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blownvette

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I am fairly new to AS, and this may be a coincedence, but after a couple of simple, 6-week cycles (dbol 20/day & test enan 500/wk), I developed severe pain in my left testicle. I had surgery to remove a few small veracose veins from the testicle, but it still hurts, bad. I have no idea whether the pain was from the veins, the AS or what.
Has anyone ever heard of getting severe pain in a testicle from going on or coming off of AS? Is that what may have caused it?
 
why yes...

tell your girlfriend/wife or significant other to pay extra attention to that testicle.

a few 10 minute ball licking sessions sure help.

blowing air on your balls while getting head is another favorite.


no karma necessary.. i'm just tryina help

:D
 
I've seen several people post about that problem; they think it's due to shutting down and starting back up your natural production.

Try taking HCG during your next cycle to prevent atrophy, and hopefully the pain...
 
My balls feel like they are going to explode halway through a cycle with deca. It is fairly normal dude, but you should not be cripple!
 
go get your girl and you figure it out, tell her your not sure what he means, but it's fun for both of you.

she shoudl be sucking your balls for atleast an hour until she figures out you conned her ;)
 
AustinTX said:
I've seen several people post about that problem; they think it's due to shutting down and starting back up your natural production.

Try taking HCG during your next cycle to prevent atrophy, and hopefully the pain...
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This is the exact reason I started the hcg DURING cycle this time out...and I am happy to report after 8 weeks that the pain/atrophy has been signinficantly reduced with using 1000 iu /week.
I will definitely be incorporating this into all future cycles I do...
 
The Terminator said:


This is the exact reason I started the hcg DURING cycle this time out...and I am happy to report after 8 weeks that the pain/atrophy has been signinficantly reduced with using 1000 iu /week.
I will definitely be incorporating this into all future cycles I do...
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Do you do the 500iu on Sat/Sun routine as originally suggested once by Realgains throughout the cycle ? I think that's what I am going to do from now on too.
 
Thank you AustinTX and The Terminator for your suggestions. The Terminator: Can you give me an example cycle of test enan and hcg, so I can see exactly when to use the hcg and how much? Do you do the 1000 IU/wk from the beginning and every week throughout the whole cycle?
I can not do another cycle without this help, as the pain in my case is absolutely cripling
 
blownvette said:
I am fairly new to AS, and this may be a coincedence, but after a couple of simple, 6-week cycles (dbol 20/day & test enan 500/wk), I developed severe pain in my left testicle. I had surgery to remove a few small veracose veins from the testicle, but it still hurts, bad. I have no idea whether the pain was from the veins, the AS or what.
Has anyone ever heard of getting severe pain in a testicle from going on or coming off of AS? Is that what may have caused it?
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Yea ive had the same problem and had sergery 2 years ago and have done 2 cycles and after the last cycle i used clomid and they were killing me didnt even want to lift anyhow I went to the doctor and he told me it could be because my epididmitis was inflamed and put me on cipro for 2weeks well that didnt seem to be enough or some else was wrong so anyhow he told me to go on for a month so now im getting tired of taking all this antibiotics so i go and have a second appionion well before i get in to what he said when i was at the docs who did the sergery i still saw a small lump on the left side he said not to worry its all fibroses and scare tissue so I was like okay then figuring nothing was wrong well the second doc looked at it and didnt feel nothing so he wanted to have an ultrasound done well after i had that he noticed that i still have a small varacasele on the left side and a little on the right but nothing to worry about surgery for, so now im pissed i went threw all that and i still have one but any how he said 2 weeks was not enough so I went to 1 month on cipro and i just came off and so far so good no pain. Also before i had this serious pain this time i had it last year at the same time but not as bad so he put me on for 2weeks and went away. well while i was on the cipro i started reading all this stuff about hcg and atrophy balls so i decided to take because i felt that may be the cause to i was still shut down from deca so i did that at 1000iu eod 3weeks and my balls went back down in the sack. So im telling you that maybe betweeen both they helped me or maybe just one but i feel your pain ive been deeling with this for a couple of months and it was horrible So go to the docs if the hcg does nt work or do both which i did and it worked have him check your epiditimis and where the vain was done(i even had pain going up to my stomach it was so bad) because scare tissue may also cause this and they can give you a shot to break it up if they think that is it. just go to the docs and if your balls are atrophy then do the hcg but let me know how you made out please and if you have any other questions
 
cdownie927: Thanks very much for responding. My left nut started hurting badly on March 2, 2003 (almost 3 months ago). I went to 5 doctors, and finally the last one did the veracacele operation on me 3 weeks ago. He said my epididymis is OK, and found nothing else wrong when he opened me up except the small veracose veins, which he fixed. Now, 3 weeks after the operation, I still hurt, but not quite as bad.
I want to do a simple cycle of test enan @ 500/wk, but I'm afraid of what might happen. Should I use hcg, and if so, exactly when during the cycle, and how much. I'm skinny (5' 10", 140 lbs), and really want to put on some lbm, but I don't want to aggrivate the nut problem. Your input would be appreciated.
Thanks
 
junk said:


Do you do the 500iu on Sat/Sun routine as originally suggested once by Realgains throughout the cycle ? I think that's what I am going to do from now on too.
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I didn't realize Realgains had posted on this some time ago. I put my head together with a few other members (mostly asking questions and formulating what might work best) The consensus was that 500 iu every Sat and Sun. was a good option (I have been doing 1000 iu every Sat. instead, as the the hcg injection leaves my injection site sore for a few days...:confused: ), but I think that 500 iu twice is probably slightly better...

But I was also getting the soreness/tenderness in one testicle only (for the past few cycles) but I started the hcg at week 3 this time and it has helped with the sensitivity/tenderness greatly since then, so I will definitley be doing this in all future cycles...
 
Do you use the hcg from week 3 all the way to the end of the cycle, or when do you stop the hcg?
Also, I know I'm really going to sound stupid, but can I use my 23 gauge pins and inject IM, or do I do it sub-c?
Thanks.
 
blownvette said:
Do you use the hcg from week 3 all the way to the end of the cycle, or when do you stop the hcg?
Also, I know I'm really going to sound stupid, but can I use my 23 gauge pins and inject IM, or do I do it sub-c?
Thanks.
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I am only in week 8-9 right now, so I've only been doing this for 5-6 weeks. But after the first time it was noticeably less painful. I would have started at week one but was hoping (I guess) that this time I would not get it...but I know better than that, I get it everytime...Next cycle I will certainly start it after the first week....(as a preventative thing, instead of waiting for it to set in)
 
AustinTX said:
I've seen several people post about that problem; they think it's due to shutting down and starting back up your natural production.

Try taking HCG during your next cycle to prevent atrophy, and hopefully the pain...
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During the cycle?
 
joack said:

During the cycle?
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Yes, the idea came to me from reading posts originally by LAWNSAVER, and the science behind it looked good, so I figured with the pain I was experiencing it was worth a shot. I had nothing to lose...(except maybe a testicle :eek2:...and that's not funny)
 
original HCG post by RealGains.
with the search feature being plat now, none of the newbies get to read gems like this...


WHAT

HCG or Human Chorionic Gonadotropin is a hormone produced by the Placenta.
In males it is very similar to LH which is produced by the pituitary to stimulate testosterone production.

WHY


When you take AAS the hypothalamus senses an excess in androgen and stops producing GnRH and then the pituitary stops producing LH as a result. When this happens the testes get no LH signal from the pituitary and they stop producing testosterone. It doe
't take much AAS to shut the testes down.
Now when the testes are no longer working to produce testosterone they start to atrophy. Shrinkage starts quite soon and by 4 weeks there has already has been some shrinkage, even though you may not notice any. By week 8 the testes have definately shrun
and if you measured their size before the cycle you will certainly notice a difference.
Lets say you stop a cycle of test cyp after 8 weeks. You then wait for a couple weeks and start clomid. The testes are still small at this time and are having a hard time producing optimum levels of testosterone and you end up loosing a fair amount of t
hard earned muscle from the cycle.
SO...if you PREVENT testicular shrinkage, or at least bring the boys back to size BEFORE the cycle ends, then they will be able to respond to LH well and produce decent amounts of testosterone post cycle with clomid therapy.
LET IT BE WELL KNOW THAT LH RECOVERS PRETTY RAPIDLY POST CYCLE IN MOST MEN, unless you have been "on" a very long time, BUT THE TESTES DO NOT, unless you have used HCG.

So if you want to keep more gain then be sure to use HCG.

HOW

HCG could be used every other day at 500iu's throughout a cycle to prevent testicular shrinkage.
HCG can be used at 500iu's per day during the two middle weeks of a cycle and then again during the last two weeks of a cycle or during the time one is waiting for the high hormone levels to clear, BEFORE clomid.
If you are cheap or poor and can't afford to use HCG as above then at least use it for two weeks at cycles end or during the last two weeks of the cycle itself.
HCG can be taken either IM in the muscle or sub Q in the fat. I like to take it sub q with a TB or slin syringe and a tiny pin.

Some people use HCH in larger doses spread out over a few weeks and with clomid. The probelm with this is HCG will raise testosterone production A LOT and estrogen also climbs as a result of aromatization so the high test and high estrogen can be inhibi
ry in itself and prolong recovery. It would be akin to lengthening the cycle with low dose test but with large testes. The proponents of this style of HCG usage do not use HCG during a cycle because they are afraid that the HCG will desensitize the test
to natural testosterone. This indeed can happen with HCG use but ONLY IF large doses are taken over many weeks and 500iu's per day IS NOT a large dose and does not result in desensitization. The proponents of this style are also in the minority by far.

NOTE: Always have Nolvadex or clomid on hand when taking HCG as both act as estrogen blockers at the breast and will prevent gyno form highish levels estrogen.

So use HCG...it's cheap and very effective. Clomid alone will do VERY LITTLE to help save hard earned muscle mass if your testes have shrunk to dime size after a long cycle.
 
So, it sounds like my problem (badly hurting testicle) was probably caused by cycling without the use of hcg during the cycle and by the veracose veins at the same time. I am recovering, but it still hurts some. I guess it probably doesn't make sense to start another cycle (hcg or not) until the pain is completely gone. This means that I lose everything I gained. Would it do any good to use hcg now (4 weeks post cycle) to help the testicle pain & recovery, or just sit tight and wait it out?
 
you could use HCG now, but you'd have to start over on your clomid or nolva post-cycle afterwards (or at least for 2 weeks post HCG)
 
If I do use some hcg now, would it reduce the pain? If the pain is due to testicular atrophy, would it follow that bringing them back up to size would reduce or eliminate the pain?
 
blownvette said:
If I do use some hcg now, would it reduce the pain? If the pain is due to testicular atrophy, would it follow that bringing them back up to size would reduce or eliminate the pain?
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If you use hcg now it will cause a rise in endogenous testosterone, thus causing a rise in estrogen. If you do it you better make sure and have plenty of nolvadex on hand (as it may aggravate gyno, or any other number of estrogen related symptoms. But being this far post cycle I don't think it would be the greatest idea. Perhaps doing 500 iu eod for a week and see how it affects you...it may not help at all, but it may give you back most of your testicular mass...I don't know if it's something I would do though. But if the pain is still that bad and atrophy is still noticeable I might give it a shot if I were you. You could even play it real safe and use arimidex with it...
 
T, you've been really helpful; thank you!
Well, I don't really know if my balls are back to their normal size or not. I never paid that much attention bfore (remember, I'm new to AS). I should have looked.
The pain, however, is still severe. It's now 3.5 weeks from the surgery, so the pain must be due to the shutdown, right? I do have plenty of nolva, clo & arimidex on hand, but I'm just not sure what to do.
Question: If I start some hcg, how long until I should notice some difference in the pain?
 
you guys must all remember that he just had surgery to fix that problem of a varcasile or however it is spelled. I had that done so i know what to expect and what happens I allready explained to you that it is a bad idea do to the fact a varcasile is an over sizied blood veisle in your scrotum that restricts blood to the testies. now the surgery DOES NOT cure instantly it takes time to heal which can take 6 months then is when i would see if your balls are atrophy and maybe take something to see what happens but you must remember you just got surgery YOUR GOING TO HURT FOR A WHILE they cut and tie the vein off maybe do some research about the surgery you just had the reason you had pain before is because you had restricted blood flow do your balls thats why i asked how do you know if your balls are atrophy you really dont know so just wait , your body goes threw alot of stress after a surgery so stop worring and rest and definitly dont lift for a while because all your strain goes to your balls!!!!
 
You're a good man, cdownie927; Thank you. Tell me though: How long did your pain last after the surgery? I mean the really severe pain?
 
Well, it's been 4 1/2 months now since the pain started, and my balls still hurt like HELL. I'm ready to blow my brains out. Should I try some HCG and see if that fixes the problem?
 
bro if you are in pain try the hcg what do you have to lose i myself get some nut pain while on a cycle but it comes and goes it is never always there is that what yours is its always there?
 
blownvette said:
Well, it's been 4 1/2 months now since the pain started, and my balls still hurt like HELL. I'm ready to blow my brains out. Should I try some HCG and see if that fixes the problem?
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Ok this thread is too old now. Being this far removed from the cycle I would guess that most atrophy experienced has probably reversed itself for the most part naturally. I would go see a Urologist....and quickly.
 
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