Abortion-do women have the right to kill?

[velvett]

He he , not when she's cheating on her spouse/father of her children (who went and had a vasectomy (holy hell does that poor bastard know the meaning of the word "deception" !!!!) with some kid.....
Some interesting morals we have on here he he...

Cheating on your spouse is an entired different moral issue and has little to do directly with whether or not woman have the right to choose.

 

[Mandinka2]

On its own efforts, show me a leech drawing from another for the benefit of the host. What you have done is added another agent into the equation: man, whose nature is to reason, and in doing so has the power to manipulate nature to his desires. A chair is not a tree, but it has this potential, if man so desires. If left on their own, neither the tree nor the leech has the nature to change into the agent described.

Your example is more telling of what man can do, than the idea of parasitism.

Dude , I would but I can't post pics in this forum : not plat you see . Argue within definitions , that is the point of definitions. Listen I don't wish to make it seem like I'm baiting you - you make some good arguments and you make them well but you go and throw in some silly loose remarks and it kills it. There is another glaring example on this thread and I really don't want to drag it out , primarily because the thread is going nowhere (and I had been enjoying it and applauding your effort) .

 

[Mandinka2]

Cheating on your spouse is an entired different moral issue and has little to do directly with whether or not woman have the right to choose.

You're completely right but I couldn't contain myself when she threw the vasectomy into that..... I'm still incredulous !
I could be a shit now and point out parallells between choosing to damage irrepearably another party through selfish/convenience but fuck it (indirect arguments I grant you) , but it still says a shit load about a person and their (deep breath) "morality".

 

[Werd]

Is this what you default to when confronted with a stance that you do not like?

Might as well put a cardboard box over your head and call that reality. Tough way to live.

Honestly, I could care less about the stance either way. I have conceded the arguement. You are right and I am wrong.

But those are pretty strong words coming from a man.

I said it once and I will say it again - if this were an issue that had to do with men, this debate wouldn't be happening. The one thing that a man can't control but gosh-darnit he will sure try to: a woman's reproductive life. Such altruism and good intentions. All of the sudden we are talking morality and starving children and gassing old people because a man said so.

Please spare me.

That is no cardboard box. That is reality. I am female. Welcome to my world.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

The one thing that a man can't control but gosh-darnit he will sure try to: a woman's reproductive life. Such altruism and good intentions. All of the sudden we are talking morality and starving children and gassing old people because a man said so.

Please spare me.

That is no cardboard box. That is reality. I am female. Welcome to my world.

I don't believe the government or laws have any role in this, neither in preventing abortions nor offering a single taxpayer nickel to assist in it.

For me this is a discussion of morality alone. I have no interest in the legislation of morality.

So chill out.

 

[Mandinka2]

I said it once and I will say it again - if this were an issue that had to do with men, this debate wouldn't be happening. The one thing that a man can't control but gosh-darnit he will sure try to: a woman's reproductive life. Such altruism and good intentions. All of the sudden we are talking morality and starving children and gassing old people because a man said so.

Please spare me.

That is no cardboard box. That is reality. I am female. Welcome to my world.

Well Werd I think that you are not thinking now - I could say the same thing about male circumcision and your argument would fall.
As to female tyrants a few off the top of my head:
Catherine the great
Queen Mary of Scots ("Bloody Mary")
Countess Elisabeth Bathory
If a man would damage intentionally the sexual organs of a woman a la Lorena Bobbit , would he walk ????


Not on your nellie

 

[Werd]

I am not upset by this debate in the least, nor do I find it particularly emotional.

right/wrong or indifferent.... morality or government regulation

Until there is a way for us to "grow people" any other way it is a woman's body. The baby is in her. You can argue out the ying/yang about when life begins, blah, blah, blah...

There is one fact here - women carry fetuses, not men.

Everything else is rhetoric. You can hate me, call me stupid, whatever. I am forced to think of life in very simple terms. If you break it down to it's simplest form...

"Do you want to be right?.... or happy?" Me, I don't need to be right. I leave that to everybody else.

 

[atlantabiolab]

I am not upset by this debate in the least, nor do I find it particularly emotional.

right/wrong or indifferent.... morality or government regulation

Until there is a way for us to "grow people" any other way it is a woman's body. The baby is in her. You can argue out the ying/yang about when life begins, blah, blah, blah...

There is one fact here - women carry fetuses, not men.

Everything else is rhetoric. You can hate me, call me stupid, whatever. I am forced to think of life in very simple terms. If you break it down to it's simplest form...

"Do you want to be right?.... or happy?" Me, I don't need to be right. I leave that to everybody else.

More examples of the Philosophy of Stupidity. Please explain to us why in other cases of aggression you immediately find moral clarity? If another beats you up or steals from you, how come you quickly ascertain right and wrong? Why is your philosophy of "Me, I don't need to be right" quickly dropped?

Because you pull morality out of your ass only when it is convenient to you, and hide it when it is not. When your actions have repercussions, you scream ignorance of everything and claim the supremecy of subjectivism. You desire to act without thought and be free from repercussions.

 

[Werd]

You are right and I am happy.

 

[Apöllo]

Anyone here against birth control?