were earlier and recovery time after 6 weeks increases dramatically. What does that tell you as far as the most effective way to go?
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I must be the exception then LOL, I love 20 weekers. That's all I do all summer and take winter off and keep more gains than a short cycle. I feel that muscle maturation is better the longer I can pound that muscle with heavier weights IMO
I have more problems crushing with shorter cycles than the 20 weeks, how is that possible? I would like to hear feedback on this one!

I was talking to a bro about the fact that I never crush after long cycles(20 weeks) and I'm back normal within 3 weeks altough I take longer with P C T just to make sure and he said that was kind of freaky and that I was lucky

Anyone wants to chime in who does long cycles?
 
I am pretty much on all year

why were you being trivial in the beginning of the thread if you run long cycles yourself
 
Nelson Montana said:
Not true. The longer you stay on the LESS likely you are to hold gains. It just seems that way because it take more time to lose more weight.

I've always felt the best gains were earlier and recovery time after 6 weeks increases dramatically. What does that tell you as far as the most effective way to go?
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that makes absolutely no sense to me. it sounds contradictory. the longer your on the less likely to keep gains. but you say it takes more time to lose more weight so the more weight you put on, longer cycle, the longer you keep them. so that first sentence is contradictory.

the second one are you saying recoverytime after a 6 week cycle? as opposed to a longer one? i can't answer your question until i know what direction you are on this.
 
My next cycle, keepin it short and sweet :)

wk 1-4 Winstrol 50mg
wk 1-6 Test E 400mg
wk 6-8 Dbol 20mg
wk 6-8 Prop 150mg
 
Cryptlord said:
My next cycle, keepin it short and sweet :)

wk 1-4 Winstrol 50mg
wk 1-6 testosterone enanthate 400mg
wk 6-8 Dianabol - methandrostenolone - 20mg
wk 6-8 testosterone propionate 150mg
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why not run the dbol in the front and dry it up in the back with the winny
 
yea i started today and i actually switched it to that...

wk 1-2 Dbol 40mg
wk 1-6 testosterone enanthate 400mg
wk 5-8 Winstrol 50mg
wk 6-8 testosterone propionate 150mg
 
jagerbombme said:
that makes absolutely no sense to me. it sounds contradictory. the longer your on the less likely to keep gains. but you say it takes more time to lose more weight so the more weight you put on, longer cycle, the longer you keep them. so that first sentence is contradictory.

the second one are you saying recoverytime after a 6 week cycle? as opposed to a longer one? i can't answer your question until i know what direction you are on this.
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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. It's easier to hold smaller gains than large ones due to lots of factors, homeostasis being the main one. But the longer you're on, the longer it takes to recup and that leasd to loss of gains. If you're considering losing weight slowly as "keeping gains" then we're not on the same page. To me, keeping gains means gaining X amount of muscle and keeping it for good. I'd rather gain 10 pounds and keep 8 in 6 weeks than gain 30 pounds and lose 25 of them it over the course of a couple of months. But to each his own.
 
holy ghost said:
I am pretty much on all year

why were you being trivial in the beginning of the thread if you run long cycles yourself
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Not sure what was trivial but I do not do a bulker for 20 weeks for example......I essenscialy do a bulker followed by a cutter in one cycle with one P C T. This way I can save some money too for not doing a 2nd P C T.

Most of my "bulking" gains are in the first 10 weeks but that's not the point of my longer cycle. Second part I focus on other things I want to acomplish like definition and symetry.
 
Nelson Montana said:
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. It's easier to hold smaller gains than large ones due to lots of factors, homeostasis being the main one. But the longer you're on, the longer it takes to recup and that leasd to loss of gains. If you're considering losing weight slowly as "keeping gains" then we're not on the same page. To me, keeping gains means gaining X amount of muscle and keeping it for good. I'd rather gain 10 pounds and keep 8 in 6 weeks than gain 30 pounds and lose 25 of them it over the course of a couple of months. But to each his own.
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If ppl know how to train, how to eat and have a good understanding of anabolics what you just said is flawed Nelson. Losing 25lbs out of 30 gained is absurd to me......unless someone is a genetic mess

Although to give you credit I've seen instances of stupidity but these are ppl
who just eat poorly, train whenever they feel like it and just do not understand how compounds work especially P C T, then you right.
 
cal_21 said:
Recovery should be a breeze.

I was thinking about snorting Anadrol for crazy strength gains.... :evil:
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I think i am going to run a 4 week pct to just be safe. Naw mean? And ghost you are crazy!! But hey i bet you are huge so if it works due it!
 
holy ghost said:
im doing Dianabol - methandrostenolone - and Clenbuterol for PCT - post cycle therapy -
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My man, I'm not sure dball and clenn can be called PC T!!!
 
I personally prefer longer cycles. I've planned some 8 week cycles. But when I'm in week 6 or 7 I dont wana stop yet so I've always extended them to 12 or 16 weeks.
 
Nelson Montana said:
My man, I'm not sure dball and clenn can be called PC T!!!
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Its not nelson lol, Im being trivial.

I will send needto a pic of me in january, shredded
I might send you one too ol' nelson.


as for now only 702 can vouch for me
so feel free to assume im from bb.com

JK LOL
 
Holy! I was basically stating that I would like to try a shorter cycle because I've noticed that with every cycle I've ever did in the past that the gains slacked off alot after about week 7 (using the same gear thorughout the entire cycle). The only cycle this didn't happen with is the cycle I did in 06. I basically stacked blend & dekka wks1-8, then switched to tren & winV. I got the exact results I wanted. Size wk1-8, then ripped from wk8-14. I was just interested in ppl's input on the fact that shorter cycles may give better gains because the receptor's don't have the chance to get totally saturated. Therefore making recovery time quicker... inturn making time between cycles less. Agree or disagree? With that being said, what would be your favorite 6-8wk mass cycle or cutting cycle. Thanks boys!
 
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