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MASSIVEMONSTER

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really thinking of adding igf at 40mcg a day to my PCT with nolva and trib.
have gained nicely and hoping to keep nearly all my gains during 6 weeks off gear.
worried about cancer developing with the igf but what is the real chances of someone 26 years old getting cancer with a few cycles of igf??
 
I was considering adding igf myself for after this sus deca cycle now your talking about cancer with IGF I have not heard that one before deffinatately want to bump this for some info
 
its the same as with hgh....

igf/hgh will NOT cause cancer!

however, if you have an existing cancer, igf and/or hgh MAY make it bigger.. this has NOT yet been confirmed but scientists have hypothesized about it.
 
satch,

so the chances of having a tumor at a young age is unlikely for sure so using hgh and igf isnt really a danger is it?
Surely if it was a danger there would be bb`s all over with cancer????
my question is though... Is it possible to have a tumor which may stay dormant for 10-15 years but using hgh/igf may speed it up to say 1 year or so or would having a tumor mean your fucked anyway in the very near future??
Satch i need more info to rest my mind!!!!
 
I have been reading up on IGF and I have seen reports that state IGF can affect the recurrence, growth, and aggressiveness of endocrine tumors. There are quite a few reports out there that infer IGF should NOT be taken if you have tumors/cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=15867218&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum


As for causing cancer outright I have not read anything that IGF-1 will do this - from my research it looks safe as long as it is used in moderation. I am sure long term use and abuse will lead to problems.

I am considering doing a cycle this summer after my next cutting cycle. If you decide to use it post your results here.

FYI, from what I have read 100mcg day is recommended. Not sure if 40 mcg would be sufficient but who knows.

Here is a good site with tons of IGF-1 info - and it is from the National Center for Biolotechnology Research. TONS of reports - very legit data here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=gene&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Graphics&list_uids=3479
 
i think 100mcg is too much from my readings. Maybe i will buy 2mg worth and run 60mcg a day for the five weeks during pct. just scared of this cancer lark.
what i wanna know is surely if you have a tumor your fucked anyway so doing igf will only let you know that bit sooner wont it. it cant cause cancer and almost everyone wont have a tumor in them to begin with so running igf isnt a problem. can anyone clarify this?
 
Not flamming you Massive, but I'm so sick of hearing about IGF and cancer..... Just like Tren and Kidney stress, tired of that shit too..... There is no evidence that IGF causes cancer, just like there are no studies that prove Tren causes Kidney stress..... If you have cancer, you shouldn't use IGF or HGH, but if you don't, it's not gonna cause a tumor..... If you are gonna post something saying a drug does something: Like IGF causes cancer, or Tren stresses the Kidneys, then plz post the studies that back that information up..... Again, not saying you said that Massive, I'm just commenting.....

If there are no studies, then it just isn't true, and it's pure fabrication..... And just for the record, I have no affiliation to getigf.com, so this is coming from a bro that is just trying to give you info.... There are alot of rumors out there about specific AAS and other drugs..... One thing you gotta remember: Proof is in the putting..... You need studies to back those rumors up..... If not, they are just Rumors.... Use the IGF bro, it will help you keep your gains, and you will be happy..... Ok, I'm done ranting....

rizz
 
good post rizz. didnt mean to rattle on about the same shit but jsut wanted opinions thats all. i will purchase the igf after all and see how it goes.
 
Prizz said:
Not flamming you Massive, but I'm so sick of hearing about IGF and cancer..... Just like Tren and Kidney stress, tired of that shit too..... There is no evidence that IGF causes cancer, just like there are no studies that prove Tren causes Kidney stress..... If you have cancer, you shouldn't use IGF or HGH, but if you don't, it's not gonna cause a tumor..... If you are gonna post something saying a drug does something: Like IGF causes cancer, or Tren stresses the Kidneys, then plz post the studies that back that information up..... Again, not saying you said that Massive, I'm just commenting.....

If there are no studies, then it just isn't true, and it's pure fabrication..... And just for the record, I have no affiliation to getigf.com, so this is coming from a bro that is just trying to give you info.... There are alot of rumors out there about specific AAS and other drugs..... One thing you gotta remember: Proof is in the putting..... You need studies to back those rumors up..... If not, they are just Rumors.... Use the IGF bro, it will help you keep your gains, and you will be happy..... Ok, I'm done ranting....

rizz


lol..
im with you 100% bro :)
 
Go to google and type "IGF-1 Cancer" and then start reading. One of the quotes from a British Study:

"Given the increasing evidence of the risk of cancer, caution should be exercised in the exogenous use of either insulin-like growth factor-I or substances that increase concentrations of it," they state.

British Medical Journal October 7, 2000;321:847-848"


Also, calorie restriction (CR), which has been show to increase lifespan in animals is thought to be due to lower levels of IGF-1 and Insulin.


You should also finds studies on the correlation with prostate cancer and IGF-1 levels.


Correlations are not prove of anything. So, IGF-1 may or may not be a factor.

But we don't know. So, I don't believe that we can say that IGF-1 cannot increase cancer risk. I believe this idea that the idea of IGF-1 is only a factor if you already have cancer is false.

So, would running a small cycle of IGF-1 increase your risk of cancer? My theory is that prolonged elevation over many years is probably a factor. So, myself I am not worried about trying IGF-1 for a short period . In fact, I plan on ordering this weekend. But I see the possibility that IGF-1 prices could possible drop and that chronic use may follow.


Also, it can up to a decade (maybe longer) for some cancers to spread to the point where it is detectable So, the truth is, the substances that we take and their consequences will probably not be known for many years to come.
 
so where is your studies that says that IGF does not cause cancer! :chomp:

Prizz said:
Not flamming you Massive, but I'm so sick of hearing about IGF and cancer..... Just like Tren and Kidney stress, tired of that shit too..... There is no evidence that IGF causes cancer, just like there are no studies that prove Tren causes Kidney stress..... If you have cancer, you shouldn't use IGF or HGH, but if you don't, it's not gonna cause a tumor..... If you are gonna post something saying a drug does something: Like IGF causes cancer, or Tren stresses the Kidneys, then plz post the studies that back that information up..... Again, not saying you said that Massive, I'm just commenting.....

If there are no studies, then it just isn't true, and it's pure fabrication..... And just for the record, I have no affiliation to getigf.com, so this is coming from a bro that is just trying to give you info.... There are alot of rumors out there about specific AAS and other drugs..... One thing you gotta remember: Proof is in the putting..... You need studies to back those rumors up..... If not, they are just Rumors.... Use the IGF bro, it will help you keep your gains, and you will be happy..... Ok, I'm done ranting....

rizz
 
buckwheat1 said:
Go to google and type "IGF-1 Cancer" and then start reading. One of the quotes from a British Study:

"Given the increasing evidence of the risk of cancer, caution should be exercised in the exogenous use of either insulin-like growth factor-I or substances that increase concentrations of it," they state.

British Medical Journal October 7, 2000;321:847-848"


Also, calorie restriction (CR), which has been show to increase lifespan in animals is thought to be due to lower levels of IGF-1 and Insulin.


You should also finds studies on the correlation with prostate cancer and IGF-1 levels.


Correlations are not prove of anything. So, IGF-1 may or may not be a factor.

But we don't know. So, I don't believe that we can say that IGF-1 cannot increase cancer risk. I believe this idea that the idea of IGF-1 is only a factor if you already have cancer is false.

So, would running a small cycle of IGF-1 increase your risk of cancer? My theory is that prolonged elevation over many years is probably a factor. So, myself I am not worried about trying IGF-1 for a short period . In fact, I plan on ordering this weekend. But I see the possibility that IGF-1 prices could possible drop and that chronic use may follow.


Also, it can up to a decade (maybe longer) for some cancers to spread to the point where it is detectable So, the truth is, the substances that we take and their consequences will probably not be known for many years to come.
This could very well be the case but the fact is THIS IS A NEW DRUG and research takes time!IGF-1 stops programmed cell death in cells with damaged DNA which can cause cancer.
 
Busamuscle said:
This could very well be the case but the fact is THIS IS A NEW DRUG and research takes time!IGF-1 stops programmed cell death in cells with damaged DNA which can cause cancer.

I believe my post was agreeing with this. In fact, I wrote this exact same thing in another post a couple of weeks ago. Text from another article I just found. Note the words tumor promoter and the part about "cancer initiation".
Note also the part where carcinogen in the absense of IGf-1 did not cause tumors, while with IGF-1 did. I think we get confused when we say IGF-1 causes cancer. I don't see evidence that IGF-1 causes mutations which I believe are the direct cause. But it is possible that IGF-1 can inhibit the cell death of the mutant cell causing to become cancer. This is at least how I read the information.


Anyways...




"Suppression of growth hormone and insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) also may decrease cancer risk in those individuals at high risk for disease, and perhaps could be a preventive measure, said William E. Sonntag. Ph.D., the lead investigator, who based his findings on research in rats.

He said IGF-1 is an important blood-borne factor that increases cell growth and prevents cell death and has been proposed to be a factor in the initiation of cancer.

"Elevated IGF-1 levels in pre-menopausal women have been demonstrated to be a risk factor for breast cancer as well as numerous other cancers," said Sonntag, professor of physiology and pharmacology at the School of Medicine, a part of Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

IGF-1 in the blood also may act as a tumor promoter during the early development of cancer, he said.

Although additional research is needed, he said, drugs in the somatostatin class are currently available to suppress growth hormone and IGF-1 in people, so somatostatin analogs could be given as preventative measures to lower plasma IGF-1 before the onset of disease, especially in high-risk people.

In a previous study, rats with high levels of growth hormone (a circulating factor that increases IGF-1 levels) exhibit an increase in spontaneous mammary tumors. Dwarf animals with 50 percent lower IGF-1 levels do not develop tumors in response to a chemical carcinogen. But Sonntag said that if these dwarf rats are given growth hormone to increase IGF-1 in the blood, tumors develop at the same rate as in the normal animals.

Suppression of IGF-1 activity inhibits the proliferation of numerous cell types and cancers. "IGF-1 levels in the blood can be reduced by low-calorie diets, which could be a mechanism for the diet-cancer relationship," said Sonntag, whose work explores the neurobiology of aging.

Previous studies in some animals indicate that a reduction in IGF-1 activity increases lifespan. To date, there are no studies of a specific suppression of IGF-1 on aging or age-related diseases.

In the current study, Sonntag found that a life-long deficiency of IGF-1 decreased cancer risk by approximately 45 percent and decreased cancer deaths by 12-15 percent.

"Besides reducing the incidence of cancer in these rats, we found that a modest suppression of plasma IGF-1 beginning shortly after puberty and continued throughout life reduces the incidence of kidney disease and increases lifespan," Sonntag said.

###

The research was supported by the National Institutes of Health, an American Federation of Aging/Pfizer grant, and the Claude D. Pepper Older Americans Independence Center at Wake Forest Baptist.
 
buckwheat1 said:
I believe my post was agreeing with this. In fact, I wrote this exact same thing in another post a couple of weeks ago. Text from another article I just found. Note the words tumor promoter and the part about "cancer initiation".
Note also the part where carcinogen in the absense of IGf-1 did not cause tumors, while with IGF-1 did. I think we get confused when we say IGF-1 causes cancer. I don't see evidence that IGF-1 causes mutations which I believe are the direct cause. But it is possible that IGF-1 can inhibit the cell death of the mutant cell causing to become cancer. This is at least how I read the information.


Anyways...




"Suppression of growth hormone and insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) also may decrease cancer risk in those individuals at high risk for disease, and perhaps could be a preventive measure, said William E. Sonntag. Ph.D., the lead investigator, who based his findings on research in rats.

He said IGF-1 is an important blood-borne factor that increases cell growth and prevents cell death and has been proposed to be a factor in the initiation of cancer.

"Elevated IGF-1 levels in pre-menopausal women have been demonstrated to be a risk factor for breast cancer as well as numerous other cancers," said Sonntag, professor of physiology and pharmacology at the School of Medicine, a part of Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

IGF-1 in the blood also may act as a tumor promoter during the early development of cancer, he said.

Although additional research is needed, he said, drugs in the somatostatin class are currently available to suppress growth hormone and IGF-1 in people, so somatostatin analogs could be given as preventative measures to lower plasma IGF-1 before the onset of disease, especially in high-risk people.

In a previous study, rats with high levels of growth hormone (a circulating factor that increases IGF-1 levels) exhibit an increase in spontaneous mammary tumors. Dwarf animals with 50 percent lower IGF-1 levels do not develop tumors in response to a chemical carcinogen. But Sonntag said that if these dwarf rats are given growth hormone to increase IGF-1 in the blood, tumors develop at the same rate as in the normal animals.

Suppression of IGF-1 activity inhibits the proliferation of numerous cell types and cancers. "IGF-1 levels in the blood can be reduced by low-calorie diets, which could be a mechanism for the diet-cancer relationship," said Sonntag, whose work explores the neurobiology of aging.

Previous studies in some animals indicate that a reduction in IGF-1 activity increases lifespan. To date, there are no studies of a specific suppression of IGF-1 on aging or age-related diseases.

In the current study, Sonntag found that a life-long deficiency of IGF-1 decreased cancer risk by approximately 45 percent and decreased cancer deaths by 12-15 percent.

"Besides reducing the incidence of cancer in these rats, we found that a modest suppression of plasma IGF-1 beginning shortly after puberty and continued throughout life reduces the incidence of kidney disease and increases lifespan," Sonntag said.

###

The research was supported by the National Institutes of Health, an American Federation of Aging/Pfizer grant, and the Claude D. Pepper Older Americans Independence Center at Wake Forest Baptist.

I remeber your post and I was agreeing with you! :)
 
Busamuscle said:
so where is your studies that says that IGF does not cause cancer! :chomp:


I don't have one, but am i making statements without studies to back them up? No..... My studies that show IGF doesn't cause cancer is in the same place where it says AAS causes liver cancer, right sided heart failure, Kidney cancer, prostate cancer, increased rage, lower sex drive, smaller nuts, etc etc..... My point is that it's all speculation, we don't know for sure unless we have scientific evidence to back it up...... Asprin doesn't cause cancer, where are my studies to back that up? Not trying to get into a flame war with you Busa, and I understand where you are coming from, but your question doesn't really make sense......

rizz
 
Prizz said:
I don't have one, but am i making statements without studies to back them up? No..... My studies that show IGF doesn't cause cancer is in the same place where it says AAS causes liver cancer, right sided heart failure, Kidney cancer, prostate cancer, increased rage, lower sex drive, smaller nuts, etc etc..... My point is that it's all speculation, we don't know for sure unless we have scientific evidence to back it up...... Asprin doesn't cause cancer, where are my studies to back that up? Not trying to get into a flame war with you Busa, and I understand where you are coming from, but your question doesn't really make sense......

rizz

I was just trying to make a piont that we don't know either way.Even if a cell has damaged DNA it does not mean you will get cancer there are a few factors that have to be in place to allow cancer to survive in the body!Piont is use good judgment,if cancer runs in the family don't use IGF,this is a new drug lets be cautious fellas :) .
 
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