Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

[RyanH]

Inheritance is not a constitutional right, it's only a right granted by individual states......Further, inheritance is expensive since its taxed, and by giving the very wealthy the right to inherit the nation's wealth becomes controlled by the many of the same families, generation after generation.

A truly capitalistic society should work for what it gets. Do third generation Rockefellers or third generation Kennedy's really work for what they've obtained? We know the answer. The great Tocqueville warned against dynastic wealth.

We should finally hear the call.......Allow proportional inheritance for minors and deserving spouses, but after a certain amount, the money should pour back into the hands of our great nation.

Sustaining true capitalism requires sustaining a work ethic. Much of the nation's wealthy have yet to recognize that ethic. Abolish inheritance!!!!

Ryan.

 

[smallmovesal]

um, i just don't sympathise. i'd like some inheritance

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

Hell no! My clone is going to get all my riches! The second generation DcupSheepNipples is going to have lot's of fun when I kick the bucket! And that's the bottom line cause Sheep Nipples Said so!

 

[spentagn]

Well you'd be fucked, huh?

 

[RyanH]

I've already told my parents to leave me nothing.......If they do, I plan on dislaiming the gift, which by law I can do.

I'll take heirlooms, family shit, but I won't take their money....It would be put to better use by establishing a scholarship trust for poor kids..........

 

[spentagn]

Uh-huh. Nice of them to pay for college though.

 

[RyanH]

I just love being BENEVOLENT......

 

[MP5]

Good idea, we need the government to tell us that we are not allowed to leave our prized possesions to whom we choose. Typical democrat, maybe we should all leave our wealth to some minority group to send blacks to college or buy mexicans their hairnets.

 

[RyanH]

Uh-huh. Nice of them to pay for college though.

that's totally different.....

P.S. DAMN it feels good to have a night off from studying.

 

[Mdguy]

That's all in good, but HOW would you get a bill like that passed? We all know that money influences politicians and there is no way that they would vote for something like that in behest of their wealthy 'constituents'
BTW..you should then also abolish all types of trusts, where money can be passed tax-free to beneficiaries, and have to change corporate law also. Even if you have no inheritance allowed, there will be ways around it

 

[RyanH]

Typical democrat, maybe we should all leave our wealth to some minority group to send blacks to college or buy mexicans their hairnets.

Or maybe we should leave our wealth to establish a trust for victims of hate crime....i.e. the KKK lynching some innocent bystander because of the color of his skin, or an African American hard-working citizen being pulled by a truck, treated as nothing more than disposable property.

But that's not as important as a few white males being precluded from the ivy league school of their choice because a few college seats are reserved for the disadvantaged?

 

[RyanH]

That's all in good, but HOW would you get a bill like that passed? We all know that money influences politicians and there is no way that they would vote for something like that in behest of their wealthy 'constituents'
BTW..you should then also abolish all types of trusts, where money can be passed tax-free to beneficiaries, and have to change corporate law also. Even if you have no inheritance allowed, there will be ways around it

Gift and estate taxes still apply to most trusts.

 

[spentagn]

that's totally different.....

Not really. How bout we privatize Social Security, abolish death taxes, and permanently increase GDP by 5%? (Before you ask, that estimate is by Martin Feldstein of Harvard University)

 

[MP5]

African American hard-working citizen
Where?

And...those whitetrash guys that killed them were sentenced to death thanks to the Republicans.

 

[spentagn]

Or maybe we should leave our wealth to establish a trust for victims of hate crime....i.e. the KKK lynching some innocent bystander because of the color of his skin, or an African American hard-working citizen being pulled by a truck, treated as nothing more than disposable property.

Too bad more blacks have been tried for hate crimes than whites.

But that's not as important as a few white males being precluded from the ivy league school of their choice because a few college seats are reserved for the disadvantaged?

I don't go to an Ivy league school. But I do go to a school that's still fighting for race-based admissions. Therefore, I am qualified to call bullshit.

 

[RyanH]

I never said that it will happen, I'm just posing a hypothetical scenario that I deem desireable.

But maybe some bold state like Vermont or Massachusetts will stop forward and say..........."put that last will and testament down.....that money belongs to society after you're dead."

Fine, enjoy your money while your living, but after you're dead, that money should go back to where it came from-----society's hands.

 

[spentagn]

I never said that it will happen, I'm just posing a hypothetical scenario that I deem desireable.

But maybe some bold state like Vermont or Massachusetts will stop forward and say..........."put that last will and testament down.....that money belongs to society after your dead."

Fine, enjoy your money while your living, but after you're dead, that money should go back to where it came from-----society's hands.

And so will mark the end of every parent's dream for their children to be better off than they are.

 

[RyanH]

And...those whitetrash guys that killed them were sentenced to death thanks to the Republicans.

If there's one thing many Republicans are attracted to---it's death.....i..e. their love for the tobacco industry or their fascination with guns and the gas chamber.

The Republican party of "God" is really the Party of "death and dung"......(to quote T.S. Eliot.)

 

[RyanH]

And so will mark the end of every parent's dream for their children to be better off than they are.

Why shouldn't a child have to grow-up and work hard, like his parents? On the one hand, you endorse capitalism, but on the other hand you want to pass it down for rich kids to sit on their asses and control much of the nation's economy....until the end of time.

Where's the logic in that?

 

[RyanH]

Too bad more blacks have been tried for hate crimes than whites.



I don't go to an Ivy league school. But I do go to a school that's still fighting for race-based admissions. Therefore, I am qualified to call bullshit.

Everyone benefits from race-based admissions in the end...it's necessary to level the playing field......

 

[Sushi X]

maybe we can take ryans inheritance and use it to pay that trucker who was beaten to a pulp by those rioter in the L.A. riots. how about the funerals for all the unborn aborted babies this goveernment allows each year all in the name of convience? better yet, how about we take all of our inheritances and use it to rebuild a nation that houses terrorists? you pick.

 

[KiTtEn WiTh A wHiP]

A truly capitalistic society should work for what it gets.

Bolly wolly to that, chap! But don't you bloody well think that since I damn well earned every quid in my purse then I damn well should be able to decide if I want my little ones to have after I've gone?

 

[RyanH]

maybe we can take ryans inheritance and use it to pay that trucker who was beaten to a pulp by those rioter in the L.A. riots. how about the funerals for all the unborn aborted babies this goveernment allows each year all in the name of convience? better yet, how about we take all of our inheritances and use it to rebuild a nation that houses terrorists? you pick.

those aborted "babies" are really fetuses & they have no right to life until they become viable.

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

Bolly wolly to that, chap! But don't you bloody well think that since I damn well earned every quid in my purse then I damn well should be able to decide if I want my little ones to have after I've gone?

Wouldn't you rather have your children work for that money?

Where's everyone's work ethic, tonight?

 

[Sushi X]

upon conception there is life, life is viable therfore those babies are viable. hence my point, let's use inheritances to pay for all the funerals.

 

[KiTtEn WiTh A wHiP]

Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

Wouldn't you rather have your children work for that money?

I'd bloody well rather have my children have an inheritance than to leave it the bloody government! That's blood well right, governor! I'd much prefer my children to have houses they can blood right said Fred call their own rather than for Tony Blair to go out and buy another Tomahawk missile!

 

[KAYNE]

NO, THE THIRD GENERATION KENNEDY'S AND ROCKERELLER'S DIDNT WORK FOR WHAT THEY HAVE.


I KNOW IF I WORK FOR SOMETHING ALL MY LIFE AND THE TIME COMES WHEN I DIE, I WANT MY FAMILY TO HAVE IT. WHY SHOULD SOMEONES PRIVATE ASSETS (BE IT CASH OR WHATEVER) BE TAKEN AWAY UPON DEATH??? IT SHOULDNT.


RYANH...........THIS IS REALLY AMONG THE TOP 5 OF YOUR WORTHLESS, DYSLEXIC VIEWED POSTS. RIGHT UP THERE WITH THE ONE WHERE WE SHOULD RAISE OUR TAXES TO GIVE TO THE AFGHANS!!! COME ON MAN, GET A GRIP!!!


KAYNE

 

[spentagn]

Why shouldn't a child have to grow-up and work hard, like his parents? On the one hand, you endorse capitalism, but on the other hand you want to pass it down for rich kids to sit on their asses and control much of the nation's economy....until the end of time.

Where's the logic in that?

They should work hard. Inheritance can be a head start. Or it can be the ticket to a free ride. That's called freedom.

 

[spentagn]

Everyone benefits from race-based admissions in the end...it's necessary to level the playing field......

No, better primary education is necessary to "level the playing field."

 

[spentagn]

those aborted "babies" are really fetuses & they have no right to life until they become viable.

So they have a right to death then?

 

[gymtime]

that's totally different.....

P.S. DAMN it feels good to have a night off from studying.

Sorry I'm late. But how is this different? You're happy to let your parents pay for your college. And, since you're becoming an attorney, it's reasonably likely that you'll be quite well off long before your parents pass. How very altruistic of you Ryan.

 

[musclebrains]

I suspect Barrister H is playing provocateur. My memory is that he said he was the beneficiary of a trust fund that has gotten him through school A trust fund is certainly an inheritance.

For the record, I did refuse my inheritance. It was not worth the legacy that came with it. I sometimes regret this. In fact I don't recommend it.

 

[Milhouse]

well let me speak on behalf of anyone who is currently working in A family business and say a big FUCK YOU!!

I have worked for almost 10 years in the same biz from the bottom(started at min wage) and to the position I am in now.

I have gone thru poverty, hunger, debt you name and never asked for anything(I live and run a territory 5 hours from my fam biz head office). Lemme tell you something and my old man knows this too. I could have gone and worked for other places and made more for doing A 10TH of the work ok. And while he was buying huge houses, cars etc I was working pay to pay and trying to put food on my table, plus I BUY shares every year.

Now my stake in the family biz is presently 2 million on paper and dont get me wrong I love what I do for a living. But to think of things I have given up, the shit I have put up with being the boss's son( and in a real company you work for family wise trust me the boss's son gets it worst by the employees and the boss because the employees think you are getting a free ride while boss man gets you for every little screw up that happens) that I think inheritance should be abolished? are you fucking insane?
I like you Ryan I think you instill good debates here and will continue to think that but frankly if you did not have Daddy's money to put you thru school and you did not have what you want now you would not be thinking like this trust me.

I could have had all you had but my dad gave us nothing and made us work for it in poverty literally

Fuck my dad just installed an $18000 stove in his kitchen and I siliently grumbled and did not ask for fuck all nor do I expect it

I will take what he has givcen us and make it bigger in the future and employ many more people who need jobs too at that so think about that part please.

 

[Lao Tzu]

do you know what alot of those people do with that money? they invest it or give it to charity. both of which greatly help the economy & alleviate suffering.

if you give it to the gov, they will fuck it up just as badly. but we will lose some rights in the process.

so it comes down to.


let your money (semi efficently) help people directly & indirectly

or

let your money (semi efficently) help people directly & indirectly AND lose your constitutional rights at the same time.

i chose the former.

 

[Warik]

Too illogical to even touch, but I'll say some words for the hell of it.

Suppose I live to be 100.

Suppose in the 80 years from now till then, I accumulate $100,000,000 worth of assets - cash, property, stocks, bonds, cds, blahblahblablah.

I want to leave it to my children.

You taxed me on it the first time I earned it. Fuck you if you think you'll do it again.

That is all.

-Warik

 

[Warik]

They should work hard. Inheritance can be a head start. Or it can be the ticket to a free ride. That's called freedom.

Speaking of free rides, isn't giving a large inheritance to the government in order for it to pass it on to the poor giving the poor a free ride? Shouldn't the "giver" of such a large inheritance decide who gets the free ride?

Oh wait... we're speaking democratically here - not logically. Duh

 

[Frackal]

Good idea, we need the government to tell us that we are not allowed to leave our prized possesions to whom we choose. Typical democrat, maybe we should all leave our wealth to some minority group to send blacks to college or buy mexicans their hairnets.

---keyoard-fukked---i-agree-with-MP5-

 

[Frackal]

NO, THE THIRD GENERATION KENNEDY'S AND ROCKERELLER'S DIDNT WORK FOR WHAT THEY HAVE.


I KNOW IF I WORK FOR SOMETHING ALL MY LIFE AND THE TIME COMES WHEN I DIE, I WANT MY FAMILY TO HAVE IT. WHY SHOULD SOMEONES PRIVATE ASSETS (BE IT CASH OR WHATEVER) BE TAKEN AWAY UPON DEATH??? IT SHOULDNT.


RYANH...........THIS IS REALLY AMONG THE TOP 5 OF YOUR WORTHLESS, DYSLEXIC VIEWED POSTS. RIGHT UP THERE WITH THE ONE WHERE WE SHOULD RAISE OUR TAXES TO GIVE TO THE AFGHANS!!! COME ON MAN, GET A GRIP!!!


KAYNE

----i-agree-with-KAYNE-too-eVeN-though-he-|ike-dik

 

[Wombat]

I never said that it will happen, I'm just posing a hypothetical scenario that I deem desireable.

But maybe some bold state like Vermont or Massachusetts will stop forward and say..........."put that last will and testament down.....that money belongs to society after you're dead."

Fine, enjoy your money while your living, but after you're dead, that money should go back to where it came from-----society's hands.

Do you have any idea what would happen to the whole way of life. Most people would not save there money any more. People would die owing money instead of leaving money for someone they love. There really would be no need to "make your mark" in life if you could not leave your wealth to a loved one. (As big or little it may be) I see you said you would take family shit---well some people have very valuable family shit. Like businesses--diamonds-jewrls etc. All someone would have to do in your silly world is before they pass, purchase something of value and leave that to the loved ones.
Your just a silly rich kid with nothing more to do then to try to make yourself look like your so not one dimensional. Most people on here read right through you. Stop feeling guilty because you have some coin. No one cares and no one will hold it against you. peace

aaf

 

[JohnyJuice]

Ryan, every post you i read of yours makes me more and more angry. Why angry? Because i have proof of the incompetence among me. This one ranks high on the idiot meter though. This post makes me want to mangle you with a blunt object.

 

[Imnotdutch]

Why not just abolish inheritance altogether?.....espeically where the kids are concerned. Spouses have a role in building the inheritance sometimes so they can keep some.

If the kids knew that they werent going to get nadda from mommy and daddy they'd soon acquire a work ethic. Not to mention the fact that I'd like to see how those poor-little-rich-kids would compare to the rest of us if we started from the same level.

I think I'm about to go off on one so I'll stop now

Inheritance is not a constitutional right, it's only a right granted by individual states......Further, inheritance is expensive since its taxed, and by giving the very wealthy the right to inherit the nation's wealth becomes controlled by the many of the same families, generation after generation.

A truly capitalistic society should work for what it gets. Do third generation Rockefellers or third generation Kennedy's really work for what they've obtained? We know the answer. The great Tocqueville warned against dynastic wealth.

We should finally hear the call.......Allow proportional inheritance for minors and deserving spouses, but after a certain amount, the money should pour back into the hands of our great nation.

Sustaining true capitalism requires sustaining a work ethic. Much of the nation's wealthy have yet to recognize that ethic. Abolish inheritance!!!!

Ryan.

 

[WODIN]

I actually agree with the abolishment of inherentance.

In order to avoid people leaving large sums of debt behind you could cap there allowed debt accumulations at various ages. With the appropriate amounts of insurance to cover any possible life threatening events then a system of checks in balances through the free market could be put into place to help assure that peoples assets and debts are covered.

Further you could allow for the passing of living spaces etc based on the life style that the surviving family members are accumstomed to living. This would allow for the same basic function of leaving your mark as it were.

 

[RyanH]

To all the naysayers.......I STILL STAND BY EVERYTHING I'VE SAID.

First, the Chinese system of inheritance is perhaps the best in the world----it rewards those family members who actually contributed to the deceased person's life while ignoring those who don't. For example, in China, if Father X has daughter A and daughter B, and Daughter A contributes to her father while he is living but Daughter B does not, then Daughter A gets something but Daughter B gets nothing. Thus, rewarding hard work and diligence while penalizing laziness and lack of devotion.

Secondly, we should only tolerate inheritance when necessary. All property that we owned at death, should be sold and the proceeds paid to the United States government. There would be a few exceptoions, marital exemptions which would accue over the life of the marriage. Thus spouse could continue to get support. Decedents could also provide some money for their immediate lineal descendants, but that amount would depend on the descendents age.

Children fortunate enough to have been raised by wealthy parents should not be allowed the additional good fortune of inheriting their parent's property. Precluding them from their parent's money truly gives equal opportunity to all. Only orphans and widows should be allowed to benefit.

Sure some of you probably think this sounds communistic, but it wouldn't affect many of you. The fact of the matter is that few Americans are very wealthy, and few of you will ever be in the top 10% of the nation's wealthiest....so stop thinking that you will be.

Our nation has huge debts, our government needs that revenue.

Huge transfers of wealth have left large disparities in the distribution of wealth. Abolishing inheritance would reward hardwork while punishing fortunate birth.

AS DE TOCQUEVILLE ONCE WROTE......"WHAT IS MOST IMPORTANT FOR DEMOCRACY IS NOT THAT GREAT FORTUNES SHOULD NOT EXIST, BUT THAT GREAT FORTUNES SHOULD NOT REMAIN IN THE SAME HANDS. IN THAT WAY THERE ARE RICH MEN, BUT THEY DO NOT FORM A CLASS."

Thus, abolish inheritance!!!!!

Ryan.

 

[Sushi X]

what has the governemtn done to earn anyone's iheritance? taxed us to death? pissed off opec and raised gas prices(it took W to get them down)? c'mon name a reason. you said debt, it's their own fault for throwing money around like it's candy. c'mon ryan, try harder.

 

[MP5]

I love how the dems bitch because the Republicans support killing violent criminals that have taken an innocent life, yet they support killing babies that have not done shit to anyone. Show me that in the constitution.

 

[manny78]

Inheritance is not a constitutional right, it's only a right granted by individual states......Further, inheritance is expensive since its taxed, and by giving the very wealthy the right to inherit the nation's wealth becomes controlled by the many of the same families, generation after generation.

A truly capitalistic society should work for what it gets. Do third generation Rockefellers or third generation Kennedy's really work for what they've obtained? We know the answer. The great Tocqueville warned against dynastic wealth.

We should finally hear the call.......Allow proportional inheritance for minors and deserving spouses, but after a certain amount, the money should pour back into the hands of our great nation.

Sustaining true capitalism requires sustaining a work ethic. Much of the nation's wealthy have yet to recognize that ethic. Abolish inheritance!!!!

Ryan.

there's only one problem to your proposition: if things were like that then a rich who knew he would die soon would likely spend or put his money in some Banana country.

 

[Sushi X]

thanks for the karma mp, i'd give ya some but i'm all out.

lol, i checked my karma thing and someone gave me bad karma on strongchick's money/big corp thread and did not sign their name. what a little whinner, heh heh.

 

[MP5]

No problem, I give it when I can, usually I am tapped out of have given karka to someone to recently.

 

[gymtime]

Inheritance is not a constitutional right, it's only a right granted by individual states.......

A truly capitalistic society should work for what it gets......

Sustaining true capitalism requires sustaining a work ethic....

Ryan.

So I can assume you oppose welfare as well?

 

[RyanH]

Isn't that sweet? A karma exchange between MP5 and SushiX.

MP5, why do you continue to refer to fetuses as "human lives"....they simply aren't....Doctors and the United States Supreme Court has even said so. Many anti-choice simply want to stick their noses into a woman's body, if they cared so much about life the value of life they would't support captial punishment, the tobacco industry, and the NRA (one of the word's most legalized killers).

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

So I can assume you oppose welfare as well?

I opposed the old welfare system under both Presidents Reagan and Bush Sr. But, I support the bold welfare reform initiatives passed by President Clinton.

President Clinton put people back to work, the current Bush has them standing in unemployment lines, begging for government assistance while CEOs at large corporations live the high life.......

We can thank President Clinton for 'ENDING WELFARE AS WE KNEW IT"

 

[gymtime]

Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

I opposed the old welfare system under both Presidents Reagan and Bush Sr. But, I support the bold welfare reform initiatives passed by President Clinton.

President Clinton put people back to work, the current Bush has them standing in unemployment lines, begging for government assistance while CEOs at large corporations live the high life.......

We can thank President Clinton for 'ENDING WELFARE AS WE KNEW IT"

OK. I'll try this again. Let's just say welfare in the broadest sense of the term, systems aside. Do you oppose it as you do inheritance or not?

 

[RyanH]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

OK. I'll try this again. Let's just say welfare in the broadest sense of the term, systems aside. Do you oppose it as you do inheritance or not?

I believe, vigorously, that EVERY0NE should work for what he or she has gets....whether's it grades, money, or job promotions.

 

[gymtime]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

I believe, vigorously, that EVERY0NE should work for what he or she has gets....whether's it grades, money, or job promotions.

Well there goes your bid for democrat of the year.

 

[Warik]

First, the Chinese system of inheritance is perhaps the best in the world----it rewards those family members who actually contributed to the deceased person's life while ignoring those who don't. For example, in China, if Father X has daughter A and daughter B, and Daughter A contributes to her father while he is living but Daughter B does not, then Daughter A gets something but Daughter B gets nothing. Thus, rewarding hard work and diligence while penalizing laziness and lack of devotion.

Uh.

Same in the U.S.

If Daughter A contributes to her father's life and Daughter B spends her life drunk, drugged, and out late on weekends, the father does not leave her anything.

Can we say brain fart?

-Warik

 

[Warik]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

I believe, vigorously, that EVERY0NE should work for what he or she has gets....whether's it grades, money, or job promotions.

answer
the
fucking
question


DO YOU OPPOSE THE IDEA OF WELFARE IN GENERAL? (Check one)

[ ] Yes. I oppose the idea of welfare in general.
[ ] No. I do not oppose the idea of welfare in general.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

answer
the
fucking
question


DO YOU OPPOSE THE IDEA OF WELFARE IN GENERAL? (Check one)

[ ] Yes. I oppose the idea of welfare in general.
[ ] No. I do not oppose the idea of welfare in general.

its funny how he always disappears after he brainfarts himself into a coner.

 

[gymtime]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

answer
the
fucking
question


DO YOU OPPOSE THE IDEA OF WELFARE IN GENERAL? (Check one)

[ ] Yes. I oppose the idea of welfare in general.
[ ] No. I do not oppose the idea of welfare in general.

Good luck on this one man. I pretty much gave up.

 

[RyanH]

I believe only those deemed deserving should receive welfare, same with inheritance.

Why don't you explain how inheritance promotes your capitalistic notions of hard work.

The point to capitalism is that hard work should be rewarded, not birthright.

 

[Raghead Remover]

Ryan you truly are a misguided soul. If you eliminated inheritance one would not have any reason to leave any assets on hand with their expected demise due to the understanding it would all go to the government. This would end up with everyone hiding all the assets they have in their mattress (if the govt would let them keep it), or burying it in a treasure chest with an X marking the location. How would the banks and the economy feel about that.

Your logic does not compute....

 

[Sushi X]

awww, how sweet ryan came out of his closet to answer the question.

i will repeat, at conception there is life, life is viable, therefore the fetus is alive, making it viable. here's one for you, i don't want to stick my nose into a womans body, i'll leave that to another organ of mine, lol. i think it's our of hand that we give the woman the right to someone else's life or death, yet the same people are against capital punishment. it's purely hypocritical. the NRA is not to blame for the gun related deaths in this country, the sorry no good scum that pull the triggers are the ones to blame. the NRA works hard to educate people on gun safety and to teach people the proper way to use and store a gun. you libs seem to overlook that and focus on their efforts to keep guns in the hands of those who are law abiding people and have no record mentally or criminally. i do think once you are a criminal or a mentally unstable person you should'nt be near a gun but i stand by the NRA and 2nd amendment right activists out there. tobacco, don't get me going. it's not their fault people smoke two packs a day and die 20 years later from cancer or other respiratory problems. it's people's choice to smoke, if the componies stopped any and all advertising people would stlill know what company is what and go buy it anyway. let's be logical here, banning stuff does'nt mean people won't get it anyway. the black market is alive and well today much as it was 50 years ago. ryan, you seek more government control over things, that is what the communist do, their government controls almost every aspect of their lives.

it's time to stop blaming others ryan for your(not your's personally) woes and shortcomings and take some responsibility for it. welfare should be taken and given back to the reitred folks for whom it was originally intended for but some dem president decided to give it to lazy folks who won't work or have 10 kids. sure let me support your babies, i'll give up some of my civil liberities to do so, haha busted yet again libies. if a man does'nt work should he eat? if he can't work then that is one thing but a person who is able to work, physically and mentally able, then they should get off their duff and work. here's a news flash for you, i'm below the poverty line by about 300 bucks, can i get some government asst? no way. why? simple, i work and "make too much money". what a lame excuse. ah well, i give up on trying to get you to see the light ryan, live in your dark little corner, i'll let someone else enlighten you or try to. it's hard to work miracles, lol.

 

[BanMe]

Yeah, we should just give all inheritances to the United Scholarship Fund. That way any homie with a 2.0 avarage can go to college for free.

 

[OMEGA]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

I'd bloody well rather have my children have an inheritance than to leave it the bloody government! That's blood well right, governor! I'd much prefer my children to have houses they can blood right said Fred call their own rather than for Tony Blair to go out and buy another Tomahawk missile!

whats your deal????? are you really english?

I have never heard someone use bloody so many times?

 

[musclebrains]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

Good luck on this one man. I pretty much gave up.

It's an absurd question -- classic reduction to the either-or fallacy.

 

[musclebrains]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

whats your deal????? are you really english?

I have never heard someone use bloody so many times?

I'm bloody sure it's May on the bloody rag.

 

[gymtime]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

It's an absurd question -- classic reduction to the either-or fallacy.

I think it's a very fair question. To be opposed to inheritance on the basis that it is not earned money means that you must also be opposed to welfare under it's general definition of free money for people who are able to work but are not employed.

 

[natasan]

Inheritance is not a constitutional right, it's only a right granted by individual states......Further, inheritance is expensive since its taxed, and by giving the very wealthy the right to inherit the nation's wealth becomes controlled by the many of the same families, generation after generation.

I fear your tones are moving from Democratic liberalism to Democratic Socialism.

 

[musclebrains]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

I think it's a very fair question. To be opposed to inheritance on the basis that it is not earned money means that you must also be opposed to welfare under it's general definition of free money for people who are able to work but are not employed.

Well, if that's what welfare was, that might be a decent argument. But your "general definition" is pejorative. And by the way, the vast majority of people receiving government assistance DO work. This is one of the myths foisted on the public by conservatives.

Another is the bullcrap about "death taxes." The average American estate is NOT taxed, because the average American estate is small. The extremely wealthy have promoted the idea that there is a "death tax" when what there really is is a very heavy tax on very large estates for exactly the reason Ryan is advocating the end of inheritance. His position is not radical. It simply takes current thinking a step further.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

His position is not radical. It simply takes current thinking a step further.

i dont think its radical, i think its liberalism. qiut taking peoples money from them just because you think you know whats best for them.

i'd much rather take steps backwards.

 

[spongebob]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

Another is the bullcrap about "death taxes." The average American estate is NOT taxed, because the average American estate is small. The extremely wealthy have promoted the idea that there is a "death tax" when what there really is is a very heavy tax on very large estates

its the heaviest tax there is and 625000 is not a very large estate.

 

[Code]

Spoken like a man who has no progeny and doesn't plan on making more money than he can spend.

What do you propose happen to the money of hardworking people, hand it over the gov? As it is the money already gets taxed twice, once for income tax and again for estate taxes.

What do you propose happens to items willed to family, items that could be considered valuable (cars, houses etc?) Should we turn the houses into low income housing so crack whores can enjoy a higher standard of living??

 

[musclebrains]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

its the heaviest tax there is and 625000 is not a very large estate.

Among the total population, it most certainly is.

I do not favor ending inheritance and I don't think anyone needs to worry about that happening. Ending inheritance on the basis of the idea that it is unearned income feels way too Puritanical to me -- the infliction of a work ethic that violates a fairly basic impulse to make life a bit easier for those who follow you.

 

[RyanH]

Musclebrains is exactly right....most people aren't subject to the estate tax since their is an exemption for estates under 625,000, and the Republicans, have indeed, only termed it a "death tax" to brainwash the public that it's some sort of unfair tax---and as usual much of the American public bought right into their spin.

Surprised, of course not, since much of the American public hasn't read a book since high school or college...instead, many resort to television and glossy magazines to give them the "information" that they need.

Most Americans, Bob, don't have an estate over 625,000.

 

[gymtime]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

Well, if that's what welfare was, that might be a decent argument. But your "general definition" is pejorative. And by the way, the vast majority of people receiving government assistance DO work. This is one of the myths foisted on the public by conservatives.

Another is the bullcrap about "death taxes." The average American estate is NOT taxed, because the average American estate is small. The extremely wealthy have promoted the idea that there is a "death tax" when what there really is is a very heavy tax on very large estates for exactly the reason Ryan is advocating the end of inheritance. His position is not radical. It simply takes current thinking a step further.

Welfare is, in it's purest sense, "money for nothing" as is an inheritance. This is true whether the recipient works or not. I was simply asking RyanH if he was opposed to welfare in that aspect. He said he was after his usual amount of required prodding. The point is that I don't believe you can be opposed to inheritance based on the fact that it is not earned, and still approve of welfare.

 

[musclebrains]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Abolish INHERITANCE....!!!

Welfare is, in it's purest sense, "money for nothing" as is an inheritance. This is true whether the recipient works or not. I was simply asking RyanH if he was opposed to welfare in that aspect. He said he was after his usual amount of required prodding. The point is that I don't believe you can be opposed to inheritance based on the fact that it is not earned, and still approve of welfare.

No, it really isn't the same thing. Again, "welfare" is a pejorative term used to describe government assistance to the poor. It is not the same thing as a "grant," which more closely resembles an inheritance.

For example: Recipients of food stamps cannot cash them, cannot buy junk food, etc. People receiving aid to families with dependent children (or whatever moniker it goes under now) cannot spend the money any way they want. No government assistance is granted in perpetuity to the poor and all programs now insist that recipients work.

This is very different from an inheritance for obvious reasons. One -- government assistance -- involves the establishment of merit and the other does not necessarily.

 

[spongebob]

Most Americans, Bob, don't have an estate over 625,000.

your right, but i dont hold my opinions based on what americans have or dont have.
i know a few who do, (all blue collar workers)relatives and friends, my dad worked hard to have what he has and i dont think it should be taxed twice, at least not at the rate that the death tax allows. 37%-55% i believe. THATS REDICULOUS.

 

[spongebob]

typical ryan, penalize people who work hard and reward people who dont work (hard).

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Typical bullshit from the left.

You actually believe that I should have to forfeit my money over to the government after death.

Government taxation on inheritance, estates, and income is all bullshit.

Fuck the government. They should not get one damn cent form me unless I decide to purchase a good.

 

[Code]

Muscle,

In case you didn't know, you can buy drugs in Watts or Compton with Food Stamps. So yeah, it is money for nothing. In fact, in this case its Federally Distributed Drugs.

Say what you want about welfare, it was a well intended program to help the poor. But taxing those who died because they worked hard should be illegal.

We may as well convert to Gypsey Law, anything left alone for more than ten minutes is free game!

 

[musclebrains]

Muscle,

In case you didn't know, you can buy drugs in Watts or Compton with Food Stamps. So yeah, it is money for nothing. In fact, in this case its Federally Distributed Drugs.

Say what you want about welfare, it was a well intended program to help the poor. But taxing those who died because they worked hard should be illegal.

We may as well convert to Gypsey Law, anything left alone for more than ten minutes is free game!

The abuse of public assistance is a separate issue. I already said I don't favor ending inheritance but I do support heavy taxation of large estates. There's nothing unusual in that position..